Route Wcml: Crewe - Preston - Feedback Thread

On Xbox Series X CTD on first go, loading in screen. Service 1M33 with the class 86/4.
Weather- light clouds.

 

On PS5 Pro
Service 1P16 from Crewe to Preston
Blurry Textures a few minutes out from stopping at Hartford

 

The wing rail at the ends of track crossings aren't weathered

 

On Xbox Series X
So for all I’ve had CTD on loading screen for:
86/4 x2 services.
On foot at Crewe.

 

PS5 Pro
The TSR‘s don‘t display the speed.

 

Sorry, why did my last message get deleted? I reported blurry textures on my PS5 by the time I reached Weaver Junction, Crewe to Preston, morning, 86/4, light clouds. Thank you.

 

PS5 Pro
Service 1011 Glasgow to Poole in the 86/4.
Suffered from Blurry textures not long after leaving Preston. Sometimes they wouldn't appear until the camera was zoomed in and other times they were constant.

 

Xbox Series X. Out of video memory warning. Crash to desktop. Tried twice. Both times spawning in on foot at Crewe.

No other games were running in the background.

 

Same. It's literally unplayable on the Series X. I've refunded as I'm tired of the constant issues with this game.

 

PS5 - Game crash
Tried to drive 1Z54 Crewe - Glasgow railtour with the 47/3 BR Blue and the game crashed about 10 minutes into the run.
Was using cam 3 (external) at the time.
Weather cloudy and safety systems active.

 

Xbox series x:

So far I've managed to complete 6P81 in the class 20 and 1S61 in the class 87 and i haven't yet had any crashes of blurry textures. Some stuttering when leaving Crewe which seemed to settle down a bit into the service.

I love the transition from countryside to industrial as you're heading past the fiddlers ferry area!


I've also managed to spawn on foot at Crewe and load into a class 86 service without any trouble. For people having issues on the Xbox have your tried doing a complete reboot of the console and killing of anything else in the background in quick resume?

No idea if that will help but may be worth a try?

 

Conductor mode doesn't work properly, tried a service with a Pacer on the Newton-le-Willows to Warrington section. No passengers boarding, so no tickets to check. Also, the driver takes off at Earlestown before I could open the doors. Could complete the service, but with 0 points. PS5.

 

As played on XSX, all layers except PFT and CL5:

The final stop for passenger services does not have a listed "stop at location" time or an "unload passengers" time. This observed on Journey services 1V72 and 1S61, and Timetable services 1V72 and 1M33, all for Class 86. As we can see on 1M33, however, intermediate stops do have "stop at location" and "load passengers" times correctly listed. The effect is to make nonstop Preston-Crewe services essentially untimed.

Blurry textures are noted to be present from the default in-cab view that can be seen on passing trains the longer you drive a particular service. Using the external camera, blurry textures can eventually be seen on scenery as well, again dependent on how far along you are with a particular service. I would say that the blurriness is quicker to develop and more noticeable than on Shap. I did not, however, notice any blurriness of in-cab textures while driving.

I did experience CTD on final approach to Crewe while driving Journey service 1V72 and also CTD immediately upon starting Journey service 1S61. Upon restarting the game both services worked (luckily I had saved 1V72 just before Crewe anyway).

The route layout and timetable is really top-notch. For XSX I would recommend completely restarting the game for every service you want to drive on this route and saving often, until such a time as the CTD issues might be addressed. I would say that this route is so good that it is still worth buying even with these issues, but of course that is a matter for each to decide for themselves.

 

Ran the same service again once I'd restarted the game and did get further.
Made it all the way to Warrington and was about half way down the platform to come to a stop and not only did it crash/freeze, it forced the PS5 to completely shut down. Only difference this time was that I was in the cab of the 47/3.
All layers are active on this route (666 services).

I had the frame rate counter on during this second run and in quite a lot of places it was in the red.

PS5 refused to boot up using the controller and it took several attempts to start it up using the power button on the console.

 

PS5 Pro
Ran service 1A26 in a 86/2 from Preston to Crewe. Blurry textures came when I got to Wigan Springs in cloudy weather. Saved, went out and back in in clear weather. Blurry textures arriving in Crewe.

Now running 6P81 in a 47/3 and blurry textures appeared all of a sudden near Newton-le-Willows.

No crashes as yet, but compared to Blaxkpool and Preston-Carlisle, optimisation seems to have fallen down unfortunatley I think consoles will never really run this game properly anymore.

EDIT: Completed 6P81 now. The blurry textures cleared up around Wigan, and returned approaching Leyland. Then cleared up again arriving in Preston.

 

Also noted on XSX, the cab announcements are barely audible, even with the "Cab Announcements" slider set to 100%. Of course the problem of cab announcements being very quiet, even at max settings, is something that has previously been noted on other routes as well.

 

@Trainiac

Why would the sections of track be weathered there?

Anyone who doesn’t work for the railways should know the following.
For example, if you see loose sections of track lying next to a main line, or even if they’re stored somewhere, the tracks are always that rust-coloured – but those are actually new tracks that have never been used.

And as soon as such tracks are laid, they become shinier and shinier over time as trains roll over them; those are the tracks that are in use.

 

They are talking about the sections I’ve highlighted in red which shouldn’t be shiny at all.

 

Why cant dtg optimise crewe station on any route . Any job that has crewe in it you are guaranteed it will crash. On xbox I have tried a at least 4 jobs now and crashes every time i try and get into crewe. This with 30 layers disabled custom weather to clear and playing in HD with volumetric fog off. It's ruining a really good route. DTG are you gonna sort this out we are fed up of this and rubbish excuses you give us.

 

We're working on finding a cause and a fix don't worry.

Last thing we want is for people not to be able to enjoy our route.

 

It is a really good i love these kind of routes.

 

Complete Blur fest from 46 minutes into my stream various services.

PS5 Standard
Early Access Key
Streaming via Playstation
From 46 minutes in (or slightly before) services were coming past with blurry textures The first service I was in Arpley sidings waiting time (and the road) for a run to Newton Le Willows empty HEA's.
The blurry textures stayed with me for the rest of the stream.
Also Low frame rates.
All services were run with varying degree of clouds, no rain, no wind. With the FPS counter shown on screen. All listed static stock layers (8 of them) were disabled in the layer selection menu. I have all routes and add ons for TSW on the PS5. All 60 layers were present and active before I disabled 8 of the Static consist layers.



Hentis

 

Base PS5

Seems full vibration feedback is missing when adjusting the brake (L2/L1) on the class 86. Tried some other trains and no issues.

Route itself is really well done so far, but admittedly the performance is quite poor considering even other JT routes that run perfectly well on the PS5.

(Running the weather in foggy seems to be a temporary workaround..)

 

Driving 2D35 - Manchester Victoria to Chester.
After Earlestown the AWS triggers and can't be turned off.

Resetting doesn't help, the pacer keeps coming to a halt.
The AWS in question was before signal WN546.

 

The Crewe-Preston mastery thumbnail in the menu on the dovetail live website actually shows the Birmingham-Crewe thumbnail.

 

Blur fest on PS5. Far worse than other JT routes.

DTG seriously need to get on top of this.

 

Horn vice a bell at a green signal on the Up Line I'm guessing two miles or so south of Sutton Weaver girder bridges, 19 miles shown left to Crewe on the HUD.

The timetable needs an urgent fix to add the final destination arrival times - how on earth was this not spotted on test/QA or was a wrong build uploaded?

Performance, well it's a bit juddery particularly around Wigan and Warrington but I'll give 50% benefit of the doubt down to potato PC, 25% down to building shaders on first run and 25% down to being a bit overstuffed with hi poly veg assets. Goes without saying the sound squelching is an inevitable by product of that. I need a better PC and DTG need to get on top of the smoothness issues to cure that.

This route also indicates why we need neutral sections to appear on the HUD as I've already had two catch we out, the locations are not as memorable as on Shap.

Overall so far quite enjoyable, the main line run is not the bore fest I had feared as there are plenty of significant gradient changes and speed limits to keep things interesting.

Anyhow, let's carry on into Crewe.

 

Really odd the arrival times don't show.

 

PS5 Pro
When jumping to other places (fast travel) it usually crashes, 2x out of 10 it was ok

 

One other aesthetic point which I hope can be considered as feedback. It’s a real shame now it’s been proven possible by the Czech route builders, we didn’t get some clatter running over the big metal over bridges or rumble across the masonry viaducts. Any chance this can be added retrospectively, please?

 

Ps5 issue
question
Can’t use the hop marker from the Blackpool Preston version or the Carlisle to Preston over to the new route

it comes up in the locked part even tho I own the new route

I can go on the new route at Preston and spawn over to the other 2 routes but not the other way round

See images

 

PC Player - Steam.

Class 20 Railtour 1Z49 the 09:49 departure, drove the mile down the branch line towards Preston, and then the entire game crashed.

 

PC Player - Steam.

Class 20 Railtour 1Z49 the 09:49 departure, same service, got into Preston station and then the entire game crashed.

 

Came here to post the same thing... on Crewe to Preston I can route hop from Preston to WCMLoS but when I try and do it the other way at Preston on the Preston/Carlisle route it says that Crewe is locked.

Also on standard PS5

 

1P19 Signal passed at danger when loading in at Crewe. PS5.

 

Pretty low fps across the route, feels like it hasn't been optimised as well as recent routes.
Timetable wise, wondering if it can be setup so the Pacer and 101 can inter sub, at the moment the Pacer is assigned to all the Earlstown runs and the 101 to the Preston - Leyland hops.

 

PC Player - Steam

Class 20 6P81 10:04 departure ran for 20mins then 18 miles outside Preston the entire game crashed.

Asset streaming on this route appears to be very intensive, so far I would say too much.

 

So far so good on Xbox series X. I think I've done about 5 runs now with the class 20 and 87. Fingers crossed i haven't yet had any issues with blurry textures or a crash and think this might become on of my favourite routes.

The only issue I've encountered is forgetting the brakes on the class 20 take forever to kick on and are pretty rubbish so may have driven through a few red signals by mistake. That's a me problem though and not a route problem!

 

And another one... If you run with AWS active loading into a save game triggers an immediate brake application - this is on the Class 86/2 not tested with the 86/4 or 87 but assume the same. This is an issue which goes back to the original release of the Shap route and the Class 86 add on and never addressed.

 

Why hell are the stop markers when shunting so close to red lights like a few yards . The brakes ain't that great and it won't register unless you dead on the target. JT Benedict

 

Recently finished 6 timetabled services and pretty pleased so far apart from an AWS issue and no destination timings.

FPS was really good up until the last service where I had some initial loading blur for a few seconds, but that could be down to game having been on for a few hours straight and I'm also streaming a film on the pc via a second screen.

JT make routes I like not just because it's a favourite era, they give you so much variety. I enjoyed racing non-stop Crewe to Preston in an 87, but I really enjoyed driving a pair of 20s on a coal service. I still haven't explored loads of the branches yet and I'll save the 47/3 for tomorrow.

One thing I really need is a neutral zones map. Thankfully the guy who did the Preston-Carlisle one will be making another for this route.

 

Experiencing a lot of lagging near the Warrington Bank Quay area. Three instances where the game froze for a second or two... playing on PS5 with some layers disabled.

 

Definitely feels like it could have done with a few more weeks to iron out the noticeable issues. Did the 'Out with a bang' scenario, and it blurred at Warrington and didn't recover until Crewe E.M.D

 

I am starting to wonder if it was rushed out to meet deadlines for content release before a potential TSW7 run up embargo.

So far it's a nice enough route but I would say good, 7/10, not great with all the wrinkles. I finished my run into Crewe with no further issues so have now decided to take on the big RPG Merry Go Round scenario, see how it fares away from the main line and electric traction.

 

On PS5, it's a 6 for me atm. Easily JTs worst route of the 3, albeit with potential

 

This route is a stunner. My only day-one purchase this year, straight from JT. It's going to take a while to explore all the nooks and crannies. Almost (almost) brought a tear to my eye to see Crewe exactly as I remember it in the late 80s (bit clean, mind you).

Near-constant 60fps for me on PC during a run from Crewe up to Preston, although as others have noted the asset streaming (aka massive stutter syndrome) does seem pretty severe on this route and causes a 50% drop in framerate when it happens. I've only done two runs so far though, so I'll see if it settles down over time as the game builds up its shader cache and will report back either way.

Asset streaming has always affected all platforms, it's a UE4 thing.

Trolley / bench having an identity crisis on P5 at Crewe though

 

1S61, Crewe to Preston, a total blur fest, throughout most of the route. Base PS5