Not to duplicate nor replace the existing thread (below), I ask you focus your discussion there as Dovetail will most certainly be watching it - also so this thread isn't locked for duplication. https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/general-discussion-is-gone.98468/ This a poll, to make your voices far more obvious rather than lost in a multi-page thread. Two Questions: A) Should the General Discussion forum be deleted? B) If it is to be deleted, should it be Archived? (Even if you vote No to question A, vote in this one.) While I personally think it's a travesty for it to be deleted - it would be infinitely worse if the content already posted was deleted. The amount of discussions, information and other things (such as my World Cup tournaments, for example) that would be lost would be astronomical.
Me, and I’m guessing a LOT of other members of the forums have voted no to it being deleted. we need to show DTG, that we as a community won’t stand for it.
So far after 10 minutes. the poll to remove general discussion; Ayes to the right: 15 noes to the left: 1 A very high majority is predicted here.
I've already let my opinions be known on other threads in quite some detail so won't be adding anymore... All I can say is a hard line no and a complete objection to the the proposal.
Sorry thats not true when you looking in the results! What’s happening here on the forum is: “I have an opinion, so others must agree with it.” But that’s clearly not how it works. You’re entitled to your opinion, fine but keep it to yourself. I think it’s good that the forum is being cleaned up. Far too often, new topics are opened about the same subjects, and that makes everything unclear. It’s better if people respond to existing topics so everyone can read along, instead of me having to scroll through 80 different threads to find an answer. So yes, it’s sensible that DTG is taking action now. And yes, that’s my own opinion, not someone else’s.
I don’t think you have a full scale of what is happening here. DTG are REMOVING the ability to speak about the game in general. it’s deeply concerning. The ability to talk about issues in the game as a whole GONE Years of history and communications with third parties GONE the enough is enough thread, the longest thread on the discussion channel and on the forums. About 4 years worth of work. GONE
They are equally entitled to express that view much like you are with yours. 'keeping it to yourself' is kind of the point at hand here... No. This is a forum and general discussion is probably the most important part of this forum and community which is nearly a decade old and probably the most engaging and interesting part of the forum despite its niggles at times. If you dip your toes in the water, you'll see the general consensus is completely opposed to the proposition for completely valid reasons. I don't disagree with DTGs statement about forum etiquette as I made a thread calling for it to improve it myself recently... But to just basically come across as "it's to hard to moderate lets just abolish it in its entirety" from DTG is a nuclear option to say the very least.
Of course I’m aware of that, and I’m not against it. That whole “general discussion” topic is basically just a chatbox with no depth and nothing you can easily look back on. I think some renewal is simply necessary. Far too often it’s just complaining and pointless discussions that frequently end up requiring moderation because people don’t know how to behave.
DTG's "cleaning up" as you describe it is more akin to using a hydrogen bomb to clean your room. It technically does the job but does a lot more.
I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but DTG wants to move away from this forum in its current form. It’s full of people who often don’t treat each other respectfully, and unfortunately moderation is needed far too often something the DTG staff would rather not be involved in. (They’re all on Discord.) That’s not because they find this place so enjoyable. The atmosphere is at times downright hostile, and there’s far too much conflict because people don’t respect each other’s opinions. As far as I’m concerned, the forum can be reduced to a minimum to address this, and it seems DTG is finally taking action.
How much do they pay you? Considering all your posts, I simply refuse to believe you're running around all these threads for free, wasting your time just to defend them.
Well I'll say this now as a prediction if this proposal does go ahead... It will all be in vein, because for all this forums niggles and issues, it's places like general discussion that have always shaped the game for the better and never to its detriment. As far as I'm concerned if it goes, the game will deteriorate further and it will have a knock on effect for accountability that DTG has and will stifle and mute conversations to an absolute bare minimum.
This is exactly the reason why the forum is being minimized. Reactions like this are hostile and contribute nothing except creating conflict. Not even ten messages in and we’re already at the point I was referring to. I wish you all the best with your protest. I’m out of here.
I'm not trying to create conflict. I'm trying to understand why you're running around in every thread defending DTG's actions, even though the entire forum is against them. Maybe you're just a master troll who's incredibly good at disguising yourself as a fanboy. But you're everywhere.
It's been a few hours since the announcement and I'll be honest while saying I still can't comprehend what just happened. Where am I suppose to ask the technical questions about locomotives, trackside infrastructure, operating practices ? Where am I to discuss about all the tidbits of info. on real railways, heritage railways, historic railways, model trains and stuff like that ? And yes, discord exists but it does not classify or manage the information similar to the forum. PS: Seriously though, looks like DTG decided to drop a bombshell as if there wasn't enough chaos in the world already.
Sorry, but what’s so hostile about that? I reckon you’re one of those who doesn’t even properly understand what ‘hostile’ means when it’s posted. But when you post certain comments yourself, you come across as a wannabe moderator.
There are plenty of other places to talk about it. I wouldn't choose the enough is enough thread as a good example, it is possibly an example of why this forum is going. It is a thread of the same people going round and round in circles saying the same thing and posting memes, not sure how much "work" went into it.
More exclamation points, please. If DTG were really unhappy with me and those who "contributing to the demise of the forum", I would already be in read-only mode or banned. But somehow I'm still here. Strange, right? If you were a moderator, no one would even utter a word against the godly creators of this forum. No criticism, just adoration. I would vote for you to be a moderator, that would be funny.
If you read all my posts you'll see I'm often critical. If I was a moderator, not that I'd want such a role, I would be balanced, something certain posters on here certainly aren't.
Eeeekkkkkkk... Look it's a hot day, and feelings are running high. It's not worth having personal grievances or insulting each other. It's counter productive to the discussion and isn't going help the either for or against arguments about the decision to close General Discussion. Up until now it's remained relatively tame and respectful, I'd rather it not change and dilute anyone's input. I have no issue with anyone myself, but we are all adults here so it's best just leaving mud slinging out of the equation. It's a hot day we all have a bit of frustration in us, but we have to know when to take a back seat.
But then why do you come here and attack people who don't want this forum to be closed? I am not addressing you personally, theorganist. It seems to me that you are the ones creating an unpleasant environment here. If people come with constructive criticism, they communicate constructively. If people come with aggressive, unfounded criticism, they will be immediately reined in by others. The forum, even without you fanboyz, is capable of showing to those, who are presumptuous, their place. But you come and start venting your vitriol on those who communicate calmly. You provoke it yourself and then blame others for it. If you don't like my manner of communication on this forum, well, that's because I used to be just as polite and calm. Until the very moment I realized that the developers don't give a damn about our feedback or our bug reports. They're not going to fix anything, they're just creating the illusion that our feedback is important so we don't clog up the entire forum with it, just a few threads. And I'll continue to consider the feedback forum completely useless until developers start posting on it and until we see the most annoying bugs get fixed. Look at the Morristown Line - passengers on low platforms don't interact with the trains. It's a bug from the deluxe EA version. Is anyone fixing it? No! They don't care!
Given there are now six threads broadly based around the same thing to do with forum changes, kind of proves the point that its not all that needed.
Sorry, what?! This is totally unrepresentative, because the people who don’t want it are the ones making the most noise, while the people who are fine with it don’t have much to say. So no, it’s not a majority in any way. The complainers are always at the front shouting the loudest, that’s how it always goes here. The ones with the biggest mouths think they’re automatically right. Do a reality check on yourself, I’d say!!
Hey folks, just making a note to keep the conversation civil and post a constructive comment instead of attacking each other please! Thanks, y'all. (I'm not closing this, to be clear)
