Upcoming Release Bnsf Gp60m & Gp60b - Coming Soon!

Well, I guess we'll see if Reppo's GP60 can fix HIS's reputation or not after the Santa Fe pack.....

 

Another day one purchase for me

 

FINALLY! can't wait

 

I want a few more details before buying it (what layers, look at the "new" timetable, and a look around the cab, etc), but it looks decent so far. The big question I have off the bat is how they are handling the B units. Are they a package deal, or are there both options for each service?
I'd guess the GP 60 would singly take on any SD 40 duties (since they have basically the same traction capability, just a bit more horsepower) and they're going to run together for the most part on stand-ins for the ES44 runs because that's about twice the traction of an SD-40.
You just aren't going to pull an ES44 consist with a single GP 60! =-)
I can see it being a fun alternative to the GEVO.
I also wonder what the layering possibilities for other routes (even accidentally) might turn out to be.

 

Actually it has 800 more horsepower so its a good amount of extra power. the SD40-2 is better at hauling heavy drag freight at slow speeds due to higher weight (adhesion) and more axles (more traction motors = less amperage per motor = less heat production at low speeds). the gp60 is better at hauling fast freight at smaller slopes . the sd40-2 has 31% more tractive effort at slow speeds but the gp60 will outperform the sd40-2 at higher speeds by a good amount (where it can use all its higher power).

Es44ac outperforms both by a good amount in both low and high speeds (more adhesion, better wheel slip control, more power).

I also will wait and see feedback after launch and then decide. i hope for a full engineroom and more simulation of most gauges, given the patch for the santa fe in cajon pass , has massively improved the dlc, due to the feedback, and now i can say it is of higher quality than the average dlc

 

Granted you are broadly correct, but that's kind of my point. On Cajon Pass where it's set it's all about extreme grades, not speed. The grades combined with the curves means it's a sub-optimal choices for that route. The extra horsepower are irrelevant. In game terms, you'll only get roughly SD-40 level performance out of a GP-60 on Cajon Pass and it'd take two of them to equal an ES44 because all that really matters is traction for most of the map.
I know there's nothing better that's flatter for it to run on in TSW (San Bernadino is slow and Antelope isn't really BNSF territory) so they kinda HAVE to use Cajon Pass for now if they want to run a BNSF loco. Working with what's in the game after all.

 

What does layer onto is just cajon pass and sanbardino.

 

That's what I read. I don't know that it can layer anywhere else intentionally. There weren't a lot of GP 60s made and BNSF trackage is only on those two routes. I think BNSF may use the UP route on occasion on Antelope with permission, but it's not their track.
If there's 1:1 substitution (for example you can use GP 60s wherever you see SD 40s) then it might "accidentally" get more layers, like when the BNSF SD-40 accidentally layers onto a few of the Sand Patch SD-40 timetable runs, but those are the only two routes where it would be intentionally added.

 

Accidentally Foreign Power on more routes is nice. It brings a bit more variety. We don't need the Fun Police, that caused that we've lost the UP layer at Sand Patch Grade completely.

 

Agreed.
Happy accidents can be fun.
Too much realism starts to remove the fun.
Imagine if games involved all the waiting around many of us do at our jobs.
A whole lot of waiting around doing nothing is also "realistic" on the railway, as in most jobs.
Doesn't mean that'd make it more "fun." =-)

 

I hope there is more switching jobs in this pack . Cause santa fe pack barely any.

 

Yeah, the ATSF pack was underwhelming. The locos were okay and liveries were nice, but I expected a bit...more. More scenarios in any case. Not saying "bad" per se, or unfair but just sorta watered down.

 

I'd rather save that for the free roam mode, sorry I'm such a purist though.

In reality, as least in modern times, these things would only be working around Kaiser Yard in San Bernardino.

An early BNSF era would probably see them more on the mainline, but we really dont have the stock or paint to cover that.

The ATSF GP60M, which is supposed to come later, would probably be more beneficial with the ATSF pack for normal mainline runs than a modern BNSF GP60M paired with modern power.

But then again one could always used free roam to somewhat make something different akin to the model railroad phrase of "its my railroad i can run whatever I want"

EDIT: Now thinking about it, a standard cab GP60 pack would give more bang for your buck, since all 4 major US railroads in game have them on roster.

 

There is a simple solution. Deactivate the unrealistic layers from the timetable and you have the pure stuff.

 

But then you would remove the GP60M completely, even for services that are yard duty. So its a no win situation. Unlike the F7 which only had mainline runs and are easy to get rid of.

 

Something from reality: You can't have it all.

 

Someone made a typo in today's article...

Pretty sure the Warbonnet livery isnt coming with this pack.

 

Just watched the preview and mew only showed 2 jobs on cajon pass. I thought they would shown something on sanbardino route aswel.

 

Thanks the video on YouTube didn't go o. That long only 90 mins.

 

Nice to have mid DPU's at Cajon Pass now too.

 

This looks really nice; I'll probably get it day one, if I can. I'm more anxious about the timetable than the train itself, since we saw a lot of it in the stream. My eternal hope for more locals and all that.

 

Does anyone know if this just slots into the current timetable on sanbardino route or does create a new timetable.

 

New timetable.
It's all in the video.

 

I watch the video i must of missed that thanks.

 

can't find it on xbox too

 

I normally buy them through the xbox app and remote install it. I find it straight away on there.

 

https://www.xbox.com/en-gb/games/store/train-sim-world-6-bnsf-gp60m-gp60b/9pcftpwk89d0

 

Thanks

 

dtg_jan In the spirit of keeping the forums easier to manage, is it time to start locking 'coming soon' threads like these once an 'out now' thread is created? Or alternatively, keep discussion in the one thread and change the thread title at each stage? Personally I think the latter is better, it means users don't have to search across multiple threads for information.

 

Isnt this another reskin?

 

It would be helpful that once a product is released a link is posted to find it, then would be buyers didn’t have to frantically search stores and be unable find whats new.

l couldn’t find it so posted a request for a link. When l found the product l deleted my post and posted a link.

 

These are fast trains going up cajon pass and I can keep to the speed limit with a full load.

 

no, since we've never had a GP60M in TSW

 

I could have sworn I heard that it will be also available on Gen8 consoles during the stream, but it seems it itn't. What a confusing situation.

 

Im sure when they released the 1st article it said gen 8 as well. Now I just read and says gen 9 only.

 

More recycled sounds from Sand Patch. I'd expected a American 3rd party studio do better

 

is that why it shows up as "C40-8W" in the overview menu?

 

No, from what I understand, is that they copied the simugraph from the Dash 8 and put it into the GP60 with some minor changes.

 

Unfortunate. There goes my interest. Thanks for sharing.

 

Lazy sloppy work for a cash grab. Yeah I'll save my 17 bucks

 

this raises the million-dollar question: on which existing model will the southern pacific GP35 be based?

 

GP39

 

but we don't have and never have had a GP39 in TSW

 

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It's the C-40W model

 

Im not surprised tbh glad i avoided it

 

What audio was reused?

 

I think watching SPs video, he said something like the engine audio was from the Class 66 I think? (Same thing used with the SD70ACe IIRC too) But not sure if anything is from SPG.