Train Sim World 7 - Discussion

What?!

I explicitly stated at the beginning of that thread that all must be treated as speculation…i complied with what you said…

you even stated on that thread that you were fine with it existing, so long as it remained that way. Why the sudden change of mind?


EDIT: I’ve seen the messages from candace on discord, and the main reason for the deletion is that other mods may not agree to what I said and it has to be an agreeing thing by all. So, so far, understood.

 

Even after the negotiations?

 

I asked permission to make that thread on discord, and there was an agreement that as long as it remained speculation, it would be allowed, however, now that the thread is deleted, somethings changed.

 

Can't you just call it a speculation thread and leave out the word "leak" entirely? You can still post pictures like the one, along with "I've found this, which leads me to speculate...". "Leak", which implies something official, never has to be used at all.

 

As an aside, if I recall quite a few of us speculated last year the UK route in the bundle would be Riviera Line and were proved correct. That was entirely without awareness of or leaking any privileged or inside information. In fact, I even quipped that Matt P was probably busy doing a virtual walk along the sea wall, long before anything was announced. And DTG chose the best course of action - they didn’t respond in any way to the speculation even if, privately, they wondered how we had got the bullseye.

What was unacceptable was the previous year when person(s) on the beta team leaked the WCMLS as being the bundle route, but that comes down to poor vetting of testers by DTG and not having a sufficiently rigorous NDA.

 

This is speculation right, and not necessarily based in fact.... unless you're on beta and seen the NDA? Are you a mole vern?

 

Realistically, if DTG were to make a Tri-Rail route, they'd quite literally use both the Rotems and Bombardier coaches since:
1. Rotems and Bombardiers are the only passenger cars that run on Tri-Rail in present day as the DMU's have been retired since 2012.
2. Rotems and Bombardiers are already in TSW to begin with, so it would be easier to re-use rollingstock from other routes (this applies to the F40PH as well, albiet they'd have to kitbash either the Caltrain or MBTA model.) It would actually be really easy to make in this case because of that but I'd like to see some different type of US rollingstock for once in TSW7 and actually "expect the unexpected."

 

I always thought myself more of a rabbit, must be reading Watership Down all those years ago. Then again, I have been known to rabbit on a bit.

Anyhow I have it on absolutely no good authority whatsoever, that the UK route in the bundle will have either Inverness or Fort William in the title and be set prior to 1984, preferably 1978…

 

OldVern - the Bigwig of the forums?

 

Say, wasn't there a thread made for "leaks"? Did the moderation remove it? Sucks if so.

 

My speculation is that the TSW7 UK route is Airedale and Wharfdale Lines with the BR Class 333 as the main EMU for the route. The deluxe edition loco could be the Class 331.

in addition to this i reckon we have a Northern Class 158 on the way too. Created by a third party.

Airedale and Wharfdale is one of the most requested UK lines in game currently, and it would be a pleasure to see in TSW

 

Sadly I don't have any leaks and speculations. I Just wanna see Seattle - Lakewood or Seattle - Everett with Sounder, Cascades and freight. I hope they have other licenses besides Metrolink, MBTA, MTA or NJT.

 

I'm wondering and speculating of course, if those could be being developed by a third party opposed to DTG in-house...

And also in speculation if we did get a Northern 158 would that be for a entirely separate route, lets say for example Settle to Carlisle?

 

Then hopefully at some point a new ECML timetable can be made (maybe with an IC 225) and the out-of-place-but-it's-better-than-nothing 323 AI at Doncaster on the Leeds stoppers can be replaced

 

as long as core routes are interesting, I am going to get it... hopefully we get more Austria, preferrably Vienna area... or, since we got Czech stuff finally, maybe a Czech route with some major hub like Brno or Prague and a full safety system implementation route (with actual MIREL)

edit: maybe a ComfortJet with Vectron 230 in the front and Vectrain cab car in the back? ))

 

I’ve reached my limit with new routes unless they’re of significant interest to me. The texture blurring is too much to turn a blind eye to now, plus the botched rollout of the Class 90 didn’t leave me with much confidence. Unless TSW7 is an ECML extension and/or a 91, it’s a base package upgrade alone for me (assuming that’s been offered again).

 

Oh I'd just love to get Ireland in the game. It would obviously not come as a core route but I'd just love to see it. And as probably the only country with systems so similar to the UK, I feel like British people would enjoy them too. Even a Northern Irish route (considering its technically part of the UK) would suffice. On the UK side, I would LOVE ECML out of Kings Cross or any route with a FLIRT.

 

Montana Hi-line for TSW 7! Need more freight, poor Cajon Pass is already getting buried under one hundred DLC.

 

Anything Northern that includes a 195 and 331....or something from Wales with the 197! (getting tired of subbing these in my TTs with 158s and 323 :P )

 

Especially if it has 001’s, 071’s, 141’s and back to back 121’s. Or the old NIR DEMU’s!

 

On a different tack and pure wild speculation, I wonder if TSW7 will see the arrival of Multiplayer? I know they have previously said they can’t or won’t do it, but the abandoned Metro Rivals may have offered a test bed and they know that SimRail remains fairly popular, at least in its home territory, for both driving and signalling. Might also have been a casual factor (as the RAIB put it!) in the decision to condense the forums - given a DTG hosted MP server would need to be monitored by one or more CM’s to ensure fair and sensible play.

 

There’s more than one of us, glad of the publicity. Hopefully it makes a difference.

 

I wonder if the core UK route could be the Wherry lines. A mystery someone or persons are making it. Its often requested although might not be a headliner route. If not I suspect it will be something on the ECML.

 

Sadly that's my worst Nightmare. only the most modern stuff for me. I would be fond of an occasional 071 though

 

If it was Wherry lines I hope it was set in the 90s as currently only the class 755 operates on the line but back in the day you had sprinters, 101 and regional railways class 47s which would be interesting if it was made.

 

Oh definitely. Or at least when it was still semaphore signalled. I wouldn't object to a 156 either. But yes with class 101's or even going back to the 105's would be even better. Sadly unlikely though.

 

I’d love to see a 156, beyond that I’d really like to get some more Regional Railways experiences so I’d certainly take a Wherry Lines route in that era.

That said, the very limited details we do have on that route seems like it would be a third party add-on, so unlikely it would be a core route.

In general I think we can expect more secondary lines going forward, seems like one of the ways they want to combat console issues is by making lighter route experiences & whilst on one hand I think that’s the wrong way to go about it all, the other hand is that I find TSW has been well oversaturated with mainline experiences the last couple of years. It’ll be nice to get back to some local & regional running.

 

Yes I suspect it will be a third party most likely but I did wonder if it could be Rivet as they have the 170 already, if it was set in the era they ran.

I do wonder if it could be the next Firefly route.

 

I’d go with that providing it contains the Keighley extension to Oxonhope which is the KWVR!

 

When have DTG announced the new version in previous years? Are we due shortly for an announcement or a few months off yet?

 

~One month before release. Expect it from mid to late August

 

Except that last year TSW6 was admitted to be a thing in early July, when the August Dovetail Direct was announced.

 

Right after TSW5 released. I mean everyone knew, they just pretended they didn’t know so as not to upset DTG, since they were preparing a presentation.
But as far as I remember, we only received information about the contents towards the end of August. The roadmap simply had "3 routes and 3 locos" without any details.

 

Amtrak Cascades would be nice. Good scenery.

 

I'm American and I find I just don't enjoy the American routes as much. I originally got the game to play German Dosto cabs because I've always liked them but in the end I enjoy British train lines the most. They are kind of quaint and quirky and it's a nice feeling.

I like the feeling the Dutch and Czech lines give too. Of in game routes I've been to Germany, England, the Netherlands and Czechia IRL and I think England gives the best "vibes" or "feel" for trains. All of the in game content for those areas look and feel like the real thing pretty well. The Czech scenery is implemented very well in the DLC for it.

I haven't played France in game yet but I have been there IRL and it is a pretty nice feeling/look/vibe on the trains. France from Chambery to Annecy could be a really nice one. Italy is nice on trains from what I've seen IRL, a costal Italian route like Genoa to Camogli could be amazing.

In the end I am still waiting for several train routes in England to come on sale.

 

We're close to 7 games into this series...I don't think that's happening. Even if it was, the game in it's current condition wouldn't really work for it.

 

Multiplayer is a monumental challenge to do, it would be pretty much like a brain transplant (weird comparison but you get the point) where the entire core of the game would have to be reworked and entirely different to fit it.

and with how much of a mess the core is already, it would be like ripping wires out of an electrical box, not knowing which one did which.

so, as long as the core remains utterly broken like this, multiplayer will never happen.

 

Multiplayer is something that needs to be done from the beginning of development to be done properly really. I don’t see TSW getting it, but its eventual successor having multiplayer wouldn’t be beyond the realms of possibility.

As long as the single player experience remains the core focus, I don’t mind multiplayer existing. I doubt I’d use it much myself though.

 

Oh I don’t really think for a moment TSW in its existing form would get MP, nor is it something many of us, myself included, would be interested in. But that doesn’t mean DTG or even at the PullUp level aren’t looking at the likes of SimRail or Run 8 and asking the EP, “Why can’t our train sim do that?”

 

Even if a game starts with single player only and initially gets new content and updates focused on single player, there may be later an issue with addition of multiplayer some of other studios have fallen into. Once the multiplayer part gets released into public, almost every following update is multiplayer focused, leaving a feeling that the single player got abandoned. For some of games I played, it took a couple of years once the single player experience got back into the focus (likely once multiplayer lost most of its momentum and people who stayed with the game didn't have others to play with at the same time). Well, it could be different with train simulators, as I based my experience on a couple of sandbox/survival building games in continuous development, but is it really? (by taking for example how it is/was with SimRail)

 

Indeed. The SimRail thread that was in OT and now lost demonstrated how the emphasis shifted from MP to give more focus on the SP experience, though the Alpha Save game is still not 100% effective. And unless you are on a busy server (and perhaps signalling/despatching) MP never added greatly to the experience other than sounding the horn as you pass another live player. I mean, if it came to TSW or an offshoot game then I’d give it a try but my musings were probably more 2 + 2 = 7 than likely to really happen.