Route Wcml: Crewe - Preston - Feedback Thread

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  1. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks but I lied im still playing this route cause I love it. Just give me self a heart attack when im using them brakes.
     
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    maccagee#4924 Well-Known Member

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    Would someone be able to look into this Ben? Really love the extra paths but no loading times makes writing scenarios difficult.
     
  3. Phil47569

    Phil47569 Well-Known Member

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    Ahh thanks for the info, for every day I'd be out on an air braked train I'd have done six on vacuum and sadly it's been two years since I was on the footplate (due to life getting in the way) though that should be changing soon :) I'd forgot that it's not the same as the speedup, it would be one of them things used maybe once or twice a day if that, and it was usually just because I'd have overdone it slightly, joys of pres and 8 carriage trains really. I still maintain that direct vac is the future ;)

    Due to the crazy heat last week (it hit 43c in my "man cave") so I didn't get anywhere near as much running as I'd intended to but did notice improvements in the braking/releasing, mostly with the HAA's and I think that was because I just had to remind myself that it's a long rake and takes a while for the brakes to come on at the back and longer to come off then drive accordingly and it seemed to work.

    I'm using a keyboard so will just be extra careful when releasing to not overcharge.

    Thanks again :)
     
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  4. 77_trains

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    PS5. Pretty smooth runs with the class 86 other than some blurry textures but I can't complete a single timetable service with the class 20. I've tried 4 times now and just when I'm about to reach the end of the service the game crashes
     
  5. WaveyDavey

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    I seem to be having a repeat issue at the likes of WBQ and WNW where by if you are at the location for more than a couple of minutes fps drops from 60fps down to 15-20fps and does not improve unless you save, exit to main menu and then load the save at which point fps is back up where it should be. I think it’s possibly relates to when an AI service arrives at the location but it isn’t just a usual stutter or fps drop for a few seconds it becomes permanent until the save and reload.

    I’ve just done the Thunderbird scenario and had to save and reload three times (WBQ, WNW and then WBQ again) due to the fps dropping to 15-20fps.



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  6. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    Ok so when you start a service with the 47 most of the time the brakes are set to passenger air brake. Now would I have to change accordingly to what actually driving. OldVern hi mate would I have to change the brakes myself.
     
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  7. marcsharp2

    marcsharp2 Well-Known Member

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    I hope the brakes are sorted soon, as the 47/3 and 20s brakes have the consistency of Wet Pasta when on freight trains. I've spadded several times as a result.

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  8. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    Me too lol
     
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  9. dtlaw

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    For freight trains with a maximum speed of 60 mph or below, that switch would be set to Goods for the appropriate brake type. Trains with a maximum speed above 60 mph would use Passenger. In practice I believe that means only the container freight services on the Just Trains routes use Passenger, and all other freights use Goods.
     
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  10. Lamplight

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    Speaking of, I’ve tried looking, but I haven’t managed to find a G/P-selector on the freight cars like I’m used to from Germany/continental Europe. Were British cars locked to either G or P without possible adjustment?
     
  11. Phil47569

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    There shouldn't be any on the wagons, the brake selector on the locomotive will tell the locomotive to adjust the brake timings accordingly, it applies/releases the brakes faster or slower depending upon the setting :)
     
  12. Phil47569

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    Some odd behaviour noticed earlier today on the "coffins", the vestibules are blocked/clogged with passengers. It starts at the loco end of the train and stops randomly a few carriages in, see attached photos (please note that images 2 & 3 are out of order so it should be both blocked, one blocked/one clear, both clear). I've not been able to check if this behaviour is on any other route nor rolling stock yet as this was just a quick play but happened on runs between Warrington and Earlestown in both directions.
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  13. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    Hope there is a fix coming soon brakes are just terrible on the 47 , 20 and 08.
     
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  14. DominusEdwardius

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    UK wagons (well historical wagons) don't generally have GP valves, they're usually fixed for life in a single brake mode. Usually loose coupled wagons with instanters like HAA/HEA/PGA/PCA/TEA were fixed to goods timing. Close coupled wagons like the FGA were fixed to Passenger timing.

    The idea being since its loose coupled if you were on P timing you could very easily get severe run in shocks as the brakes at the front of the train come on rapidly while those at the back have barely reacted causing the back to career into the front. The G timing being slow, gradually applies the brakes giving time for the brake pipe to drop the entire length of the train so the brakes come on along the length of the train roughly evenly.

    reminder being UK G timing is around 20 seconds for 20-28 seconds for the brake to come to full force, and 30-45 seconds to come off again. While P timing is 2-5 seconds and 15-20 seconds for release
     
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  15. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    JT Benedict hi did you say there was a fix for the 86 headlights ive 5 night jobs using different varieties of 86. And there all so dark could not see a thing.
     
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    Lamplight Well-Known Member

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    Thanks a bunch. That clarifies things for me :)
     
  17. Margam

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    JT Could we have a report of how you are getting on now that we are two weeks on from release please?

    My main problem is in the Crewe area, the north end of the station to be specific which seems to be a memory sink. I've tried coming in from the north on the WCML, off the Chester line, passing through from the south via the station and on the independent lines and game stalls or crashes every time. Outside this area is fine, not even had much problems at Warrington but not tried out that area much to be honest.

    When it stalls looking at memory use it's about 90% or just above.

    I've tried reducing quality, turning off all layers, uninstalling all UK DLC, clearing cache and had no improvement. Tried running the introduction about 15 times now and crashes during the info on the 86 every time.

    I'm on a PC on Steam
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    Have all DLC for layers except Peak Forest.

    Been looking forward to this DLC for so long, just want to use it - looks brilliant.
     
  18. Phil47569

    Phil47569 Well-Known Member

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    Just for the sake of sharing specs and experience, hoping to help narrow things down :)

    Intel i9 3.20Ghz
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    TSW running on external USB SSD 1TB

    All UK DLC installed except Mildmay, ATS90, 802GBR, HST Farewell, Athena ECML Railtour.

    I have recently uninstalled all non-UK DLC but haven't noticed a difference in performance.

    I'm having no issues memory wise or FPS wise aside from the very occasional stutter when loading in a new area, particularly at speed. The only "blurry" textures I am experiencing are from DTG's optimisations on a recent patch as it affects other routes too, that the textures are not hi-rez until you are very close to them/zoomed in on them.

    Again, just wanted to share specs to see if we can narrow things down :)
     
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  19. JT Benedict

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    We're putting together a list of things that we'll want to look into and don't worry brakes of the wagons are up there.

    The brakes of the locomotives themselves should be fine though.
     
  20. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah if driving lite loco brakes are OK as you would expect.
     
  21. JT Benedict

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    When it comes to the patch we've only been looking at memory, crashing and performance issues rather than issues with things like the timetable so we can try and get these major fixes to everyone as quickly as possible.

    The things we've done should help memory wise as we've mainly reduced texture sizes on things like Normal and Mixed maps, especially on the rolling stock both included in the route and used commonly (Like the 87 and Mk3's) and we've managed to get some nice savings overall from doing so.
    This will also help with the blurries issue which is mainly common on consoles as we've reduced the size of textures loading into memory hopefully meaning that the allocation is in a much nicer way.

    Alongside doing all the memory optimisations we've also been reducing draw calls throughout and will be intending on doing more for a future patch that will come out after this one.
     
  22. marcsharp2

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    I'm hoping we console users won't see a reduction in services as a result.
     

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