Nürnberg - Ingolstadt (and Feucht) Discussion Threa

It's not as if you're forced to use the safety systems either, apart from a couple American routes

 

To get out of a SIFA emergency break, you can just press the Sifa-Button and the breaking will stop. Wait for the breakpipe to return to 5 bar, set the throttle to zero to get out of possible traction lock and you're fine again.
With a PZB emergency break you'll have to come to a full stand and then use the PZB Frei button and do the other steps, too and you're ready to go again.

 

that works for non-expert locos... with expert 101, you only get out of Sifa zw. if you go very fast and are lucky aka the brakes on carriages manage to release before complete stop, which rarely happens... if you drive expert 101 + non-expert carriages (aka substitution sometimes), then it is possible, with fully expert consist, you can bail only rarely ... and that is even if you react very fast and go like 160 or more kph... I tested it and discussed it in length and exhausting detail with ppl much more knowledgeable than me - IRL Sifa zw. is supposed to save the train from a potentially dangerous situation, so in terms of penalty/emergency braking, it is almost like PZB zw.

like, yeah, if you get Sifa penalty and acknowledge it quickly afterwards, the brakes start releasing, but rarely they release completely (and unlock traction lock) while still in motion

it is simple ... but you forget situations which mustnt happen IRL and shouldnt happen when in-game driving - like when you are sleepy... to me it often happened when I had little to no sleep and I got this like microsleep and bam, Sifa zw. ... non-expert locos/trains are forgiving, but when driving expert 101 (havent tried 145, but I am guessing it is like that also), it is brutal

 

You use the lens option in Google Chrome and it translates the text on the image. You can select the original language or let it detect what it is and chose what language you want translated to. Works great. I bust keep the phone open to Chrome while driving and when I get an alarm , grab the phone and read the message

 

Every UK TSW player just reflexively pressed the Acknowledge Sifa/AWS button

 

Sifa does not warn you of a hazard or anything of that sort.

Sifa is there so that the train driver can acknowledge Sifa; because if a train driver were to lose consciousness, for example, they would be unable to acknowledge Sifa and an emergency brake would then be applied.

1. Safety control system (on the railway)

• Purpose: Monitors the train driver’s ability to act.

• Function: The driver must press a button or operate a pedal at regular intervals (usually every 30 seconds).

• Procedure in the event of a failure: If there is no response, the system issues a visual and audible warning. If the driver still does not respond, the Sifa triggers an automatic emergency braking manoeuvre to bring the train to a halt.

 

Yeah that's true, probably also depending own break modes, settings ect. it's just not a "must" condition to come to a full halt, but doesn't mean you won't anyway.

But my point was more that it is certainly not necessary to quit and restart your whole run because of it liek someone claimed earlier.

 

I hope there will be a manual or at least a few pages on how to solve train faults on the 403. Had to run half a service with a faulty left MFD. So no info about LZB and PZB. So did a manual approach towards te station. No idea how to fix this...

 

well, if you drive passenger, which usually means the strongest and most rapid brake modes, then it is almost guaranteed halt ... I even tried 160 and 200 kph, and out of tens of attempts, successful in-motion bailouts were less than fingers on my hand lol

 

I know all this - by dangerous situation I meant exactly that driver's inability to drive the train, be it this or that ... as for the rest, it is very similar to getting PZB zw.... PZB zw. you cant bail out of, as for Sifa, if you "wake up" fast, it starts releasing the brakes... but that takes time, and usually still means that the train gets to a halt, or to a crawl

 

Theres a MFD Switch top right next to the MFD. There you disable the faulty one and get an 'arrow' on the bottom of the active screen to switch between both pages.

 

So how is the performance on ps5?

 

Good framerate, only light blurs seen. All layers active.

 

ok, just noticed sth unusual and cant tell if this is more realistic than other locos/trains or a bug - as usual, instead of just enjoying the route, I would test some basic stuff lol... in this case Sifa

first, the icon on the display appears, then first audible warning, then second audible warning, then third, at which if you still dont react, shortly you get Sifa Zwangsbremsung (which can be bailed out of)


this issue that I am about to describe happens with BR 403, the new version - the throttle should not lock until after third warning aka when you get Zwangsbremsung, BUT with this train, if you acknowledge between second and third audible warning, you dont get Zwangsbremsung, but the throttle still locks (sometimes accompanied by audible "Storung")... so you dont get penalty brakes, but throttle still locks and you have to reset it... it happens in most cases that I described (sometimes not, but that could be in case you acknowledge relatively shortly after second audible warning)

so the question is - is this just more realistic than it used to be (aka it is finally done prototypically) or is this a bug?

before you start saying sth like "oh well, you should periodically press Q" or "you should just acknowledge when you see icon / get first audible warning" I say - duh, I know ... but I want my safety systems functioning properly aka punishing me only when it is intended behavior... thats why there are three audible warnings before it slaps you fully in the face with brakes

 

second issue / bug with 403 - if you turn on AFB, it will apply some brake even with brakes released, as is usual when train is standing still... BUT if you have brake on RELEASED and apply power, it will let you take power (doors will close automatically around 10 kph)... shouldnt there be like traction lock active until you close the doors?

 

minor signage error

here it should be 13 (direction out of Nurnberg) as HUD shows 130 kph

 

Yes, full layers, light blurring...... I'll try to remove some less important layers, but at least two layers with Dostos will need to be turned off and the BR 101 layer is also crowded, if I see correctly only one train at about 6:00 in Nuremberg, so I removed that too

 

some more - when AFB was braking under LZB, sometimes it would lock the throttle (forcing me to then reset throttle to take power, similar bug happened in the past with 411)

edit (will have to test this out again cos it happened too fast for me to notice everything): also, cant tell for sure if fault was with me or the game, but when you are about to exit LZB, Ende starts flashing, then you press Acknowledge and usually the ENDE goes full yellow square, here just the audible Beeinflussung stopped... so now I cant tell if that was the cause of penalty brake or me going too fast... will have to repeat the service to check that out since I forgot to save

edit no.2 after finishing service: when the end of LZB is near, it starts flashing ENDE, when PZB/LZB release button is pressed, it just turns solid, so that is correct; the AFB bug is present, however

 

PS5
IC728 (ICE3) Journey mode
I don't know if it's some kind of LZB mistake or if I missed the reason, but the entire section between Ingolstadt Nord and Nuremberg I was only allowed to drive at 200 km/h ....... I didn't find any train in front of me, I didn't even overtake anyone anywhere ... so I don't know

 

I have had the same problem, first with IC528 and also with IC728 I tested after reading your comment. I wonder if it has to do with the magnetic brakes. After trying several times both services without any success (max speed 200 kph), I cut out the magnetic brakes and activated them again while setting up the train. When reaching the beginning of the 300 kph track, the brake mode changed and the maximum speed rose to 300 kph instead of 200 kph with the reduced brake capacity.

PS5 - no expert mode

 

what exactly is the brake mode on ICE3? I noticed that if I hovered mouse over the tip of one of the levers, it said Brake mode, but had no idea if it did anything or how can I tell if it did or not

 

I used the screen on the right. You can change the brake settings, but besides cutting them out and in, I have no idea what I am doing. I assume without the full option, you cannot drive at 300 kph. A manual would be fine….

 

also, not sure if this is affected by expert setting being on in my case, but I noticed 403 comes with safety systems already on