Uk Freight Route: Yorkshire And Nottinghamshire

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  1. KatiaBLR

    KatiaBLR Well-Known Member

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    Hey!

    So here is a suggestion for something a little different, maybe a little obscure, but something that is unlike any other DLC we've ever had, and while a long shot this is a route that could add something very unique, rather different and overall a really enjoyable and new driving experience.

    The Route:

    Harworth Colliery - Maltby Colliery - Shireoaks - Worksop - Retford - Cottam Power Station - West Burton Power Station - Gainsborough Lea Road

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    The Services:

    Freight:

    Multiple services per day, in both directions, between:

    Harworth Colliery - Cottam Power Station
    Harworth Colliery - West Burton Power Station
    Maltby Colliery - Cottam Power Station
    Maltby Colliery - West Burton Power Station

    Passenger:

    Minimum of one train per hour, in both directions, between:

    Shireoaks - Gainsborough Lea Road (calling at: Worksop & Retford)


    Landmarks:

    Harworth Colliery:

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    Maltby Colliery:

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    West Burton & Cottam Power Stations:

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    Worksop Station:

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    Retford Low Level Station:

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    Retford Low Level Station (with the ECML line at Retford above):
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    Gainsborough Lea Road:

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    Brookhouse Viaduct:

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    Trains Included:

    Class 66 (in either EWS livery, Freightliner livery, or both - for all freight services)

    Class 66 seen here on the Harworth Colliery Branch leaving Harworth Colliery:
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    ANY COMBINATION OF THE FOLLOWING: Class 170, Class 158, Class 150, Class 142 (in Northern Rail livery - for driveable passenger services)
    Class 158 (in current East Midlands livery - for AI services at Worksop)
    Class 801 (in current LNER livery - for AI services at Retford High Level Station)


    Video of trains at Maltby (with LOTS OF VARIETY!):





    Cab ride view of the single line:




    Freight Train passing Retford Low Level from Maltby Colliery to West Burton Power Station:




    Freight Train on the hilly single line section of the South Yorkshire Joint Line at Brookhouse Viaduct:





    So overall, this would be the first ever DLC for the game that has a primary focus on UK freight operations, with passenger services added too as secondary.

    The main aim of the route is to deliver coal from Harworth and Maltby Collieries, to the Power Stations at West Burton and Cottam, and driving those trains back empty again.

    The passenger services would me made up of Sheffield to Lincoln Northern Rail services (playable here between Shireoaks and Gainsborough Lea Road), and there would be hourly AI services at Worksop (Class 158 EMR) and a complete AI set of services on the ECML at Retford (in the same way there is ECML AI present on the Suffragette line)


    Why this route? Well on the surface it may seem a little niche, but it actually not only has something for everyone, but actually diversifies the game by creating the very first UK route that has a primary focus on freight.

    There are single line and double line operatons, quiet scenic countryside and busy mainline running where the route is shared between freight and passenger operations.

    The route would be set in the recent history (2000's to late 2010's), and although there is a slight time difference between this route at it's 21st century peak and the Class 801 Azuma's being in play, i see no harm in combining the two to create a busier route.

    Both Maltby Colliery and Harworth Colliery are now closed (the line remains open at Maltby for through freight services to this day, whereas the Harworth branch is now completely ripped up)

    Cottam Power station closed a few years ago (the tracks are still present but it is quickly being reclaimed by nature!) and West Burton closed relatively recenty

    However before then, this route was a major player in coal freight in the region, and seeing it represented in TSW in its former glory could be a really welcome addition to the game.

    Whilst this route being created is a total long shot, maybe just maybe it could one day become a reality! DTG JD DTG Harry DTG Alex LucaZone JT Benedict

    Katia
     
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  2. jedi247

    jedi247 Well-Known Member

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    This might be the perfect route to introduce a Class 60, 69, or 70 to the game.
     
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    Or a 56!
     
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  4. KatiaBLR

    KatiaBLR Well-Known Member

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    i'd definitely be happy with this route being set in a slightly older era to accomodate these new traction types, for me this route is such a unique opportunity to really focus on UK freight (with passenger services still present of course) that it would work really well with these older style freight locos.

    also by setting it in that era, the passenger services between Shireoaks and Gainsborough Lea Road can be operated by the Class 142 pacer, which obviously we already have in game thanks to BPO and would be a good excuse to involve the pacer in a new route!
     
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  5. Class 66 Operator

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    Thats absolutly fantastic work and would be better to expand the route and would certainly add a vast amount of freight traffic

    Local collieries that also deliver to west burton power station and cottam power station

    All of which use
    Derbyshire & Lincolnshire and East Coast rail LD & ECR it's the Nottinghamshire mid joint line joins onto the robin hoodline at shirebrook junction


    Welbeck
    Clipstone
    Shirebrook
    Warsop
    Warsop Vale
    Mansfield woodhouse
    Clown
    Bolsover. Coal light
     
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    Day 1 thats mine
     
  7. Class 66 Operator

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    This route is a great idea because it can be joined / expanded with the freight from my idea which can be expanded from the current Midland mainline














    I'm from the east midlands
    In Nottinghamshire
    United Kingdom



    Set in the era
    from 1964 to 2010





    Based mainly around the Eastmidlands of Nottinghamshire a very well know area for coal mining + we have great country side & farmland & what better way to share that with our fellow train enthusiasts than to hope that Dove tail gaming gets to work on this fantastic project.


    More routes is always good,, I just really want someone to make the routes from my area Eastmidlands Nottinghamshire because of the beautiful scenery here & the great rail history in the area also we have a 5 track main line running through Chesterfield station & Double track running through Mansfield & shirebrook That then joins into the main coal line that goes past Welbeck Colliery junction & under peafield bridge it would be good to be able to understand how the trains run better in the local area with the vast amount of countryside & bridges from Victorian times .
    with lots of different bridges and scenery water ways unique stations along the route








    Local collieries

    All of which use
    Derbyshire & Lincolnshire and East Coast rail LD & ECR it's the Nottinghamshire mid joint line joins onto the robin hoodline at shirebrook junction


    Welbeck
    Clipstone
    Shirebrook
    Warsop
    Warsop Vale
    Mansfield woodhouse
    Clown
    Bolsover. Coal light



    Land Marks

    Welbeck Colliery

    Clipstone Colliery

    Shirebrook Colliery

    Shirebrook signal box

    Clifts and canyon

    Peafield bridge

    West burton power station

    Cottam powerstation


    Set in the era
    from 1964 to 2010



    Mainline Freight Locomotive Classes
    • Class 20 ("Choppers"): Commonly worked in pairs (frequently coupled nose-to-nose) during the 1960s through the 1990s to handle heavy MGR coal rakes.

    • Class 37: Often used in pairs to haul Welbeck’s coal services, particularly on long-distance routes like the Welbeck-to-Northfleet cement works run.

    • Class 47: A ubiquitous mainline class that frequently took over MGR trains at Toton Yard or worked directly from the pit to Trent Valley power stations.

    • Class 56: Introduced in the late 1970s, these heavy freight locomotives became the absolute backbone of Welbeck’s coal operations for decades.

    • Class 58 ("Bone"): Specially built for coal traffic in the 1980s, these regularly serviced the Nottinghamshire coalfield lines.

    • Class 60: Took over heavy coal duties from the early 1990s onward under British Rail and later EWS.

    • Class 66: The dominant post-privatisation diesel locomotive that hauled the final coal trains out of Welbeck up until the pit's closure in 2010.




    Shunters and Industrial Locomotives
    • Class 08: The standard British Rail diesel shunter used for minor trip freights, wagon positioning, and clearing "crippled" (damaged) wagons near the junction.

    • NCB Industrial Shunters: Inside the colliery gates, the National Coal Board (and later UK Coal) operated private industrial shunters to move wagons under the screens. This included Sentinel 4-wheel diesel shunters and remnants of steam tank locomotives (such as Peckett 0-4-0STs) in the very early years of this timeframe.








    Passenger and Excursion Classes
    While primarily a freight line, occasional enthusiast railtours and industrial specials visited the Welbeck branch:
    • First-Generation DMUs (Classes 104, 110, or 120): Used in multi-car formations for specific enthusiast tours (such as the Branch Line Society itineraries) traversing the colliery branch lines in the late 1980s.




    Between 1964 and 2010, the passenger train classes that operated between Mansfield and Nottingham changed dramatically due to a 31-year total gap in passenger services.
    Following the Beeching cuts, Mansfield became the largest town in Britain without a passenger railway station. Regular services did not return until the phased opening of the Robin Hood Line in the 1990s.




    The specific passenger train classes that ran during each active era are detailed below.





    1964: The Final British Rail Steam Era

    Before services were withdrawn on October 10, 1964, regular local passenger trains between Nottingham Midland and Mansfield Town were primarily hauled by steam locomotives
    • Fowler 4F & Stanier 8F Classes: Primarily freight and coal engines, but occasionally subbed onto local passenger services.

    • Ex-LT&SR Threepenny Bit (Tilbury Tanks): Heavily utilized for local passenger hauling in the Nottinghamshire/Mansfield area just prior to closure.



    1964 – 1995: The Passenger Closure Gap

    During this 31-year period, no passenger train classes ran through Mansfield. The line was strictly used for freight and coal traffic (utilizing diesel classes like the Class 20, 31, 47, 56, and 58)




    1995 – 2010: The Robin Hood Line Era


    Regular passenger services were restored to Mansfield on November 20, 1995, under British Rail (shortly before privatization) and were later operated by Central Trains and East Midlands Trains. The routes were completely dominated by Diesel Multiple Units (DMUs):



    • Class 150 "Sprinter": Utilized during the initial reopening period in 1995/1996 for the return of local services.


    • Class 156 "Super Sprinter": The absolute backbone of the Robin Hood Line for the majority of this era, handling daily commuter traffic between Nottingham, Mansfield, and Worksop.

    • Class 158 "Express Sprinter": Regularly stepped in for secondary and longer-distance services across Nottinghamshire.


    • Class 170 "Turbostar": Introduced by Central Trains around 1999–2000, these units brought a more modern, air-conditioned service to the Mansfield-Nottingham corridor through 2010









    I would like to see a wider expansion of United Kingdom routes with new routes added and existing routes expanded

    A class 56 & 58 would be good to see

    More railways going over bridges and under bridges and by resivours and thru rock canyons and passing thru the middle of town above everything would make a great view from the Locomotive cab
    You can find this on the robin hoodline and more which would make a nice overlay or possibly expansion with the current East Midlands route Derby to Nottingham

    There are 3 separate mainlines in the East Midlands are

    One goes thru chesterfield


    One goes thru shirebrook from Nottingham part of the robin hoodline



    The other one goes past welbeck colliery junction and is the part of the Derbyshire & Lincolnshire and East Coast rail LD & ECR it's the Nottinghamshire mid joint line joins onto the robin hoodline at shirebrook junction


    Shirebrook also has a signal box



    Some unique scenarios to the area would be nice ie larger scope on coal and mining

    Also taking items or picking up items from W.H Davis wagon works in shirebrook

    If not possible the route would be nice to have I know a lot will enjoy it by what I've heard and there's a lot wanting to see the robin hoodline


    With vast farm land and small towns and villages in-between and some viaducts with waterways and bridges for the Locomotive to pass under and over and a unique signal box at the start of a rock canyon there's certainly plenty to catch the eye on the robin hoodline and surrounding areas






    xxxx Some features and stuff / Towns villages + xxxx

    Track Maintenance
    Tampers
    Rail grinders
    HST Measurement Train
    MPV Track cleaner
    Track replacement / repair

    Would be good if when say reach level 100 you can maintain the rail world..

    Network movement & Ballast loading unloading ..










    Location & routes

    Cottam power station
    Welbeck colliery
    Clipstone colliery
    Thorsby colliery
    Cemex
    Buxton aggregate

    Nottinghamshire
    Derbyshire
    Chesterfield
    Shirebrook
    Mansfield
    Woodhouse
    Warsop
    Warsop vale
    Meden vale
    Peafield bridge
    Lincoln
    Lincolnshire
    Newark
    W.H Davis Langwith
    Immingham
    Hull
    Southampton
    Toton yard
    Doncaster
    Barrow hill
    Fox low junction
    Welbeck colliery junction





    robin Hood line route if you can add your information here that would be great so we can get as much information as possible in one place ..
    Class 56 load haul was running down to Welbeck Colliery before GBRF & Freightliner before GBRf Sometimes you would get a rare rail freight class 58 these were around the times the load haul was about a lot & then they suddenly vanished & EWS 66 was king of the line Freightliner was pretty quickly joined though..

    Twin Ews class 37 where regularly up & down the mainline under Pea field bridge.. on Pea field road Warsop


    Class 37 mainline was also regular







    Robin Hood Line & Ld & Ecr / East Coast Rail


    yes very much same i would like a lot more freight i would like nothing more than to go to a yard pick up my loco collect hoppers then get coal from different colleries and deliver to different power stations


    Then return back to yard at end of shift

    welbeck colliery to cottam power station
    then
    welbeck colliery to west burton powerstation
    - Then Clipstone colliery to west burton
    then Clipstone colliery to cottam power station
    each run x9 as one job
     
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    Perfection
     
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  9. Class 66 Operator

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    This will be the perfect route to introduce


    Locomotives :

    Class 56 Load haul

    Class 58 Rail freight red stripe / EWS / Mainline / coal sector

    Class 60 coal sector / Ews / & Ews British steel for all routes involving steel

    Class 66 Freightliner / GBRF new liveries

    Class 37 Mainline / Ews




    wagons :

    Wagon type MGR HAA


    BYA / HTA 100-Ton Bogie Coal Hoppers
    [ EWS ]
    [ silver Freightliner heavy haul ]
    [ silver GBRF ]
     

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