Long Island Railroad Network

The lower level not being included, is because it would complicate things as far as scenario creation. Placement of trains, with overlapping tracks on the upper level. Then there's the problem over whether the camera would even allow you too freely roam the lower level. Path finding on the 2D map would certainly be a different beast altogether.

Personally, I'm not all that concerned for the lack of a lower level, as there is quite a number of tracks implemented in the first place. I would like to see more scenarios where the emerging lower level tracks are being used to give the idea that there are services utilizing it.

If there's ever another route to be made, hopefully, proper gradients are used. And better, proper lighting in the station. As GCT looking like a whole candle lit cave.

 

I mean, if one were to make the entire station and then using the shadow tools to remove the excess light / rain, it could be plausible. The only issue I would see however would be platforms on other levels that overlap each other on the map. In terms of LIRR GCT then I don't see a point unless it was actually completed. Another thing that I also had a thought about would be how the dark territories would be simulated regarding Ai (yes I know that the remainder of the Montauk was signaled in 2017). Perhaps invisible signals would be used?

 

That part. It's already complicated with just the one level, with all of the switches. But if they were somehow able to sort of make a way for Lower level diagrams to be separated into, IDK, sub-inset 2D diagrams, if I'm making any sense here.. But talking about the Depth of a project that is ESA, being a whopping 140 (14 Stories) below ground, That's pretty deep. Not to mention it's also going to be a double level station on its own.

 

You can have one of those drop down bars and click between GCT level one and GCT level two.

 

That could be a possibility, although I personally think that would require a few core game updates to add that in.

 

Can any body explain why US routes are not replicated to what they actually look in reality. You can take for example "Altoona" yard. Any body can check the scenary of Altoona on youtube. And every body knows how it looks in "Horse shoe curve" route. Why US routes are so poorly worked out.When we drive in US routes , like HS curve,North Jersy coastline,NS coal district,soldier summit and many more it looks like we driving on a HO scale train model.When people expend their money they want an equal entertainment in return.

 

Keep in mind that Altoona has had several real-life layout changes since the target era of the 1950s. The most major one was Penn Central's removal of the #3 Main between Pittsburgh and Harrisburg, but there have been other changes such as the Altoona Transportation Center replacing the old shed, and the vast majority of the old PRR position light signals being taken down. Case in point - a book I have on the railroad operations of Altoona details what is now CP-SLOPE in the summer of 1980 and the summer of 2000. The black-and-white one is the current alignment.
In my opinion, the DTG-produced US routes are the same level of quality as the German and UK ones. I think that the North Jersey Coast Line one of the better US-based routes they have done, followed up closely by New York-New Haven. My favorite all-time route has to be the Racetrack - Aurora to Chicago though, it has that touch that only a third party creator can give a route.

 

What is the point in making a route of 1950s environment (when I think freights were run mostly on steam) in 2016 when same route is evolved to a much different look and with modern signalling systems at present.

 

The point is almost like having a model railroad - you can pick and choose an era that suits you. I myself have a layout set in the mid 1970s with early Conrail and Amtrak loosely based on the line over Horseshoe Curve. It acts almost as a time machine - the route may not exist like it is now, or it may be gone entirely (I'm looking at you, Dr. Beeching) but you can still replicate what it would have looked like in, say, 1965 or in 2005. I like a variety of eras, but I'd kill if someone did a proper Erie Lackawanna route in the 60s with rolling stock to match. There's a ton of people who prefer to run older trains, like Broomwagon or Cat, and Train Simulator allows people to do just that.

 

Hmm this conversation is getting much off topic... nothing you’re talking about has anything remotely related to LIRR for Train Simulator.

 

Fair enough, I suppose. More on topic, the LIRR for TSW is something I'm really looking forward to. Hopefully with the creation tools, we can expect to see some more Long Island content from the community.

 

That would be nice

 

Well, it appears that they're here, but I'm still unaware, what lines (or segments) are no included in the game?

 

Port Jefferson,ronkonkoma,Babylon,Port Washington,Greenport,Montauk,west Hempstead and Long Beach.

 

Now, that an M7 variant has been announced for the upcoming Hudson Line, and even though we have LIRR in TSW.. I think there is still some hope that we can still see this route made for TS. With the fact that they have obviously used the NYC/sunnyside/hellsgate area as a starting point for two standalone routes, who's to say that LIRR for TS isn't a possibility. They've built assets that could very be put to greater use for a possible route going east. They've already got the M7 in both Variants, so it certainly isn't out of their reach to produce such a route, or network that would hopefully be recreated to a larger extent than it was in TSW.

 

So, breathing some life into this long-buried, still requested route/network proposal. With the recent release of the long-awaited M2/4's. There is hope that the M3/A's will be brought into TS, as the equipment share a lot of the similarities of one another. While an LIRR route has existed officially in a Train Sim for the past year and change. I still heavily advocate its presence in TS1 form, because as stated numerous times throughout this thread, it's the only resident missing from Penn Station, in every version/release. There's so much potential for this route to be made, and add loads of variety into TS1, as the network in itself provides a plethora of various service patterns, with the many branches throughout its network.

While the route looks beautiful in all of TSW's fidelity. It's a dead route... It just doesn't feel busy as it should be. The route is limited as far as DTG is willing to go with route building and the low amount of equipment. With having a variant of an M7, and an earlier M series equipment, and the apparent license that DTG and their affiliates are granted, it would be great for them to expand on the network, while they still have the opportunity to do so, as it is unclear, how long they have the permission to do so. As far as Penn Station in TS1, they never have to base another route with it after. But also hope they do it better, as far as platform height. Correct third rail assets for the LIRR in Penn Station, as well as the East River tunnels, leading to Harold Interlocking.

To me, the absence of such an important Service for the New York Metropolitan area should not be missed, nor neglected in TS1.

 

Yes, it is a dead route in TSW. Only M7s is ridiculous and if we got it here in TS20 the more interesting (in my opinion) higher speed portions could be made.

 

They’ve got to add the M3 Locomotive to TSW or Ts2020

 

We've wanted the M3 for longer so hopefully Reppo will deliver. If DTG made it for TS2020 it would be mediocre and Reppo can probably make one with some modelling changes to their M2.

 

I made a repaint for the M2 to have it represent an M1 or M3, which you can find and download here: https://railworksamerica.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=22137

But honestly, I feel like a great opportunity was really missed by Reppo.

 

Is there a way to bypass RWA's stupid password policy? I really hate that you have to wait around for them to approve your account and I'm dying to download this.

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UvhXjjU6StJUOsDBMFUUBh0hz8IUSIZ9
Sorry I sent the link to the RWA website, here is the actual download from Google Drive.

 

Perfect, thanks!

 

I think they might make the M3 Locomotive for TSW.

 

What leads you to think that? I'm willing to give TSW another look if it's good.

 

Agreed, From the above repaints, I can definitely see the M1/M3 being created for TS2020. I would also like to see if DTG can create the LIRR as the trackage between NY-Penn and Woodside exist in both the New York-New Haven route as well as the Hudson line. And if they do construct the LIRR, I also would really like to see them redo some of the track placements, getting the overrunning third rail correct, and reworking Long Island City. It would be great if they can feature all branches of the LIRR in TS2020. As for TSW, they need to expand the line from Hicksville to points east, and add in the C3, DE/DM30, and M3. With all of the potential that TS has, it would be great to see more traffic on the roads and scenery to mirror protoypical operations.

 

Although going all the way up to Wassaic would be amazing I wouldn't really mind it only going to Southeast. 53 miles isn't too bad, especially by DTG's standards. I do agree that we should have LIRR in TS20, simply because it can facilitate longer routes. I'd love to drive a longer, higher-speed portion of the LIRR network, which isn't possible right now.

 

You are definitely right, being that we have the full span of the New Haven line, it definitely makes sense for DTG to extend the Hudson line to Pougkeepsie. There is a workshop route that extends the Hudson line to Albany but is is not an official route developed by DTG. I am not sure why DTG only stopped at Croton Harmon. it would also be great to feature the Harlem line as well.

 

Honestly since I wanted the Hudson Line for so long I was satisfied with Croton-Harmon but now that I look back at it 30-ish miles isn't nearly enough. Sure, Poughkeepsie is far, but I think it would be possible for DTG to build to there. The workshop route to Poughkeepsie is quite good but unfortunately this means DTG probably won't make an extension of their own simply because it already exists.

 

I've been working on a Harlem line based on an expansion from NYNH, but development is very slow, I try to work on it every once in awhile, but get caught up in other stuff.

 

True, I'm really glad for PennCentral670's expansion. Although I can't drive it just yet since I don't have the Hudson Line route yet ... I spent my TS2020 allowance for this month on the Reppo M2 and the E33.

 

If DTG did do a Hudson Line extension, it could end up like the Peninsula Corridor route, where the Gilroy Extension was the same price as the original route, but added the F40 with Gallery Cars, or the Soldier Summit Extension, which added the extension to Salt Lake City at $16, but added no new content, plus relied on owning the original route.

 

I could see a few new coaches being added but not too sure for locomotives....

 

Yeah, I do think this will have already inspired him to do the earlier ones. Being that this was well received. And he could really just work off the base model of this DLC and do the needed modifications obviously on the exterior. Most of the work is done. Just the cab configurations and the audio. I'm positive the actual models will make its way to TS.

Thank you for your effort in these repaints. I will certainly be utilizing them in the scenario I'm in the process of making.

 

Well, they didn't even really give us the full New Haven section either. Because there are two missing branches that probably should have been added at some point. I do hope they do a Harlem Section, and the full one at that seeing as it's nothing but Metro-North. Also, they should have that completed with the Line to Poughkeepsie. So not only would we get another Loco (like the M1/3A's), but the older Shoreliner coaches that MattG17 had alluded to earlier in the thread.

As far as expanding the Waterbury/Danbury branches on the New Haven.. The Diesel they use for the branches, I don't currently know the model names for them yet, should be done as well.

 

I would maybe clear cache, redownload the route, or something like that. It really shouldn't be a huge problem running that route.

 

I wouldn’t mind seeing Babylon or ronkonkoma.

 

I would like to have it all.

 

And Port Jefferson and Montauk

 

Hey everyone, I was working on the next rendition of my Metropolitan repaints. What do you guys think?
From left to right: Original M1 delivery paint scheme from Budd. (Late 1960s-1980s), Later M1 Scheme (Late 1990s-2009), and the current M3 scheme (Late 1990s-present)


But I have come across a problem, the doors are child objects, and I have tried to find the texture that corresponds to them, but has been unsuccessful. The reason for this is I want to remove the "Don't fall onto the track" stickers, since they didn't exist in the 60s and 70s. These stickers are highlighted below.

 

This is because, in real life, diesel trains can run on electrified tracks technically, but it's quite rare to see that, other than freight runs on the NEC. The case with the 3rd rail P32, however, is that the game recognizes it as an electric-only train, and electric trains can only go up to Croton Harmon. The way to fix this is select the diesel version, then as soon as you enter the cab, press Control-Shift-A to switch modes, or just do it manually on the console where your right arm would be in the cab.

 

Duuuuuuude.. man.. this is great. I wouldn't worry about the little warning signs.. this is more than acceptable. I'm so excited for this.

 

And they're here! Just finished that last touches and now the LIRR M3 shall enter the game, albeit a reskin.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1d5CMJXHUTCQCr3dLr_-vKGVJRDuDq2hT

Just follow the instructions in the readme and you should be good to go.

Note: I am really bad at editing dynamic number files, so in order to have accurate numbers, rather than break them, one must fix them in the scenario editor.

The original delivery paint scheme featuring the MTA blue band similar to the Metro-North ones.

The M1s wearing a partial blue band, but with a yellow band in front, this was the scheme worn during their last days.

The current M3 paint scheme. If you'd like the delivery scheme to also apply to the M3s. That's fine, I just gave the model designations according to the pictures given online, also the preserved M1 in the LIRR museum was an inspiration for the blue and yellow banded scheme.

 

Since I like doing Metropolitans, I may do some "oddities" repaints if anyone would like it. I saw an orange and white livery of an M3 on RR picture archives while researching, E775, which is an alcohol/sandolite spreader.
E901 is also an alcohol spreader but has an entirely blue front with the yellow stripe. It looks like what an M3 owned by CSX would look like.

Here is a picture of both of them chilling in Hillside yard.

 

Dude.. you’re the Ace for this. Thank you so very much for this.

 

No problem! I quite enjoy repainting.

 

I could probably go and give that a shot if you'd like, as I did break and fix the number file for the Reversed M2/M4's I did and semi released to the NEC Sim Dev Group FB, although it'll take me a day or two...

 

Sure, It'd be great if you just post the .dcsv file in dropbox or something, then I can add it as a patch to the repaints.

 

think the M3 Locomotive or Dual mode diesel locomotive will come to train simulator or train sim world?

 

I think the M3 and Dual mode locomotives will be in TSW for LIRR at some point. It would be great too if an LIRR route with rolling stock/locomotives is made for Train Simulator.