Czech Route 086 With Class 753/750

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  1. Monder

    Monder Well-Known Member

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    Overview
    I would like to introduce my proposition for a new DLC route to be added to TSW. It would be an introduction of the first Czech (by that time Czechoslovakian) route to TSW - route Nr. 086 Česká Lípa - Liberec featuring 20 stops and a popular CSD class 753/750 along with rolling stock for both passenger and freight operation. I have personally helped bring many of these to models and can, therefore, offer some more experience with them as well as documentation. Below I would like to go through each element in detail along with development possibilities, licensing situation, reference material and overall DLC's potential.
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    A double-headed express train on Novina viaduct in the late 80s. (Jaroslav Kocourek)
    Era
    The most interesting and feature-rich era of this route was in the early 90s. For the purposes of the DLC, the best year to feature the route in would be 1992 with the best combination of trains present at that time and accurate things to put in scenarios and timetable.
    Route
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    Route map (openrailwaymap.org)
    The route is a 59km long single track between the cities of Česká Lípa and Liberec (see map for station references). It changes quite significantly during the way from a rather higher speed start to a more curved section before climbing up a ridge to then head down the other side to Liberec. Especially the second half of the route is very rich with tunnels, valleys, massive bridges and a stunning view approaching Liberec with the whole city on one side and the dominant of Ještěd mountain and hotel on the other.
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    German Desiro DMU in front of the Lemberk chateau (Hihou, K-Report, 2017)
    Česká Lípa in the early 90s featured two stations, the main station (Hlavní nádraží), which served as a passenger station and accepted most of the incoming freight trains. Most of these were then brought to the second station (Česká Lípa Město) to be shunted and sent further along the route. The route starts with a 100 km/h before reaching the station Zákupy, where the speed limits get slower (to mostly 70-80 km/h) as the route, becomes curvier and the terrain around starts getting hilly. Station Mimoň features a siding back in the 90s used for coal delivery to the old soviet occupation era military area after the civilians moved back in. Following after a couple of stops is a freight train significant station of Brniště. An adjacent hill has been heavily mined for high-quality basalt delivered worldwide. There is also a very important siding here going to the DIAMO facility. Here a large amount of limestone and acids is delivered by train to neutralise a former uranium mine. The route then continues passing chateau Lemberk all the way to Rynoltice, where a very steep climb to Ještěd ridge and Križany station starts featuring gradients of up 2.2 %. Shortly after Křižany, the route enters a first of 5 tunnels and the longest of them (815m). In the middle of this tunnel, the route starts its steep descend all the way to the Liberec main station. It crosses multiple bridges including the Novina viaduct with some of the best railfanning spots in the whole country. As the route approaches Liberec, it goes through the station of Ostašov featuring another important siding to a scrapyard and a foundry. Before reaching the end station the route features a horseshoe curve to make the final descend to the main station and the yard adjacent to it.
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    Freight train at its final descend in front of the Ještěd mountain and its unique hotel building. (Jaromír Bittner, 2002)
    Services
    During the 90s the route has been heavily used for freight transportation before less steep but longer options became prefered. Coal trains have been delivered both non-stop all the way to Liberec and supplying smaller stations along the way. These stations have also been supplied with goods and cars were loaded with wood here, that was collected on the way back. Scrap has been collected on the Ostašov siding, brought to Horní Růžodol and put into a consist before getting hauled over to Česká Lípa and further west/south. The foundry regularly received cars with coke fuel. Brniště featured a loader for the basalt mine and received a frequent supply of trains delivering sulfuric acid and powdered limestone continuing further down the siding to be unloaded and used for uranium mine neutralisation. Freight trains going over the ridge were frequently double-headed, heavy trains also featured single or double bankers.
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    Matching "duo" of engines 753 190 and 304 after arrival to Liberec. (own archive, 1992)
    At both ends of the route, numerous shunting operations have been done on yards. The passenger operation saw two pairs of express trains, one to two pairs of limited stops and 8-9 pairs of all stops services. Both Česká Lípa and Liberec also featured depots bringing their own locomotives into service during the day and providing maintenance. If M-Wagen cars were to be added to german routes, a special service could be added to this route, which was a pair of direct trains between Liberec and Nürnberg consisting usually of 750, 8-9 M-Wagen cars and a banking 753.

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    Locomotives - class 753/750
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    750 038 - the first 753 converted to 750 (see the electric heating cable next to the bumper). This locomotive was also part of the early "twin-eyed" series, which featured white and red lights combined into one. (own archive, 1991)
    The advantage of choosing early 90s as an era for this route comes from it being dominated by a single type of locomotive - the class 753. Between the years 1968 and 1977 408 of these 4-axle 1300 kW diesel-electric locomotives have been produced and they easily became favourite among engineers and railfans for its sound, performance, reliability and specific design earning it the nickname "Brejlovec" ("the Bespectacled", "Taucherbrille" in German - "Diving Glasses"). Passenger services started seeing an upgraded version - class 750 - with a removed steam generator and an added alternator to produce electricity for relatively new passenger car electric heating. The changes, however, were minimalistic and the two types were still nearly identical. A big part of Czech locomotive "culture" in the 90s were the depots trying to create colourful liveries on their locomotives. This resulted in especially class 753/750 having many uniquely coloured exemplars. While the greatest boom of this trend was towards the end of the decade, the selected year already saw a large portion of locomotives having at least a little touch of creativity. This also gives an opportunity for community involvement - contests and support for repaints, as there is no license required for these, especially prior to 1993 (see Licenses section below).
    Rolling stock
    B/BDs
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    750 068 with a local all-stop train consisting of one B and one BDs car in Jablonné v Podještědí. (own archive, 1992)
    For the passenger services, the most widely used car was the german UIC-Y type with cars "B" (2nd class) and "BDs" (2nd class with a parcel/conductor section) being operated on this route. The express trains usually consisted of 5-6 and local trains of 2-4 cars (one BDs per train).
    Eas
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    An empty double-headed train going through Zdislava with consist of Eas cars (own archive, 2002)
    While the route featured a variety of freight cars coming from all over the country, the Eas 4-axle gondola freight car was practically a backbone of freight services on this route. It was mostly used for the transportation of coal, wood and scrap. Though basalt in the featured mine in Brniště was usually loaded into a different type of car, Eas saw use in different basalt mines and it would, therefore, be only a little inaccurate for it to be featured in this way here.
    Gags
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    Gags car. Two of these can be seen in the Ještěd train picture in the previous section. (cdcargo.cz)
    The second most used freight car was the Gags 4-axle boxcar used to deliver individual goods from a larger station (mostly Česká Lípa Město in this case) to stations along the route ("less-than-container load"). A returning train later collected the empty cars and brought them back to the station of origin, from where they were taken as a whole further west/south.

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    DLC potential
    Although it is impossible to know exactly, how successful a DLC will be, there are possibilities to create an estimate. Rail simulators are very popular in the Czech Republic with huge communities surrounding practically all of these games (MSTS, TRS, TS). TSW being more of an immersing experience would bring a completely new approach for Czech player base to enjoy, especially with a Czech DLC. With a well made national entry to the TSW, many people would then be keen on trying another, especially German content as it is the neighbouring country with many of their locomotives running freight trains deep into the Czech Republic.
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    A special German train from Augsburg going through Zákupy with Zákupy chateau in the background. (Hihou, K-Report, 2019)
    The Czech railroads are also on the other hand very popular with German railfans making many train trips just to see Czech locomotives in action. The route itself is among the most beautiful and popular in the Czech Republic with two stations (Mimoň and Rynoltice) winning the popular annual award for the prettiest Czech train station.
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    Station Mimoň with a view of the mountain Ralsko, winner of the most beautiful station 2016 (nejnadrazi.cz)
    Absolutely unmatched is the love among Czech railfans for the class 753/750. With them being in service from 1968 to this day the fans are among groups of all age. As I personally have helped with a start of production of this locomotive in TT-scale in cooperation with a German manufacturer, I can confirm sale numbers completely exceeding already high expectations not only in the Czech Republic and Slovakia (during that era joined into one country) but also in Germany and Austria, where the sales matched and in some cases even outdid those of German locomotives further proving their interest in Czech railroads and the "Taucherbrille."
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    A selection of "The Bespectacled" models produced with the help of me and my colleagues. (own collection)
    As for era popularity, the most popular models are from the end of "period IV" (German model era description, ca. 1965-1990) and the beginning of "period V" (ca. 1985-2010), although this might vary a bit considering the difference between the age distribution of videogame players and model collectors.
    Reference material
    For the potential production of this DLC, I can provide numerous reference material. As the class 753/750 has already been produced as a model, I have together with my colleagues put together many schematics for liveries and inscriptions, some of which are probably among the most accurate available as numerous hours have been put into research. Engine sounds have also been recorded for sound features of the new digital train models. Both the locomotives and the cars selected are also still in service throughout the country. This can be combined with literally thousands of photographies made by people who worked on the route during the last decades. The route itself is mostly unchanged, so all necessary additional references can still be collected. It is also possible to provide authentic time schedules in effect during the early 90s as well as all speed limits and signals that were on the route at that time.
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    Part of a passenger service schedule from the first half of 1992. (collection of František Šíma)
    Licences
    Setting the route in 1992 with the chosen rolling stock brings in a huge advantage, where there is completely no need for license gathering. The locomotives were produced by a company ČKD, which has bankrupted in 1998 and gone completely out of business losing all license claims. The train operator (ČSD - Czechoslovakian railroad) has ended operation in January 1993 with the separation of Czechoslovakia and formation of two separate countries with their own railroad companies. With this, the licences for ČSD logos ended as they couldn't be passed to only one of the countries. This is once again supported by the experience from model production, where there was no license needed for this era, which has additionally been confirmed by officials.
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    753 367 with unique details and popular "lightning" stripe on the side. Notice the ČSD "stadium" logo on the side. Behind it is the Balm passenger car and 830 DMU (see below). (own archive, 1992)

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    Monder Well-Known Member

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    DLC expansions
    The longevity of a DLC is improved by further smaller additions mostly to the locomotives and rolling stock. Here I would like to make a couple of possible propositions.
    Class 735
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    735 223 in Karlov with local all stop service and two 4-door Bai cars (K-Report, 1993)
    While class 753 did the majority of the freight hauling, some of the additional work has been carried out by class 735. Built-in Slovakia during the 70s this locomotive primarily served as a shunter and light freight hauler. On this route, they started being used for pulling of all-stops services. During the early 90s it could also be seen as a banker on the climb from both sides of the ridge or a part of a doubleheader, even sometimes combined with 753. After the end of the communist era in 1989, the depots started running out of spare parts for class 735, which resulted in these locomotives becoming very unreliable and having to be frequently saved from the route after engine failure. A case in known where three of them broke down in Česká Lípa in one day (a possibility for an interesting scenario).
    By(Bai)
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    8-door Bai in national railroad museum Lužná u Rakovníka
    The By (formerly Bai) passenger cars were built in the 50s and featured 8 doors per car to allow for faster boarding and disembarking as well as Pennsylvania bogies. In the early 90s, these cars could still be seen daily on this route during rush-hour on local trains in combination with 735 or 750 to avoid delays caused by a large number of passengers. Although seen slightly more frequently on this route, the 4-door version of this passenger car is significantly less different from the UIC-Y cars and would, therefore, be a less interesting addition to the game.
    Uacs
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    Uacs car (parostroj.net, the late 90s)
    This special construction car features 4 tank chambers suited for transportation of powder goods. These are discharged by attaching high pressure to the tank and forcing the powder out through the port at the bottom of it. These cars are to this day used in all parts of the country, here specifically for the transportation of powdered limestone to the DIAMO facility. To make use of the Brniště siding and DIAMO area the Uacs car would be a great addition later on adding new services to and from DIAMO. Although the license would be needed for this car as it runs with DIAMO logos on the tanks, the company has without complications provided licenses for models of Uacs. Therefore there should be no problem with a license for in-game depiction, as those are in the same category in Czech law.
    Class 830 DMU (+Balm passenger car)
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    830 235 DMU with a Balm car crossing the Novina viaduct (Oldřich Čížek, 1992)
    Another addition that would enrich the route is that of a DMU. DMUs started running the local passenger services, which were known to have fewer passengers on board (after rush-hours, late night). Class 830 was produced during the 50s, served throughout the country on local services and to this day is used for touristic excursions by railfan clubs as they are still popular and relatively easy to maintain. These have frequently been coupled with Balm passenger cars (originally made for a different DMU class, that has soon been decommissioned for poor construction and technical difficulties) to increase capacity. Balms have also been pulled by class 750 and 735 in case of DMU failures. The possible complication with the implementation of this content is the need to replace a formation of a locomotive and 2-3 cars with a single DMU and single passenger car, which is supposedly problematic in the timetable in the game, though cases are known of two 830s with one or two Balms between them from other nearby routes, that could be implemented to this route.

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    753 prototypes
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    753 001 with a flatbed and Uacs in Jablonné v Podještědí (own archive, 1991)
    The existence of class 753 started in 1968 when ČKD built two prototypes to test the platform they designed. The result was two locomotives - T478.3001 and T478.3002 (in the 90s serving under numbers 753.001 and 753.002). These featured a large number of differences compared to the serial production (flat sides, roof details, overall length etc.). During the selected era both of these prototypes ended up serving at this route with 001 being deposited in Česká Lípa and 002 in Liberec. Although 002 has since been scrapped, 001 became a heritage locomotive and exists to this day.
    Děčín extension
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    Map of the extension from Česká Lípa further west to Děčín (openrailwaymap.org)
    If TSW later makes it possible for route extensions, this DLC could be expanded by a 30 km addition going from Česká Lípa west to Děčín. Majority of passenger services featured on the route actually continue all the way to Děčín, where the route connects to the mainline corridor between Prague and Berlin. Freight trains to and from Česká Lípa switch locomotives here from diesel to electric to continue south inland or north to Germany.
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    830 DMU crossing river Labe in Děčín on its way to Liberec. Behind it, you can see the Děčín chateau. (Jaroslav Křenek, 1996)
    Conclusion
    Although the proposed route would be among the longer ones (similar to Peninsula Corridor) in the game, it has a lot of potentials. Adding a Czech route to TSW might be able to create a completely new fandom with many railfans eager to get their hands virtually on some of the legendary locomotives of Czech railroads, while also being attractive especially for people from Germany, who already show great interest in trains from this country. The route offers a huge variety of authentic services reproducible with a relatively low amount of rolling stock needed, which can further be enhanced by the proposed expansions. The huge amount of references and photographs already available, the route and rolling stock itself still in existence nearly unchanged and experience with the production of the proposed rolling stock in models might also significantly ease the creation of such DLC.

    Additional photos
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    753 with a light freight train (4 Eas cars at the end) on Novina viaduct. (own archive, the early 90s)
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    Česká Lípa based locomotive 753 251 with an express train on a nearby route. Identical express trains with this locomotive could be seen on their way to Liberec. (own archive, 1992)

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    T478 3388g (750 388-1).jpg
    750 388 readies for departure in Děčín with UIC-Y cars to head to Liberec. (own archive, 1991)
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    Pair of 735s ready for their services in Česká Lípa. (Jaroslav Kocourek, the early 90s)
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    An already mentioned locomotive 750 068 in Liberec by the time it still was equipped with a steam generator and thus still part of class 753. You can see the steam hosepipe hooked on chains under each bumper. Compared to the photo from 1992 here the locomotive lacks most of the livery detailing added after reconstruction (winged wheel, white handrails, coloured bumpers). (own archive, 1991)
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    Period IV/V TT-scale model of 753 157 (notice the lighter red square covering the original crimson star after the end of the communist era in 1989). This is the exact look the locomotive had (along with all writings on the sides) before being destroyed in a train accident outside Mimoň in 1991. (own collection)
     
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    This is a very good planned proposal ;) I couldn't say no to this route. Awesome views, interesting trains and rolling stock, and indeed this route should be in 90s style. I seriously hope that DTG takes note of this, as it will have a lot of potential for TSW. I see that there are a lot if Czech players on TSW, so DTG shouldn't be worried about the number of copies sold. +1! :D
     
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    A couple of additional new photos (very fresh ones - the photos are less than 3 hours old):
    With the route going around the ridge being closed for a couple of weeks due to maintenance the route 086 saw a short return of freight trains during this period. Last such freight train left Liberec today in the late afternoon and with a couple of traffic rules broken I managed to follow it through some of the best spots on the route. The train has been pulled by two class 753.7 locos - modernised version of class 753 with a brand new engine, inside cab and safety features, while still keeping the iconic look.
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    753.764 and .760 crossing the Novina viaduct to climb the ridge to Křižany.
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    Half an hour later the train passed the second spot in front of the Lemberk chateau and the oncoming storm.
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    The third spot was right outside Jablonné v Podještědí. Here the train is captured shortly after leaving the station on its way to Česká Lípa and further south from there.
     
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    Amazing thread with amazing description! I vote for this content!

    Czech railways have a lot to offer in railroad sims. Many interesting and beautiful routes and sidings. And czech locos are well-known in whole mid-eastern Europe.

    And please as a bonus to this dream DLC: Locomotive 749
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    Monder Well-Known Member

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    749 is a great loco, I would say it sounds maybe even a bit better than 753, but it was very rarely seen on this specific route, that's why I didn't put it on the list.
     
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    Route looks nice and would be nice to see a new country in the sim. What operator runs this line???????? BTW that was the most I've ever read, and the longest suggestion ive ever seen. How long did it take you to write that???????? Could you post a few pictures of some stations on this line.
     
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    Monder Well-Known Member

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    During the selected era the only operator was the Czechoslovakian Railroad (CSD), a state-run company, that did both the passenger and freight services. It has been split with the separation of countries in 1993 and here it became CD (Czech Railroad). Nowadays CD runs basically all the passenger services here (except for the German summer tourist train on one of the pictures above). It's subsidiary CD Cargo takes care of the freight trains, though there are some private companies to see here from time to time, although the freight services, in general, are not that frequent here anymore. The photos I have taken yesterday were a great exception.
    The post took some time to put together, writing on its own wasn't that long. Finding the photos in the archive was much more difficult :D
    As for the stations, the route has been built at the end of the 19th century with efficiency in mind, so the majority of stations are of one of three types similar in shape and built with same materials (probably also easier to reproduce in virtual):
    -large (Liberec Horní Růžodol (photo below), Jablonné, Mimoň)
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    -medium (Karlov, Křižany, Zdislava, Rynoltice (photos below), Brniště, Zákupy)
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    -small (Kryštofovo Údolí (photo below), Novina, most other small stops)
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    There are of course exceptions, for example, Liberec Main Station is a complex of two buildings connected by underpasses - one serving as the main hall, the second more as a departure lounge. The second building still keeps a lot of its original look and is therefore frequently used for movies, especially WWII era. I myself am a frequent commuter and it's pretty shocking to get off a train at 6 am onto a platform with Third Reich flags all over the place. Happened to me three times in the last six years.
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    The scenery looks fantastic, I wouldn't mind this route being made for the come.
     
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    Come = game
    Ot autocorrected
     
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    Monder Well-Known Member

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    Well everyone mentioned the suggestions have to be interesting, special, etc. and having such a gem nearby... I would be a fool to not suggest it, especially with experience and references that could be used. :D
     
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    That is a lot of information :). Good suggestion!
     
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    A combination of it being my local route, a "network" of people who worked here having a ton of reference material and experience with the models. It does add up quite a bit. :D There were 408 753s/750s produced. We have photos of 406 of those and know pretty well what the other two looked like before getting involved in accidents/scrapped.
     
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    I usually am not too keen on DLCs about countries I am not familiar with, but this line seems really lovely, also some of the 750/753 were (maybe still are?) used in Italy as well under the designation DE520, we nicknamed those "4-eyed"
     

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    About 40 of these were refurbished and sent to Italy. Some companies tried to buy some of them back, but so far all of them are still in Italy. Not sure if they're still in use, but they're there.
     
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    Looks like they are still in service in northern italy on short haul non electrified parts of the network
     
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    Glad to hear that. In the early 2000s, there has been a crazy push in our country to get rid of 753s/750s from to Ministry of Transportation saying the older locos will do better (they didn't). Many railfans and even railroad workers were relieved that at least some will survive as they were sold to Italy. Fast forward to the present day 753s/750s are being modernised (e.g. post nr.8 in this thread) in large numbers becoming a backbone of long diesel passenger and freight services once again. And they'll probably do so for quite some time.
     
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    It would be an excellent route, not only diesel but also steam locomotive!
    Would look great in TSW, from a terrain and old locomotive perspective!
    (I lived in the town of Zákupy for 5 years, and studied at the school in the town of Mimoň!
    And I had the opportunity, at that time, to ride in the cabin of the "The Bespectacled" 750 diesel locomotive from Milovice station to Lysá nad Labem station)!
    At one time, I saw really working steam locomotives, with freight cars (not to be confused with tourist trips)!
    But I am a realist, and I understand that DTG will not undertake this route until a third-party team from the Czech Republic appears in their team!

    In any case, make a "vote" section in the topic header!
     
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2021

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