Is anyone seeing strange signals going from Aachen to Köln? I noticed it doing the 11:42 service from Aachen. It’s showing a red for me about 20km into the route and not really a chance to slow down. Taking the train as a passenger, the AI just goes through the signal. I have all layers for the route.
It should be possible to do without LZB. It’s not really good that you need LZB in order to fully do timetables from Aachen to Köln, but you can do the other way.
Are you getting any yellows? If you are not using LZB, the maximum speed you are allowed to travel is 160km/h. At that speed, you should have enough time to slow down to a stop upon seeing a yellow signal (though it may not be comfortable!). If you are not seeing any yellows before reds, then something is wrong. Cheers
If there is no track change, it is possible to meet red without preceding yellow, but - all magnets will be active in this block, so - impossible to miss.
I'm not using any safety systems at all as it's new to me. There is a yellow then green then red. Speed is already 250kph and signals are close together. What is strange is the AI passing through these signals. It implies something is wrong with how they are working. The AI did stop on the approach to Köln Hbf but not for other red signals.
I'm intending to look at this. I already have it queued up on YouTube, but the point is it's meant to be working whether the safety systems are on or off and the AI should behave in the same way as a human would drive it.
You are not allowed to travel more than 160km/h without LZB enabled. Under normal circumstances, you should have enough time to slow down from 160km/h between a yellow and red signal (~1km). If you would like to safely travel at higher speeds, you must use LZB. LZB allows trains to pass by "red" signals. If the signal is red but LZB says it is safe to continue through, then you may pass. It is also possible that you are confusing a stop signal with something different, like a shunt signal? Cheers
If I were using only PZB then yes, this is true, but I don’t have any systems turned on so I can go as fast as I like. Matt & Sam talked about this in one of the preview streams back in the summer.
You are missing the point. Without LZB, there is no other advanced warning of an upcoming restriction. You can not possibly expect the signals to warn you of a red from further away because they are only designed to display information for trains running 160km/h or slower. That means that if you are driving faster than 160km/h, by the time the signals tell you to slow down, it will already be too late because you do not have enough track to slow down. LZB gives you warning of upcoming restrictions much further in advance than what semaphore signals are capable of. Remember, LZB is also effectively an in-cab signalling system. Cheers
OK. I do have an understanding of how signals work. My point is the game is designed to be played with or without the safety systems turned on. The fact the AI is passing through a red signal a human player isn’t allowed through feels like a bug to me. I even ran the service going the other way and I couldn’t see a reason for the behaviour.
I think these are two separate discussions that are being too hastily conflated. There is no getting around that you need LZB turned on to be warned of upcoming restrictions in time (without using the HUD), if you are travelling at high speeds. This is simply a reflection of how German signalling is modelled. The game can be played without safety systems turned on, but you need to respect the 160km/h limit set in place by DB if you expect the signals to give you enough advanced warning. I am curious about the AI going through red signals (for anyone in the know, even an AI SPAD will kick you out of the session, so an AI train going through a red without permission would send you back to the main menu even though you are not in control of it), so I will try out the service for myself and let you know my findings.
Better take a shot of AI approaching this mysterious RED I spot RED with ICE only in one place close to Koln.
No, it was much earlier. About 15 minutes into the journey, around where 250km/h starts. The AI stopped there no problem, but I wasn’t even getting that far as a player service.
There is no RED earlier But you are out of speed limit all the time I supposed so it is possible to meet some strange circumstances. But - AI passing RED signal? Where? AI is always within the speed limit.
I’ll try again. It might have just been a bug for that particular run of the game. I do also have all available layers for SKA, including the DB BR 182 and MRCE 185.
I have all layers too, but this is just impossible with AI in this run. Driving as a passenger now...
The only real scenario of this type - you do not comply with the speed limits and you end up on a busy track because you are somewhere out of schedule too early. But that's not a BUG. This is how this game works. You cannot pass the STOP signal
Thanks for checking it out! I did run the tutorial just before hand as well. That’s the only other thing I can think that might cause this. Sorry if I’ve seemed silly about it!
Well, I just did the service (spawned on foot at Aachen at 11:40 and boarded the train). I watched the signals from the boom camera and the train never blew through a red signal. So I am not sure how this happened to you. If you could try to reproduce it on video, show screenshots, or give the distance marker of the signal, that could help narrow it down. Cheers
Obviously, I am not right, haha There is always such a progression - expect stop > stop But there is no mandatory sequence such a expect slow before expect stop In our little adventure, there is a yellow there of course! Callum \o/ Me, dumb BR
Thanks for your assistance! I have just managed to complete it successfully! I put it down to the same thing that caused Sam’s TGV to derail like it did!
One day we will find out what cause that incident. One day... Glad to hear you were able to do it successfully. Enjoy the route! It's good fun. Cheers
I’m sure we will one day I even did it a second time successfully. Thanks, I’ll try! It certainly is good fun. I’m enjoying the ICE, next is to try the Talent 2 and other regional/S Bahn trains.
I managed to do a run with just LZB (and AFB) and when Ende appeared, I tried to tell LZB I’d acknowledged it but it applied the emergency brakes with “Befhur 40” appearing. This was on HMA & SKA.
I have to admit though there is something about the alarms. I think it’s good to set off once. Mind you, it also comes with practice where the Ende is and when to tell LZB to go back to sleep. Is it possible for LZB to reprime after an Ende to then be activated again after a PZB section? (I’m using Matt’s terms in case anyone is wondering where it comes from.)
In SKA and HMA, the LZB sections are the middle part of the ride - after the 'ende', there is no opportunity to switch it back on.
Thanks. I realise this, it was more to understand more about LZB more than anything! Although arguably in HMA it’s possible at München Hbf to turn the train around and head out again. Not sure if there is an ICE that doesn’t go to Hackebrucke before going back to the station to head out again.
Munchen Hbf is a terminal station: all trains have to reverse out. But those services that don't terminate at Munchen don't leave the way they came in! ICE services that come in via Augsburg (from Mannheim, mostly) branch off to the south just past Hackerbrucke, on their way to Austria. Koln is different, because it's laid out as a through station. Trains from Brussels via Aachen that go on to Frankfurt will hit the SFS Koln-Frankfurt, and resume LZB along that stretch.