No one will have a RTX card at the moment. Personally I think you dodged a bullet with the HP being out of stock. Go to CCL if they're local to you, and give them the spec I listed above. Let them build you to that spec (using dual channel RAM - 2x8gb DIMMs). Should be around £750 or £900 with a 5600 CPU. Let them fit whatever GPU they have (almost certainly a 1650 or 1660) and upgrade it later when this madness ends.
YES for a desktop! Have used before Dell for more than 10 years and they never disapoint me. And also used several Acer laptops and they have not disapoint me either. As I said I use HP not but do not like it too much I said. The fans are too loud. So what are you using?
Oh well... I guess some people have lower standards than I, and every respected hardware review site ever then. If you're happy with it, I'm pleased for you. One I built myself... properly. My posts in here are to advise the OP. I'm sorry if it offends you because you bought a Dell, but I'll let the OP decide who's advice seems more relevant to him: Someone who makes detailed, precise posts giving concise information, with links, and references to do further research... or some guy who judges a PC by how loud its fans are.
There is nothing "wrong" with Dell PCs as such. For business and normal domestic use they do what it says on the box so to speak. We used both laptops and desktops from Dell at my last employer with no great issues. The big difference was ours were all on 3 year leases so at 3 years whether the user wanted to retain it or not the PC was sent back for Dell to recycle into the used supply chain. There were all under 3 year on-site warranty so any failed PSUs etc. were changed out by Dell using expensive genuine parts since the PCs were going back into the supply chain eventually. When I buy a PC it has to last 5 - 10 years so expandability and ease of replacing parts is key. During the lifetime of my last PC it went from the 300W power supply as supplied to a 1000W modular unit to cope with newer graphics cards, additional hard drives (no SSDs in those days due to cost) and additional DVD drives (I have both region 1 and 2 drives locked to region due to my extensive DVD library). The other issue I found with Dell (and is was a bind in work also) is they supplied 4GB memory PCs with 4 * 1 GB sticks so upgrading those with proper business case like the art and design department who were running things like autocad and needed much more memory in a 64 bit environment meant a special order to get the PC shipped with the required memory slots vacant.
Of course not. They work. There's plenty wrong with Dell GAMING PCs though. As you also said... future upgrades are problematic due to poor RAM configurations, and also propitiatory parts. If you want a box to run office apps... sure... why not, but if you want a gaming PC that has future options to upgrade with standard parts... avoid Dell like the plague... and HP.... or indeed any of the "big" names.
Me again (you'll probably be sick of me, lol). Right, just asking if MSI are a good brand to use. I've found a couple of models which look good enough for me. MSI MAG META AMD Ryzen 5 3600 hex core 3.6GHz 8GB RAM DDR4 512GB SSD 1TB HDD NVidia GTX1660XS 6GB GDDR6 £899 or MSI Codex 5 Intel i7-10700 8 core 2.9GHz/4.8GHz GeForce RTX2060 6GB 16GB RAM DDR4 256GB SSD 2TB HDD £1199
Once you use an SSD, you'll never want to go back to a HDD - 256GB way too small, and 512GB you'll soon grown out of - are the SSDs customisable? I have a 1TB SSD, and looking now at adding a 2TB, as have only 90GB left on it.
The second one will be out of stock I reckon, as no one has a RTX card at the moment. Why other games? That's clearly the better machine for anything, including TS. That SSD is uselessly small though.
Yes. Very well respected brand in terms of hardware, however, morally, I'd never buy from them as they are partially responsible for the high GPU proces we're being subjected to. https://uk.pcmag.com/graphics-cards...y-caught-scalping-rtx-3080-3090-cards-on-ebay
The local firm that I go to has: 2TB Seagate Barracuda 120 - £219 (SATA) 2TB ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro - £238 (M.2 PCIe)
Yeah, the SSD is tiny on that second one but it does have the better card. Both places I've looked say the second one is available and can be delivered within 2-3 days.
If it's actually with a RTX2060... Then buy it.. it's as good as you're ever going to get in this utterly stupid situation we find ourselves in. Seriously... just buy, but request a bigger SSD. Personally I'm just waiting until things return to normal and I don't have to pay through the nose to get something that would have been 40% cheaper this time last year. PLus, by that time we'll have Zen 4 AMD CPUs, with PCIe v5 and DDR5.
It's not possible to upgrade the SSD as it's pre-built and being sold by major retailers. I guess I could get an external SSD temporarily and when the warranty expires, fully upgrade the machine with bigger SSD and better GPU. It clearly states on the write up that it is the RTX2060. There's no disclaimer on it saying not available so will have the 1650 or 1660 instead.
I seriously doubt upgrading the SSD will void the warranty on a desktop machine. I'd still call and get that confirmed if I were you. While you are there, check that adding another drive wont void your warranty, as you can keep the 256GB SSD as your boot partition, and just add another one to install Steam on.
Are these laptops then? Edit: From the later posts no. You should surely be able to change a drive without violating the warranty- the actual fitting is little more complicated than changing a fuse although there would be the added chew of migrating Windows to the new drive. If these are desktop machines you should be able to add a second (and probably a third and a fourth) storage device. Even in a laptop there may be an interface and space for a second drive especially an NVME drive which would be no larger than a memory module.
Maybe I should just go for the cheaper one as it has a bigger SSD and I'll mostly be using it for TS, FS, streaming and maybe the odd video edit. I mean £1200 is quite a bit and that doesn't include keyboard, mouse and webcam which I'll need to buy anyway.
All of which require CPU grunt. No. TS requires grunt if you want to play at decent resolution. The first one only has 8GB of RAM, so that will need upgrading, and the CPU is not as capable, and TS is manly single threaded... you need CPU grunt as well as a decent GPU. I'd rather run TS off the HDD on the second machine than the SSD of the first. having said that, do you already have a monitor? If so, what is its resolution? If it's only 1080p then sure, the first one will be OK... but if you ever get a decent screen, you'll have a PC that can't really keep up.
Then you'll definitely want the second one, and even then you'll need to dial back some settings. TS at 4K needs at least GTX1080 or above type performance, and a decent CPU. 6GB of VRAM would be a minimum as well.
I have a omen with the rtx 2060 in and it runs every game ive thrown at it at max settings. Mine has the i7 in it though and was more expensive
I have a 4k monitor and with only a 3GB 1060, and am pretty much always on about 40 fps, except on tile loading, when it might dip to about 20-24 for a brief moment.
The lower CPU clock speed might not be the best choice for TS but it's unlikely you'll have any cause to regret the choice and newer software will benefit. Concerns voiced about the size of the boot drive are justified but it depends on how much other software you will have installed and how big your Railworks folder is. My boot drive is 240GB and, with my Railworks folder at just shy of 100GB, free capacity is getting down to about 30%. As a rule of thumb it's best to have about 20% free though with SSDs, depending on the type, you can get away with less. As has been noted adding a second SSD should be straight-forward and not affect your warranty. A TV should be fine for games but for video and other visual work you might want a monitor you can calibrate accurately depending on how seriously you take it. A 24" or so HD one you can use as a second screen should suffice and not cost the earth. The best of luck with your new system.
Not with high settings you're not Almost anything can run almost anything if you turn everything down far enough. You think clock speed is the metric by which you judge a chip's performance? What is this... 1995? LOL In all games, including older lightly or single threaded titles the 10700 utterly kicks the 3600's arse into next week. Its single threaded performance is much higher. In productivity the 10700 will consistently beat the 3600. The 10700 will utterly outclass the 3600 in literally everything... everything, and not just by a slim margin either... it will be a bloodbath! He VERY DEFINITELY made the best choice if he went for the i7 10700. Don't believe me? Take it up with Steve Burke then... Games:
Productivity..... You think the 3600 will be a better choice for Train Simulator? Give your head a wobble There is literally not a single scenario you will find where the 3600 beats the 10700 - not gaming, not Photoshop or graphics.. not video editing or encoding... nothing... the second machine just outclasses the first AMD one by significant margins in all areas. Even the awesome value for money Ryzen 5 5600 only trades blows with it.. not actually beats it. The 3600 is a low end chip.. great value, and for its price, a great chip... but you can't seriously say it is a better performance choice than a i7 10700 based on clock speed... LOL. That's like me saying my Nissan Micra is faster than my Mustang because the engine revs higher. The 10700 spanks the 3600. The 3600 is not a bad chip, and I've previously recommended it for budget builds, and still would if you can't stretch to more than £800 or so for a gaming PC... but it is NOT a better choice than a i7-10700 for train sim based on performance. You are wrong. He's chosen a much more suitable CPU... He also has a far superior GPU, and twice as much RAM for only £299 more. He did the right thing.
I also have a 1060 3GB and run it very smoothly on fairly high settings. It only struggles in the areas where it struggles for virtually everyone.
That's not fairly high settings though. You've pulled back on your draw distance quite a way, and shadow quality is set really low. I still doubt you'd be getting 40fps with a 1060 @ 4K. If I turn things down enough, I can run 4K here with a GTX980... not really the point though. TS looks way better with everything maxxed out, with ReShade and RWEnhancer at 1440P than it would at 4K with those settings above.
I upgraded in December from an i5 2500k to an i5 10600k see specs in signature. This is a video that I made. LGV Rhone - Alps Mediterranee Route, Lyon To Marselle scenario TS 2021 - YouTube On the i5 2500K it use to stutter badly. I'm only running on 1080P on a 24" LED monitor and have no interest in running TS any higher. I do have a 40" 4K TV but as I said I'm happy on my monitor. If you read reviews on the 10600K most say that is all you need to play games on. A new series of Intel CPUs have just come out the 11 series. Intel Announces 11th Gen Core i9-11900K, i7-11700K And i5-11600K Desktop CPU Details And Pricing (forbes.com)
And they're rubbish... literally no better than the 10th gen, and in some cases, worse. The i5-11600 doesn't look too bad... only because of pricing though - generally, they're a massive disappointment. They've also been available weeks before the official launch as well. There were people testing and benchmarking them last month. You mean LCD.
That's obviously not what I said. Or you could have just said, "Perhaps you misread the model of Ryzen (guess what) but you're wrong there- even the 10700s single threaded performance is much higher than the 3600's." but some people have just got to preen.
You said.... Which leads me to believe you think the lower clock speed makes it less suitable. Well, what model of Ryzen were you thinking it was then? No.. I'm posting up facts. The poor bloke may have cancelled his order and changed it to the AMD machine on the basis of you saying the AMD was better for TS... when it isn't. If I don't post some facts, from his perspective, it would be your opinion vs mine... Facts however... are facts, and he can now reassure himself that he has made the right choice in paying the extra. I gave no insults... unless you think "give your head a wobble" followed by a smiley face is an insult.
No idea really. I doubled check my settings as per Andy’s pic above, my field of view is about in the same setting, as that’s what I prefer, but everything else at max. I’ve had the FPS in the corner since I started in December, and it’s almost always 38-46. Sometimes up to 50-60, just occasionally dips to about 24 with a new tile.
Sounds similar to what I get, maybe I should give my settings a boost, the card clearly isn't working hard enough
uhuh.... go on.... Gosh!.. does it? LOL. So you have a OLED monitor do you? Only a few minutes ago, you were saying So, why are you saying you have a LED monitor? Are you not sure if your monitor is LED or not? There are hardly any OLED monitors. Tons of TVs... but hardly any monitors... for a very good reason. Your monitor is LCD. If it says "LED" on it anywhere, it refers to the backlighting.
Just wanted to say thanks for all the advice. The new rig arrived today and it's great. Oh, and the GPU is an RTX2060. Just loaded up TS21 and it looks great and seems to be getting 40-45fps on high settings. Now I just need to get the PS4 DS pad to work via bluetooth.
It's only there temporarily until I've moved some stuff around. It will be going in a dedicated unit very soon.
Woohooo! That was fast! 2060 too. result. Grab a bigger SSD when you can, and you're sorted. Reef's right.... New PC layouts have the PSU intaking air from the bottom... you'll fill it with dust in no time. Cut a piece of MDF for it to sit on at least until you sort something out. Failing that... just put a bin liner down... Not joking, as soon as the PSU fan kicks in, it's just sucking dust out of your carpet.
This is the computer that I built in December first one and I'm over 70. See specs in sig. Have changed one of the sticks of ram and put it into another slot. I know that the cables look messy but the case is a mid-tower ATX. MB is an ATX. Yes, mine sits on the floor bot on some chipboard have been doing it like that for 20 years with no issues.
You said it yourself "bot [sic] on some chipboard" that's the key point here, it's not directly on the carpet.
Which is why I advised him to cut a piece of MDF to put under his machine. You seem to be agreeing with me, so I'm not sure what your point is. 20 years ago, PC's didn't have PSUs that mounted at the base, ingesting air from beneath... in fact, 20 years ago most PCs had the PSU mounted ta the top of the case. The 9 year old Corsair Obsidian case I still use here has the PSU at the bottom, but in-taking air from the case itself, not from underneath. It's a relatively new design trend having the PSU take air from underneath... maybe the past 5 or 6 years. As this was your first PC build, you may not have known that though. [edit] You really need to cable manage.
I've put some 10cmx10cm shelves under the unit that I had left over from Ikea bookcase/cd/dvd unit I built. They're about 15mm thick and I've doubled them up so there's 8 in total under the base with the feet sat on (if you call them feet). I had a peek inside the case before putting the glass side on and it doesn't look like there's an expansion slot for any PCI nVme SSDs and the one that is installed is attached to the motherboard (similar to the PS5). I do like though that MSI include 2 sets of spare clips in the box for you to attach to new HDDs if you want to add more storage. So far I'm impressed with the system. It boots fast and even with TS installed on the HDD, it loads quickly. It only took about 15-20 seconds to load up a route with fastload active. I even remote played TSW2 through PS remote play from my PS5 although the keyboard didn't function for that so I couldn't use the ectra controls for horn and cameras.
