Saudi Railway Organization Route

dear train simulator i have a suggestions for tsw2
can you please make the saudi railway organization route short cut name is SRO
we have a lot of locomotives and 4 stations
[Locomotive]
SDL50 - 3 colors
SDL38-2
SDL38
GT46ACE

[dammam to riyadh stations]
start in dammam
arrive to buqayq in 45 minuts
arrive to hofuf in 2 hours
then arrive riyadh in 4 hours

 

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Jo_Kim means could you add more details to your post, like a Wikipedia page and why it should be added

 

We'd like to see more information about the stops along the line, the length of the route, what kind of operations happen on the route (passenger, freight or mixed, and how often do they happen), and a bit more information about the locomotives. In addition to all that we'd like to know what makes this route so great, and why you'd like to see it.

Also, from a quick google, it seems the route is 449 km long. This is way to long for the current game (the longest routes are just over 100 km). On top of that, what makes driving for 449 km through mainly desert so interesting?

 

There could also be issues if the route goes through areas of a political, military or religious sensitive nature.

 

yes

 

oh ok

 

From what I can see looks like this will resemble some routes in the southwestern United States that runs through a desert environment. Examples are TS21 Sherman Hill and Arizona Divide. Add this to train Sim world permits player experience desert railway operation.

 

A saudi Arabian route. It would be interesting to get a middle eastern route although 449km is a length that dtg have not reached yet. The longest route dtg have made is only 62 miles

 

wait guys what do you think of my suggestion ?

 

Refer to the comments above!
Like all ideas it has some merit but as pointed out there are numerous practical obstacles to such a route making it to TSW and of course DTG have to be convinced there is a business case, i.e. it will make them money, before they look seriously at the suggestions posted here.

 

There are quite a few nice looking routes in the Middle East - the old line up to Jerusalem, there’s a line in Iran which has more twists and spirals than a Swiss railway. The key is finding something that can be researched without needing an armed escort, isn’t going to offend the religious types, isn’t going to get the CIA or MI6 knocking on your door and as I said above, is going to make coin for DTG.

 

Yeh it would be interesting to see a middle eastern route and this suggestion isn't bad but 272 miles (449 KM) is something that dtg haven't reached yet so a route like this is not something dtg could make at the moment. If dtg could get research without the CIA involved than that would be a plus

 

I still think the biggest problem is going to be the political and cultural challenges bringing any route from the Middle East would pose. You would need a whole new set of passengers of the appropriate skin colour and clothing plus (without stepping on any toes) some means of implementing segregation of the sexes which I believe happens on some of the passenger trains, areas where westerners etc. are not permitted. For the amount of profit it would make, I just see it as being too much of a hot potato for any train sim developer to touch. Likely to remain in the purview of those who are confident of their skills in a route editor, in a sim that offers that function.

 

do you disagree guys ?

 

I think your statement sums it up especially with the length of this route. I don't think this is something dtg would do

 

so you disagree]

 

No one disagrees or wants to put down the suggestion, just pointing out for numerous reasons it would be unlikely to appear for TSW2.

 

Exactly this. On this forums people will point out difficulities in creating the route for DTG, some might even say that they wouldn't be interested. But as long as you want your suggestion, there is a good reason for suggesting it.

 

so you guys like my suggestion ?

 

I wouldn't be interested in buying it, unless there is good scenery but looking at satellite view (I may be wrong) it looks like it will be driving on very flat open land. I think scenery is one of the most important things for me when buying a route. Is there a city transit route in Saudi Arabia?

 

umm yes ???

 

I really don’t know what else we can say to you. Diplomacy mode off, the chances of this route or even a part of it getting built for TSW lie somewhere between zero and none. If you are expecting an official response from Dovetail then to the best of my knowledge they never respond to the merits or otherwise of ideas on this board, so you will be waiting a long time. I think you need to accept the situation and move on.

 

If you want your chosen route to be on this game you've got to put a bit more effort in, clearly not many people are interested in this route. I've made suggestions that aren't great and haven't got many likes or replies, but I've just moved on from it, you seem to be trying to bump this route up to the top of the suggestion pile by posting more replies with no meaning in them. I tried helping by suggesting that you recommend a city transit kind of route which is the kind of route more people buy. Like OldVern said the chances of this route actually happening are very low.
Obviously you have the right to make a suggestion but if you really want your chosen route to happen you need to pick a route that interests people. People at the moment enjoy a High Speed route with a fast non stop train and a slower stopping train, is there one that you could recommend, maybe in Saudi Arabia, with information like: Route Length, Trains, Stations, etc. I hope this helps

 

wait i'm confused do you agree or disagree ?

 

We really can’t say it any plainer. This route is never going to happen for TSW.

 

We don’t like it. It would be boring as it is all desert and it’s too long. It’s not going to happen in TSW.

 

I don't disagree with the idea. It's just something that I don't see happening for reasons that others have said

 

You mean you don't like it. I like the idea but it would be technically difficult to make amongst other issues

 

WHY!!!!????

 

After lots of people answered that same thing, he kept asking for a straight answer, so I gave him the truth, which will represent what myself and most other people, including those that make routes, actually think. It would quite possibly be the worst route in train simulation history. Hundreds of kilometres of straight track in plain desert with four stations. It would be painful to drive at best. It’s why they pay the drivers. It’s not that important because it would never get built, and not just due to technical issues.

 

that doesn't make no since!!!

 

ts just made a csx then they added caltrain with union pacific then later there's a clinchfeld railway and the canadian national that's not fair guys you can't just do this to me

 

We have a right to disagree. You wanted to know. We don’t mean to upset you but not every route that people like can be made for the game. It’s better to know that this route has no real chance of being made than to keep hoping against all odds. There are plenty of other routes that are too long or are in countries that aren’t easily accessible for research that also won’t be made, so it’s not just the one you like. UK, US and European routes are easier to do. It’s nothing personal.

 

Look, we understand you want the route, but most other people that play this game don't. I normally don't say this (I prefer to just ignore things I don't neccesarily like), but I'm sorry to say I really wouldn't be interested into this route.

As stujoy said, there is nothing personal about this. We don't think that your opinion is wrong, we just don't share your opinion.

 

plus the desert is beautiful we have some mountains and some trees and grass on the way and also there a road right next to the railway also there's a signal station on the way out of the city you'll see the views it's beautiful i just want the SRO route please guy make my life better... plus i live in saudi arabia

 

Maybe this is one occasion DTG should post that this suggestion has no chance of seeing the light of day, as it seems the OP otherwise is just going to keep on spamming the thread.

 

wait what ?

 

Look man, the problem is not that people don't like your suggestion. Sure, it would be nice to see a route like this in TSW, I especially love the feel of countries like this.

But this is just a suggestion forum, it's not us for up to decide whether it happens or not, we're all just players here, like you. You make a suggestion, we can discuss it as players, make ideas, and maybe someone at DTG sees it and maybe they consider it.

But as others said, the reason this route is not likely to happen is because of the country it's set in. With Saudi Arabia being a Middle Eastern country, it would be very hard to do the licencing and other "legal" stuff, I suppose. For creating a route they need licence from the railway, and information and such, that is probably would be pretty hard to get from a Saudi Arabian railway.

Your suggestion is nice, I personally like it, it's just that it has very little chance of happening because of geological, legal and technical reasons.

 

Nobody is being unfair. Allow me to point some issues as to why it can't be made.

1. The route is 272 miles long. TSW has been out for 4 years and the longest route they have made is Clinchfield (Which isn't even out yet) and that route is only 62 miles. DTG haven't made a route that is 100 miles long yet so I don't think we will see a 200 mile route for a long time

2. Licensing. It probably would not be easy to get a license for a saudi Arabian's railway. I don't think they had a company ask them to make a route. Also there are other legal and maybe cultural things that would need to be done

3. Some people may not like it because it's in a desert although I bet some people who don't like desert routes would buy Cane Creek which is effectively a desert route which is hypocrisy at it's finest.

I think the idea of a middle eastern route is a good idea but at the moment a 272 mile route isn't pratical at the moment not to mention other issues as well

 

wait the route has to be 100 mils or 90 miles ?

 

well how about this, how about the train stop only 3 stations i mean only the passenger

 

Give it a rest, chap.

 

How long would the route be with 3 stations?

 

2 hours

 

you mean i have to resuggest ?

 

In terms of miles or kilometers

 

what ?

 

You said the route with three stations takes two hours. How long is the route in Miles?

 

idk i'll find out