Tsw 2 Upcoming 'rush Hour' Feature

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  1. tallboy7648

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    I would love to know what exactly they were experimenting with NEC in the first place?
     
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  4. tallboy7648

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    It's most likely real deal. It's not difficult to tell although I wished the Boston-Providence route came with the Amtrak Acela Express. It's about damn time though that we got a North American Passenger route and thank goodness for no freight only route again. London To Brighton will be interesting and I wonder if you own East Coastway if both routes could be attached to make Brighton a much busier station?
     
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    The Acela will most likely be an addon at a later date. (The older one, not the Avelia Liberty)
     
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  6. tallboy7648

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    It wouldn't even make sense for the Avelia to be an dlc now because it won't enter service until next year
     
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    Yeah, I don't know why people keep asking for it, how about wait till it is actually used in revenue service before wanting it in game.
     
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    If it Avelia in the game, the player would only use it for test purposes as is what is happening with the train at the moment
     
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    I’m pretty sure the Acela will be dlc, and I also think SPG will add a freight layer with all its locos for freight services.
     
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    Not surprisingly, we’re getting 4 trains in Bahnstrecke Riesa-Dresden, all reused of course. BR 143, BR 442 Talent 2, MRCE BR 185.5, and the BR 146.2, which might come in IC livery, due to the article mentioning IC services.
     
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    Well at least people who like freight will probably have freight services on Boston-Providence
     
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    Ah yes the DB BR 146 does indeed also run IC services in a DB InterCity White and Red livery with IC White Dostos with a red stripe. More recycled content as seems to be norm but hopefully this route will offer a different style of gameplay especially with the S-Bahn services
     
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    TBH the deal doesn't look that bad when you think they are trying to sell us HHL (with 90% reused rolling stock) for the same price as the 3 routes in Rush Hour.
     
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    Yep, I guess players can let it pass only and only if these trains are improved from their original versions, meaning the old bugs these trains suffered from must be fixed.
     
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    True, BRD looks like a much better deal compared to HHL.
     
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    30 bucks for three routes is a very good deal. Even though there isn't a single really new loco in it. (The ACS 64 is basically the BR 182 with some tweaking)
     
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    Well despite the reused content, and slightly different variations of trains *cough* 377 *cough* class 387, we’re getting new routes and new railroads (MBTA, Gatwick Express), so I guess we can let it slide for now, if the bugs from the previous versions are not repeated.
     
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    More speculation: each of these routes we can expect to get a DLC. On NEC it will almost certainly be the Acela. But what about the British and German routes?
     
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  19. Inkar

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    This part of the FAQ is really intriguing:

    If they release this in august / september as usual, they do not really have much more year to release the other major updates.
     
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    Hmm, interesting but weird at the same time...
    Well if it is true, it would be another surprise we thought DTG would never pull off, like how SPG came to consoles in TSW 2.
     
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    OK, but I'm guessing the safety systems will be quite different and they need to make them for the first time in TSW. There is quite some work to be done there.
     
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    DTG was considering linking RRO with RSN, if that ever happens then ECW and BML might be next up?
     
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    It would be awesome if they could get to do something like that, but it looks like something really difficult technically.
     
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  24. solicitr

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    Another interesting point, assuming it's true, is length: the Brighton Main Line is 50 miles long (on the Victoria branch), and besides splits in two from Purley to Balcombe Tunnel, so that's an additional ~20 miles to model.
     
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    Fortunately for DTG, "safety systems" on US locos (not counting certain metro systems like the LIRR) boils down to an alerter. Not much to model. That would change of course were they to do the Acela as a DLC.
     
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    Well CRR does feature over 62 miles of track, not end to end of course, 35 miles of mainline and about 20 miles of branches, so it’s the same situation for BML, 50 mile mainline plus 20 miles of branch lines.
     
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    I thought they would use in-cab signaling, like the one in the NEC dlc from TSW.
     
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    The ACS-64 did. With ATC and ACSES systems included, which were broken from that route (NEC: NY), unfortunately.
     
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    Small thought, but I wonder if DTG will include AMTK 600 for the ACS-64, snice there isnt much change to the design except for the addition of David L Gunn's name to it.
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    Bonus points if they include the Veterans unit though....
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  30. Disintegration7

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    Well this is all quite interesting (assuming it's real). Highlights for me (bear in mind i play on Series X):
    + Amtrak is back!
    + New commuter railroad with MBTA
    + Improved passenger system (or are there just more of the existing dumb passengers? We need more details tbh.)
    + $30 for 3 new routes is good value.
    + UE Engine free update
    + free Series X/S and PS5 upgrades (will be interesting to see how much this improves on the current performance on those machines).

    - No mention of freight (hopefully there will be layers from other existing routes). I get this is a passenger focused update, but just my own preference is freight.

    - lots of reused rolling stock. Hopefully they get brought up to the standards of the truly new loco releases (e.g. Class 465, DB BR 101, CRR F7).

    - new passenger system won't be present on non-Rush Hour routes at launch.

    - no confirmation that HMA layers are fixed for console.

    All in all, it's more substantial than i was expecting, but the devil will be in the details. Not so long to wait though, it seems!!
     
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    A bargin if you ask me :)
     
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    Hopefully they won't come with existing bugs
     
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    My longstanding guess is that they were thinking of incorporating multiple routes/products in the New York area into one quasi-open world. So, like NEC (+CSX freight), LIRR, and maybe a Metro North and/or NYC subway route all accessible through a single initial loading screen. I suspect once the decision was made to port to consoles, it became technologically infeasible, or the existing dispatcher/signalling system simply wasn't up to the task. Still think it's a pretty fascinating idea, tbh.
     
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    Ok, this looks completely legit, there's really no reason to question this. Like, they have the artwork and everything. There's no way this could reasonably be faked this well in such a short amount of time, lol- it would have to have been done entirely after the image the other day with the boston skyline and red and white lines. we have a leak!

    Looks like I was about right, lol, it *is* Boston - Providence.

    Other than that though, while all 3 routes look nice and I'll probably buy it (maybe even on launch despite trying to only buy DLC at half price or less from now on, after all, it's 3 routes for the price of 1). But.. a few things:

    - Is the improved passenger stuff part of the free update alongside the pack or.. part of the pack? Do you have to pay for the passenger physics? Bit concerned on that one, I know there's no chance of getting an answer before May 4th and in fact these posts may even be deleted lol (to no avail, of course, the leak is out now).

    - ...there is literally no 100% new locomotives or MUs in the entire pack. The only entirely new rolling stock is coaches for MBTA, and I guess there could be new freight stuff for Riesa - Dresden. Really?

    + That being said, on a more positive note, Riesa - Dresden in particular marks the FIRST TIME that a route has come with MORE THAN 3 DRIVING CABS. Yes, they're all reused cabs, but hey, it's something. I guess 146/185 is close enough, though, so you could argue it doesn't count...

    + Also, all 3 routes sound... promising. They're all just, neat and fun routes. The NEC one sounds cool, the Brighton Mail Line has been requested for ages, and Riesa - Dresden sounds really cool with multiple branches, gotta love a good network-y route (now I've gotta research that one, lol)
     
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    If I recall, something in the files of NEC:NY referred to it as "New York Core," so... yeah, I think this was likely. They got LIRR out of it, but I guess other routes just fell through or something. Maybe just dedicating multiple US route development cycles to just New York would have been a problem as routes elsewhere in the US wouldn't have happened.

    There is *some* freight, it says Riesa - Dresden comes with an MRCE 185.5, so presumably just the one from RRO.
     
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    Oh, that's good then- was reading pretty quickly, so i just missed that lol.
     
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    The British will be waking up soon. Expect more leaks (in their collective underpants) when they see London to Brighton is included.
     
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    Well... Looks like we were right on Boston :D
     
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    I have been waiting for Brighton main line for ages it is an exciting news for me, hope DTG won't ruin it this time:love::love:
     
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    Woken up and I for one am impressed. London-Brighton is definitely a winner, kudos to DTG for not skimping on the route length, a proper route with a plausible beginning and end (like NTP). I hope there will be some freight, maybe a few class 66 (from ECW) services like SEHS. Rather chuffed about the new features and will be curious to see how well it runs natively on the PS5 compared to my PC (it runs OK now in PS4 back-compat mode but the LOD presets and mediocre quality textures are pretty bad).
     
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    All I can say is if that leak is fake it's a damn good fake. Everything about it screams authentic...from the wording of the article and accompanying FAQ to the route selections. It certainly looks the real deal. Whoever in DTG leaked this is in trouble on Monday :)
     
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    In this particular case I think it's fine. At the end is €30 for 3 routes, I can forgive reusing old stock.
     
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    But you know what? For the IC Dosto coaches, you need the high entry ones ; ) (and a new Cab car)
    Please DTG dont let it run with the IC1 cars.....
    i think the IC Services could refer to a 101 layer
     
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    Also it’s a 146.5 and Dostos of the new Generation 950BCEC0-1D55-4EED-AABA-A2B48048306F.jpeg
     
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    *If* this is all true, then the route selection is pretty good and good value at that.
    Also of note is that there maybe tweaks to current dlc's in the future to give the new 'rush hour features' mentioned at the bottom of the page. Again assuming this is all true.

    When I was reading the next gen upgrades, there was no mention of improved draw distance or resolution only improved frame rate and loading, so maybe they have just taken off the frame rate cap?

    Thoughts on when this might release?
     
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    Well the ACS-64 is also gray with a red stripe on the sides, so the red and white/light gray on the promo image may also refer to that.

    Edit: alright, just saw the link with the article, lol. Looks like the speculations about boston were correct!
     
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    Well, i thought i saw "Summer 2021" in there somewhere. Maybe late July/early August?

    Seems like this all has been in the works for a while.

    Hope they give us a date on Tuesday.
     
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    Um are DTG going to do anything about it? Lol
     
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    Let us see if anyone from DTG comments on this some time today. But someone at DTG maybe in for a bad week next week.
     
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    This does look good. London to Brighton is a modern route I would enjoy.
     
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