Well well well this info just makes dtg statement that they didn't think it was worth the time to build the correct hi door dosto for the route questionable,well clearly they had more time with skyhook helping them out and dtg reuseing already exsisting locos and wagons which needed only small to medium upgrades to them.
Because they were perhaps busy with other projects so asked for assistance. Do you work for DTG? If not then you don't know what really is happening and are just speculating. Just because someone helped with a route doesn't mean that DTG were just sitting on their butts. Same question could be asked about GCC since Rivet helped them why did we only get one loco? I don't work for them but I'm sure they don't pay their staff to sit around and have them busy with other projects. Really you have no idea what the staff is doing but I'm pretty sure they have been occupied with other things and there are reasons for these not to be included. Not laziness. Hell 5 years ago we would have been happy with just 1 route and loco per year. Now look we've become spoiled entitled brats. If you think that the job is easy or you could do it better please throw a resume their way and get hired.
We are talkiing about only one car that should have been on this route,what's this spoil brat nonsence,how is it spoiled brat to want to see the correct type of passenger car added to a route it's know to be on.None of the other train on this route are really new so there was not much to give this route a i have to buy this now feeling.This games about trains and if adding something like one new correct car isn't worth the effort then what's the point of train sim world.
Well sorry but they did they could and if you don't like it don't buy it. There are things I haven't bought for my collection because I didn't like how they were produced and I don't whine about them. And the fact you dare imply that stuff is not correct just because of laziness is very insulting to all the staff at DTG. So yeah Skyhook helped with this route, Rivet helped with GCC and TSG helped with the BR 101. But do you have the stats on what pecentage was done by these 3rd party routes? Or the amount of hours DTG staff spent on the route? But yet you assume that since they had help they should have been able to add all of these things. As an artist myself and worked on a multitude of games for EA Canada I know how much work goes into these things, how many 20 hour days you work just to make your deadline as glitches always appear on you as you add more and more. Basically you are calling all of DTG's developers are lazy sods. And sorry but you have no right to say that. They have several times stated why the correct DOSTOS was not used. And it all came down to scheduling and time. Obviously you must be an expert in this field and feel you work much more efficiently than these guys if you are going to criticize someones work ethic. So they are hiring for a program director, why don't you apply if you feel you can do better. Again I say entitled because in all honestly the bulk of people who whine on these forums about things that are so minor its a joke. So you are driving a train looking out the front of the cab. How often as an engineer do you leave your cab and go flying outside to see the wrong stock on your train in real life? So when your driving these trains your driving them from an outside view? Is that why it bothers you so much? You know thats not real simulation they don't actually drive from the outside.
I would most certainly not ascribe "laziness" or anything of the sort to DTG, or any game studio. They work their patoots off under constant deadline pressure, and over the last year in pandemic conditions as well. I do think, however, that the HBL Dostos were a miscalculation. That is, every project starts with a cost-benefit analysis, which then guides the allocation of human and time resources. I think in this case DTG underestimated the importance the player base attached to high-door vs low-door; had they anticipated the backlash then I suspect management back at the beginning would have budgeted for a new carriage, just as I think they also underestimated the opportunity cost (= lost sales, and lost full-price sales) of not allocating resources to a 101 cab car. I note that this time around NEC Boston is coming with two locos as well as a cab car; Riesa-Dresden only comes with retreads but it comes with a lot of them; and even Brighton comes with two new variants on the Electrostar. They may be hearing, from us, that rolling stock sells routes- even if one objects that all of them are based on existing locos, they still represent rather considerably more than reskins (except for DB), and the bundle is calculated to give new players a lot of trains to drive without buying additional DLC.
Wait just a minute,i never used the word lazy(You did),anyway dtg has ask for people input good or bad if you consider this bad does this mean you think everyone who post on the technical page is being whiney to?If dtg does well i'll be glad to praise there efforts,there are many routes that are great to me but if something not right i might say something as well.How can things be done better if you don't let them know what's amiss.
Your first post is basically saying they are lazy dude and that what they said doesn't matter because Skyhook helped them At least as someone who works in this industry that how it comes across to me. And next time maybe read what I said a little slower. If you think that a Dostos or no cab car is a bug then you don't know what a bug is. Does it break the game not having a low floor Dostos....no so it's not a bug. And I'm not an idiot ...I know what technical forums are for and never said their whining. i said YOU are being whiny not anyone else. This release has been out for over a month, this subject has been in all sections of this forum and discussed on streams continuously. But you seem to want keep harping on it....and not willing to accept their apologies and reasoning. That is whiny!! Especially when you start off a post so arrogantly with Well Well Well.... So well well well they had big freaking deal to work with Skyhook on a route but released the wrong cars still, they must not have cared. Let's call the programmer police. So maybe you should have posted this in the technical or suggestion forms then.
Oh my there are not enough bricks on the platform of Bad Odensloe. Maybe I should make a post in the forums because that is so important to the game as I'm looking at for 2 seconds per game. Give me a break.
If this is such a big deal then where is your post about not using the proper livery on GCC? Since most were Carmine and Cream? Hmmmmmm
From your first post, we can infer that dovetail games are lazy. This is shown through the line “didn’t think it was worth the time”. The adjective “worth” suggests that dovetail games are lazy. Furthermore, the way you have formatted your implies that Dovetail games doesn’t care about anything, which is wrong because in the recent release on the Glasgow Cathcart Circle things have appeared to massively improve and actually make an effort to ensure the route is good.
GCC is a great route and big improvement no dought, and has nothing to do with the high door dosoto it was dtg themselves who stated something to the effect of it wasn't worth the time to build a new highdoor passenger car and if you forgot there where many who expressed displeasures about it's not being included.HHL was released and was a mess either way.
Skyhook weren’t helping them out, they were contracted to do work on the construction of the route, as happens with every route, as a contractor. The Dosto is a different issue entirely. Despite people thinking it would be a minor task to change it, it would not, and it has been talked to death here on the forums that it may not have been the right decision to not make the correct one. It’s done now. No need to drag it up again because you found out a little about game development, as in not everything is done by direct employees but that external companies work on things too. That has always been the case and has nothing to do with the decision of what rolling stock to create.
I suspect that work was being done on Rush Hour/Core Update significantly prior to the announcement, which would have been during the same period of development of the recently released routes. To get a major core update and three complete new routes and associated locos built and tested, I would imagine takes a longer time than the period between the announcement and the (probable) August release date.
For goodness sake, who cares if a door handle or a window or some other minor point are not 100% acurate, I just enjoy doing something I'm never going to be able to in real life, ie drive a train.
Well hopefully with a project as huge Rush Hour,DTG brings in all there 3rd parties companies(RG/SH/TSG)to maximize the required amount of effort needed to get everything done right and on time and hopefully fully tested for this one.So everyone will want to buy it on day one,knowing it will be great.
