Crossing Borders: Oberhausen-arnhem Railway

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  1. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Hi Guys, It's me Driverwoods#1787 presenting an international route that will fill the gap between the proposed Dutch Route network and the HRR. This the Duisburg-Oberhausen-Arnhem Railway.
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    Description
    This is the Oberhausen-Arnhem Railway that links the Netherlands with Germany via the Emmerich Border Station. Length is 92 km 1 km shorter than the longest route in-game LGV Mediterranee Line Avignon Marseille at 93 km. Voltages and Signaling systems on this route are 1.5kv dc Arnhem-Zevenaar ATB followed by the 25kv 50hz Zevenvaar-Emmerich section ETCS for trains that use the Betuweroute. Lastly is the 15kv 16.7hz Emmerich-Oberhausen Duisburg Section which uses PZB Sifa & LZB. This route acts as the Eastern Extension of Another proposed TSW 2 route Amsterdam Arnhem. Route length is 99 km if this were to link to HRR at Duisburg Hbf ICE Freight and Mulheim an Der Ruhr Styrum for the S3 Freight Bochum Ehrenfeld-Zevenaar. This route uses the common origin point Duisburg Hbf Oberhausen Hbf & Mülheim an der Ruhr Styrum to seamlessly merge this onto Hauptstrecke Rhein Ruhr

    Rolling Stock & Services
    Note other rolling stock for this route is found on these other Dutch & cross-border Netherlands to Germany routes like creeperblox2710's Amsterdam-Arnhem & jolojonasgames Onsabrück-Henglo & Enschede-AmserfootCS.
    Route Specific Ones are the following

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    Et25 Flirt 3 these are used for Arnhem to Oberhausen Services and are tri voltage & multi signaling systems equipped 1.5kv ATB EG/NG dc 25kv 50hz ETCS & 15kv 16.7hz PZB LZB & Sifa for RE19.
    DB BR189 with C-Akv coupler or buffers and chains
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    These are used for the Iron ore trains with C-Akv couplers equipped on the Faals Ore wagons & double formation. For the Rotterdam, Dillingen trips via Koln & Duisburg then the West Rhine Railway. Others are the buffers & chains for general freight including coal wagons Falns type and Laaers 560 car transporter tanker wagons Zacns & paper roll Habbiins 344. These are equipped with ATB ETCS PZB LZB & Sifa signalling systems. For Units using C-Akv couplers, these can also run with Falnqqs 130 Coal Wagons which are related to existing Falns 183 wagons but equipped with C-Akv couplers P brake mode required. Load wise it has a max load of 64.5 tonnes volume 86 cubic metres making it slightly larger than a Falns 183
    Falnqqs 130 wagon picture taken by Michael Bohn website is Dybas.de
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    DB BR 146.0
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    DB BR146.0 used for the RE5 Wesel to Koblenz Services via Duisberg & Koln. Route pre-2016 went to the Emmerich border station. They're the push-pull train sets for the route found with Dostos. Can be substituted by DB BR146.2 if either Main Spessart Bahn or Riesa-Dresden is owned.
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    These used to do the Rotterdam-Dillengen Iron Ore trains duties before the Betuweroute DB Br189 C-Akv couplers took over their duties by loco switching for a Dutch NS6400 locomotives at Emmerich in triple formation. Couplers when doing Iron Ore Train duties are the Unicoupler type found on the Falns Iron Ore Wagons. Can also provide Main Spessart Bahn services.
    Layered From other Routes
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    For All TSW 2 owners, the DB BR406 Standard with SKA is usable on this route by Providing Express services between Duisburg & Oberhausen Hbf to Arnhem then onto Amsterdam.
    DB BR232
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    If Ruhr Sieg Nord is owned with DB BR232 DLC and used in a special Timetable mode pre-2016 upgrade of Emmerich Zevenaar ETCS signaling 25kv 50hz by having that portion of the route use ATB & 1.5kv DC with DB BR232 providing Coal freight services.
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    Taken by Hp Teuschmann on Bahnbilder.de. If Westbahn Salzburg-Wien or any OBB routes that have Nightjet services this will spawn at Duisburg Hbf being the 07:47 Duisburg 08:47 Arnhem.

    Videos

    Video is by Rail Public Transport comments are in Dutch and German Languages.

    Video is by Arjen V Cabrides of Oberhausen Emmerich Section in 2014. Comment and Video description are in the Dutch Language. The locomotive is Class 66 currently in Game in GWML & ECW

    Video is by Trainviking on ICE Line 78 Amsterdam to Basel via Frankfurt Duisburg & Oberhausen. Train used is SKA DB BR406
    RE19 Duisburg Arnhem

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    Oberhausen Hbf Terminus of the Line and HRR S3 if Adam's preservation Team decided to join HRR with my suggestion from Mulheim. Currently exists in Hauptstrecke Rhein-Ruhr as a portal
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    Arnhem CS Terminus of the Oberhausen Arnhem Railway. Line continues to Amsterdam as Arnhem-Amsterdam Railway
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    Duisburg Hbf the terminus of both Oberhausen Arnhem and an existing route in game Haputstrecke Rhein-Ruhr were to be linked to each other. Provided DTG wants a linked route with HRR and is also an international route. Locomotives are DB BR 111 not in-game but DB BR425 is in-game for HRR layers onto SKA HMA suggested for Main Spessart Bahn
    Gameplay & Future
    Players will need to be used to the three signalling systems used on the railway line they're the Dutch ATB system followed by the European Union ETCS and the German PZB LZB Sifa System. That also includes three voltage changes 25kv 50 Hz to both 1.5kv DC & 15kv 16.7hz AC overhead wires. In-game they're on Main Spessart Bahn Ruhr Sieg Nord Ruhr Sieg Osten HRR HMA & SKA routes. Additionally, the route links up to HRR at Oberhausen & Duisburg Hbf which would mean one can operate two different trains one for the HRR other for Oberhausen-Arnhem Railway. If HRR Oberhausen Section is not made then an extension to Duisburg Hbf is made to link Oberhausen-Arnhem with HRR. Distance is 99 km from Arnhem to Duisburg making it shorter by 6 km than Riesa-Dresden at 105 km. Further future-proofing is that This route HDA combined with HRR and my Bochum-Hagen/Dortmund suggestion which includes the Hagen Vorhalle Rbf as a bundle called the Netherlands and the Ruhr. If made for TSW 3 HDA Hollandstrecke Duisburg Arnhem gives the training centre movement tutorials for DB BR1429 tri voltage & 189 occur at Training Centre but PZB ETCS ATB EG/NG Tutorial occurs at Emmerich Am Rhein to Zevenaar section. The reason is that for each Train Protection System those are covered by different voltages PZB 15kv ETCS 25kv AC and ATB EG/NG 1.5kv DC
     
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  2. anas.hera

    anas.hera Active Member

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    I’d definitely buy this route, a pleasant mix of freight and passenger, great rolling stock (flirt and 189) and it’s another route which is suitable for the 406. Great suggestion.
     
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  3. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    However I agree with you and it's going to require the SKA DB BR406 to be fitted with ATB the Dutch train safety system the European Version of LIRR former Pennsylvania Railroad pulse code signaling Arnhem to Zenvaar 1.5kv DC and ETCS Zenvaar-Emmerich 25kv 50hz. On the other hand DB BR189 will give the community Heavy 6 kiloton iron ore trains PZB U required Like a Main Spessart Bahn Double Header freight and Banking locomotive services. The Bonus of this route is that links up with an existing route Haputstrecke Rhein-Ruhr at Duisburg Hbf or Oberhausen Hbf if S3 DB BR422/425 was extended to meet with this cross-border line from Mulheim. Perhaps Dovetail games can introduce the Netherlands with this route or Its Dutch Section Arnhem Amsterdam Railway. Not sure if you own Ruhr-Sieg Nord? If you do Own Ruhr-Sieg Nord Both DB BR363 can work at Arnhem CS Emmerich and Duisburg Yards. DB BR232 freight services together with DB BR189 towards Arnhem from Duisburg and Oberhausen Yards.
     
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  4. Benelux62

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    This route are very nice
    but build it to Düsseldorf or until Cologne.
    it will be better.
     
  5. simontreanor81

    simontreanor81 Well-Known Member

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    I'd love to see this - the changing of voltage (sometimes loco) at Emmerich would make for some interesting actvities. It'd be nice to see an NS1700 in the mix too.
     
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  6. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    You mean the pre 2016 25kv Zenvaar-Emmerich section to which ATB EG 1.5kv DC went to Emmerich Station. However that requires a German locomotive layered from Haputstrecke Rhein-Ruhr DB BR101 that route is linked to this one at Duisburg and Oberhausen Hbf Portals. Even a Riesa-Dresden proposed DLC DB BR145 can attach to the NS1700 locomotive at Emmerich. If ÖBB TSW 2 route comes in then ÖBB1293 200 Nightjet is playable on this route instructions for that is operate the Sleeper train to Arnhem where a NS1700 locomotive comes in to operate the train Amsterdam Arnhem CS section.
     
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  7. simontreanor81

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    oh I didn't realise they'd moved the changeover point. Presumable to do with the Betuwelijn
     
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  8. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    The problem with Betuweroute is that it's ETCS from Emmerich to Rotterdam no ATB EG NG. Best bet is merging my suggestion Duisburg Oberhausen-Arnhem Railway with Haputstrecke Rhein-Ruhr via Duisburg and Oberhausen Hbf via Mülheim Portal. If you look up Amsterdam Arnhem on the TSW2 forums that's the Dutch Domestic Section.
     
  9. LodeStar

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    An interesting video made by Albert Kok has been released yesterday about this specific route, he joined a raildriver in his journey from Arnhem to Oberhausen HBF (and further) in an ICE v.v. :

     
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  10. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    You mean the whole Arnhem to Duisburg trip with working 8,6,13,14 ATB EG NG indicators. At Köln Hbf the Amsterdam Utrecht Arnhem Oberhausen Duisburg ICE 3M goes on it's own or Combined with SKA ICE3M to Frankfurt Am Main Hbf via Flughafen Frankfurt. Since that's just watching the video it's the exact cab on SKA DB BR406 with ETCS switch working required for Zevenaar-Emmerich section. Side panel LZB Sifa PZB switch. DB BR406 ICE3 is owned by NS Dutch Railways
     
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  11. kjeld.dejager

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    This would be gorgous maybe can it further to Duisburg then has it a nice connection
     
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  12. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    99 km Duisburg Hbf Arnhem and a Benefit of Duisburg Oberhausen-Arnhem Railway is that Hauptstrecke rhein ruhr Duisburg Hbf will be busy since trains from the Netherlands stop at Oberhausen & Duisburg Hbf then Düsseldorf eventually the Austrian capital of Wien via Main Spessart Bahn Aschaffenburg-Lohr. If DTG wants more sales for DLC routes then they can Bundle Amsterdam Arnhem Railway HDA Hollandstrecke Duisburg-Oberhausen-Arnhem HRR RRO RSN as Train Sim World 2 Amsterdam and the Ruhr. That includes my other suggestion Hagen Dortmund Bochum
     
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  13. kjeld.dejager

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    like a bundel is that impressive and fun
     
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  14. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    I agree and we already have the Schnellfahrstrecke Köln-Aachen ICE3M DB BR406 having Dutch ATB EG NG top right.
     
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  15. kjeld.dejager

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    the only thing that needs than in the train is a little update that you really can select the pantograph that cant now (i tried several times) and that there comes ETCS and ATB (EG, + and NG)
     
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  16. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Ok then and also ATB EG and NG lamps you see this on the top right side
     
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  17. kjeld.dejager

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    is that already in game didn’t notice that or comes that then in game?
     
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    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    It's in game for DB BR406 including the Switch to activate it but non-functioning
     
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  19. kjeld.dejager

    kjeld.dejager Active Member

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    oke
     
  20. trainmasteraiden

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    does Skyhook Games Have Metra Licence For TSW2?
     
  21. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Off-topic here this is actually an international route that links HRR with the Dutch Network
     
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    Nice Necropost ;). Also why did you post that here it has nothing to do with anything posted here.
     
  23. B100S

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    Great suggestion for an interesting line (three different voltages and train protection systems and plenty of traffic).
    I'll just throw in some suggestions to make the most out of it.
    Route:
    • Include Oberhausen West yard.
      It is located right around the corner from the mainline and is frequently used for crew and loco changes on trains to and from "Holland" which makes it the ideal place to start and end freight workings at the southern end.
      The semaphore signals and plenty of scope for AI freight trains are a very nice bonus.
    • Depending on the when the route is set, the branch from Wesel to Bocholt would make a rather neat addition
    Rolling stock:
    • Include both the multisystem (class 2429) and single system (class 1429) variant of the Flirt 3 as both are used on the RE19
    • Falrrs wagons (basically the same thing in married pairs) instead of Faals for the iron ore trains.
    • Desiro HC for the RE 5 workings (they have been in use since 2019 and are a welcome change from the usual 146 and Dostos
     
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  24. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    You are correct and how about merging this with Hauptstrecke Rhein Ruhr that way you can get DB Baureihe 1429 2429 S3 Oberhausen Hauptbahnhof Mülheim an der Ruhr Styrum Essen Steele Ost runs. If I remember correctly there are steel mills off Hauptstrecke Rhein Ruhr. Those actually need Faals Falrrs Iron Ore Wagons. Remember the iron ore trains takes longer to accelerate from a red stop under Punktförmige Zugbeeinflussung PZB.
    Since I planned this route to merge with HRR. HRR now becomes Hollandstrecke Duisburg/Bochum Arnhem. Regarding Oberhausen West is that yard equipped with a hump Ablaufberg in Deutsche Bahn Netze documents or not? Since we can use 204 363 365 if one has Niddertalbahn Bad Vilbel Glauburg-Stockheim owned and lastly RRO G6 inside Rbf Oberhausen West. If yes then the game needs Hump Yard Physics for Rbf Oberhausen West. Regarding Desiro HC are you referring to a DB Baureihe 462 or not? I can see owners of Duisburg-Oberhausen-Arnhem Hollandstrecke merged with HRR Hollandstrecke Duisburg/Bochum Oberhausen Arnhem using the 462 here on a Baden-Württemberg American sector route. In return we can get it's 462 Here.
     
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  25. B100S

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    Oberhausen West still has a hump (located next to Orm signal box in the middle) but hump shunting there ceased in 2006 (not exactly surprising considering that Oberhausen-Osterfeld yard with at least one active hump is only a few kilometers to the east).
    The perfect loco for shunting and local trips would be a class 294.

    The relevant Desiro HC units of the RRX are indeed class 462 but I don't know if there are any differences to the class 1462 units "down south".

    There are two local steelworks but they get most of their iron ore per barge with the trains supplying Dillingen.

    For a merge, I'll also throw in the lines between Oberhausen West/Abzweig Oro and Abzweig Duissern as an alternative way to Duisburg.
     
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    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the input. I can see Hollandstrecke Bochum/Arnhem being the improvement for HRR. That makes Mülheim Styrum busy with some trains running to Duisburg Hbf others use Mülheim an der Ruhr Styrum juction to access Hollandstrecke Duisburg Oberhausen Arnhem 99km
     
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    I'm sorry, how many likes!? Jokes aside very good suggestion!
     
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    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    The reason why it has this many likes it's obviously designed to merge with the Dutch spoorlijn Amsterdam Centraal Utrecht Arnhem since there is a suggestion on it here and the existing Bahnstrecke Witten Dortmund-Oberhausen/Duisburg Hauptstrecke Rhein-Ruhr by crossing the border from Germany to the Netherlands. When you are playing this with a keyboard on consoles remember Control Shift P drop Pantographs Shift P close MCB P raise Pantograph. Screenwise this will say continue the journey please change power to AC DC and AC to AC power that is the Emmerich am Rhein Grenze Zevenaar Betuweroute junction section ETCS 25kv 50hz and then DC Zevenaar Arnhem Centraal. Emmerich am Rhein Duisburg Hbf-Bochum Hbf Punktförmige Zugbeeinflussung ( Delete End & Page Down) 15kv 16.7hz like all German non HSR routes.
     
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  29. misterjj

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    I really like this route because i drive it every day. But will it ever be built?
     
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    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Good question and if built this would simply attach to HRR 2.0 by sharing both Duisburg and Oberhausen making HRR the HDBA Hollandstrecke Duisburg/Bochum-Arnhem. Remember to use shift p to lower the pans Shift Control P MCB Open and then use Control P MCB Close P Raise Pans on the section Emmerich to Arnhem due to the Zevenaar voltage change. Failure to do so results in the game saying to continue the trip please change voltage.
     

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