Native Linux Support

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  1. papasfilms#8157

    papasfilms#8157 New Member

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    I had over 400 hours of playtime on my old Xbox. Sadly, I no longer have access to it or the account containing the game and DLC. That's why I bought the game on steam.

    My PC has been running Linux for over 5 years and I'm not switching back to windows any time soon. Luckily, Valve has a tool that allows you to play any windows game on Linux (It's called Steam Play and it uses WINE). Sadly, it doesn't work well with TSW2 or TS2022. It runs fine when you are playing the default routes but when you load a DLC the text becomes buggy, saves don't work and the performance is horrible. (Also the game crashes randomly)

    Is it too much to ask for native Linux support? I don't like having spent all that money for a game I can't even play.
     
  2. DTG Matt

    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    Unfortunately native Linux support is unlikely to happen. It works fine on the Steam Deck however which I believe runs Linux so perhaps there's improvements coming with Steam Play as part of that?
     
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  3. chacal#2181

    chacal#2181 Well-Known Member

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    Well, cant you just dual boot a windows session only for TSW2 and other sims/games ?
    IMO It would be faster than waiting for an eventual Linux port..
     
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  4. papasfilms#8157

    papasfilms#8157 New Member

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    The Steam Deck runs Arch Linux but all the steam play improvements will be exclusive to the Steam Deck OS or it will take a while before arriving on steam desktop. Valve hasn't announced what they'll end up doing, yet.

    I know that Linux gamers are only 1% of steam users so I get why you will not add that kind of support. (If I see a macOS support coming tho... *kidding*)

    Also, thank you so much for replying! I love the streams, professor.
     
  5. papasfilms#8157

    papasfilms#8157 New Member

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    Not really. Windows boot manager really likes to think that windows is the only OS installed so it overrides GRUB and Linux becomes unbootable. This happens even if the OSes are installed on different hard drives.

    Also, most of my games work fine with Steam Play (OMSI2) or have native support (Euro Truck Simulator 2)
     
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    chacal#2181 Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunate... maybe with an a older version of Windows ? I'm pretty sure that i have seen windows 7 along linux configs. M'y last dual boots are back to windows XP so wont be able to help but googling dual boot windows and Linux seems to give some clues.

    But installing windows after Linux will bring more headache than contrary...
     
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    I have Windows 11 and Ubuntu on different SSDs without this issue. (Apologies if this starts to get a bit technical for thus forum), you need to ensure each drive has its own EFI partition and then use your UEFI boot menu to select the OS.
     
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    papasfilms#8157 New Member

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    I can't really do that because in order to install Windows you need a Drivers CD and I don't have that so I can only install windows through Windows TO GO and force it to never update which is almost impossible.

    +I don't really want to use windows.
     
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    Nope. Same bootloader. Just different versions. it wipes GRUB every time windows updates itself without asking)
     
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    Just showing it is possibly when you were stating it wasn’t working or state why you couldn’t do it. I understand your desire, but having been in IT since the ‘80s and remember when GNU was released by Stallman that started the free OS revolution.

    Just saying in all that time, gaming support has always been spotty or a compromise. So if in 40 plus years, the commercial market for Unix has not grown to a substantial size to support the native development of mainstream games, it probably will not be happening.

    So the choice is put up with emulation such as wine etc where you might have some success for some, or dual-boot if you have an application that will not work natively in Unix or via emulation. Just the experience of a Unix/GNU/Linux user from the ‘80s to present.

    good luck with it all.
     
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  13. papasfilms#8157

    papasfilms#8157 New Member

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    It's just that I don't game often. I don't have a lot of free time. When I want to play a game I want to be able to just launch it within seconds and play for 10 to 30 mins. It's not that I hate Windows. It's just that my experience with it hasn't been the best. I'll just get a refund on the latest DLCs that I bought (If steam will let me because I have over 2 hours of playime) and just play the Bakerloo which is the only one I like.

    Thanks for your tip!
     
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  14. tbaac

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    I much prefer Linux to Windows (especially due to MSFS where 3rd party installers assume that you are running MSFS as administrator and save settings during installation to c:\users\<admin_account>\appdata\, that really makes me wish for a modern OS, although part of that is due to the culture in Microsoft Flight Simulation rather than Windows itself).
    But yeah, I gave up on the idea of trying to get the games that I liked working on Linux (What's that? Wine? Ooo. Oh.) or to find alternatives that work natively on Linux, although flightgear is pretty cool.
    Dual booting has worked for me in the past, but then another possibility might be to have a usb key with the Linux bootloader on it. In theory, Windows takes care of itself that way, and you just boot from the usb stick when you want to run Linux.
     
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  15. papasfilms#8157

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    Linux is my daily driver. I boot up linux every single day of the year. I spend more than 12 hours a day on it. Whereas I play games once a week.
     
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  16. DTG Matt

    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    Valve have always been big supporters of the "anti-windows-dependency" movement by building lots of stuff that helps let games on Steam run on Linux. I have full faith that they will continue this and back port the work and improvements they've done for the deck over to the main PC environment, I can't imagine a good reason why having gone this far they won't do that.

    My days with Linux were back in early Slackware, running 0.xx versions of the kernel and then later on into Redhat and a smidge of Debian (though mostly Redhat and other RPM based systems due to familiarity). I had a major falling out with Linux as a server-platform while running UKTS in the early days when there was a 0-day vulnerability patched in Sendmail that was essential to be installed - but they wrapped it up in a massive core change which implemented a new configuration file format that resulted in a friend and I spending something like 10 hours bringing the server back online again since we had a massive config file for everything that we did on there.

    I changed the servers over to being Windows based, probably a decade or more ago now, and have never looked back once, infinitely easier to manage and maintain, not a single issue with security and any updates have been flawlessly easy.

    I spent some time with it when I worked at British Telecom - I put it on my desktop PC instead of Windows, which was particularly nice on the DEC Alpha server I managed to pinch and stick on my desk (Linux being far superior to the old DEC Unix that thing ran!) but that mostly played well because everything in that environment was Unix of some sort so it was much easier to connect to things with built in tools rather than a bunch of odd windows clients.

    These days Linux is on my Raspberry Pi units (raspbian, yes, APT got me in the end) and it runs beautifully on there.

    We did flirt with Linux and MacOs versions of the game in the early days but UE4's support for those platforms was absolutely woeful and it was going to be a massive effort to get them running decently and looking good - and certainly not the justification for that versus spending more time on the Windows platform 99% of users had (this being pre-console of course). It wasn't all lost though - the work we did making it all build and run on Linux turned out to be in our favour for when we start building the game for PS4 as the build path isn't too dissimilar.

    Matt.
     
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    I too was a dyed in the wool Linux man - until I got into Train Simulator last year. It's just not worth the time to get games running. I bought a decent PC, put Windows 10 on it and play on this machine. All my other machines run various forms of Linux .
     
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    papasfilms#8157 New Member

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    Thank you so much for taking the time to reply.

    (APT is not really the best)

    I understand what you are saying. I really do. Valve is really into Linux gaming so I am expecting them to push all proton (Steam Play) updates to the desktop launcher. Luckily, TS2022 runs fine except for some glitches with the GUI. (Although I haven't tried any DLCs yet).

    There are actually some rumors that UE5 will allow devs to package their games to Windows, macOS, and Linux without any (or at least major) work from the devs. (I don't really believe this because Epic has support only for Windows. They would have to make their launcher Linux and macOS compatible. But you never know!)

    Lastly, something I realized is that the DTG logo on TSW2 is a bit off-centered when the animation reveals it (when launching the game. Both console and PC). Just wanted to let you know! Not a biggie.

    Sorry if this reply is a bit weird but I just woke up and realized that YOU replied... AGAIN! I'm nervous and excited!

    Let's hope that one day either Proton will handle the game(s. Both TSW2 and TS20XX) better or supporting Linux and macOS will become easier.

    Have a good one!
    -Angelos
     
  19. papasfilms#8157

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    Actually, Train Simulator works fine out-of-the-box with Proton (Steam Play) on the 64bit version.

    Also, I don't have the money for a second PC and I don't really want to have to have windows installed.
     
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    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    UE4 had the same claim, so I am holding out no expectations on that front at all :)
     
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    Has DTG got a Steam Deck then? Will be interesting to see how well it’ll run TSW, certainly going to try it when I get mine.
     
  22. papasfilms#8157

    papasfilms#8157 New Member

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    Ohhhh... lol.

    I guess Unity won on the cross-platform aspect of gave dev
     

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