Workshop Metropolitan Line

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  1. torfmeister

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    Do you think that the Metropolitan Line showing up as a workshop requirement even though the scenario does not need it could be a marketing trick pushing the sales a little for the DLC (as it has mostly negative reviews)?

    It's funny that this has not been fixed yet.
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  2. nwp1

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    Metropolitan line is one of the best routes in Train Simulator. Certainly as good as Western Mainlines and Midland Mainlines. If you haven’t got it, it is really worth purchasing. I hope Just Trains produce it for TSW2

    Wish someone would make the Piccadilly line.
     
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  3. torfmeister

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    While this is not what my question is about, I'm curious because most Steam reviews say it's broken.
     
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    It's not. I bought the Steam version before Christmas and it works fine. Either those reviews are out of date or their machines can't handle the route as it is quite intensive. I'm only getting 15 FPS in places.
     
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    I bought the route directly from Just Trains not from Steam and haven’t had a problem with it.
     
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  6. torfmeister

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    I'll get it on the next sale, thanks.
     
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    Steam has been reporting routes not needed for scenarios for several years - one of the Workshop quirks I guess.
    The reason the steam reviews say the Metropolitan Line is broken is because quite a few of us cannot run certain scenarios - OOMs and that has been misreported as "broken"! This happens in either the JT or the Steam version.
    I can run most scenarios - just 3 or 4 causing issues - reported to JT when the ML was released. - no fix.
    Most simmers do not have any issues with any scenario in the ML.
     
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  8. torfmeister

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    Yes, but hasn't Metropolitan been the only "wrong" requirement in the workshop? I mean this must be easy to fix that's why I was guessing it could be some sort of marketing trick making people buy it because they think they need it.
     
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    I bought it directly from JT about 3 months ago for the VDL and I still haven't played either yet. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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    No, London goblin Lines is another favourite "quirk".
     
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  11. torfmeister

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    Right-o! Before Met came out I guess. Let's see which one's next.
     
  12. jklimentowski

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    Metropolitan is amazing but indeed it has some problems. I mostly get 15 FPS there on lowest setting while on other routes I get 30 FPS easily. Not sure why - it doesn't seem more intensive than Chiltern or Aylesbury which cover same region and run much more smoothly. I would highly recommend it but only for the strongest CPUs.
     
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  13. torfmeister

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    A thing that happens in recent routes, and often due to rolling stock design. Many EMU/DMUs do not have a separate CabView model, meaning that the cab interiors of each AI train near you are rendered in full detail. You see this when you're stationary in the the cab and press "8". In older models you'd suddenly see the simplified low-poly interior without knobs and levers, which is much more FPS friendly and was designed following the rule "don't render what you're not supposed to see". Relying more on CPU/GPU power they are going away from that.
     
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    Do you have any examples?
    Most of the stock I have shows a low quality cab when you press "8"
     
  15. torfmeister

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    One example would be Birmingham XC's Class 323.
    WCML South Class 390
    WCML South Class 377 (just knobs and handles removed, still hi-poly)
    Hamburg S1 - BR 114 (the end of Last Train Home where you enter the depot full of trains brings FPS down massively to below 5 on my system - this one's an example of how not to model, reminds me of how TSW had performance problems in the beginning because they did not make LOD models/mipmaps - just render all details no matter how far away it is)
     
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    Thanks
     
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    Negative. Edinburgh to Newcastle has a bad flag that is different than its actual one. Meanwhile, the York-Peterborough scenario pack has also tagged to scenarios, but it's possible it might get used for a 158 or some stock that is somehow tied to that pack. In any case, it might be a flag turned on in the scenario that never gets turned off; that flag may be triggering a DLC that doesn't exist on a user's machine. You can remove the Class 86 and replace it with a Class 87, but without removing that flag, the Class 86 is still required.
     
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    Indeed must be the case. I had FPS problems with Hamburg S1 too and was surprised as the route doesn't look very detailed. Is there any way to solve this other than manualy removing other traffic from QD and scenarios? Going down with scenery quality to minimum helps a bit but it makes the player cab quality worse too...
     
  19. torfmeister

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    I'd say unless you swap the 114 for something else I don't see how you can maintain FPS with heavy traffic (unless you buy a super high-end gaming pc) - and traffic makes the scenarios realistic. I've got the virtualRailroads ExpertLine BR 112, will use that as a replacement (It's technically almost the same as the 114 - all derivates from the East German DR 243).
     
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