I'm wondering as the 221 has the tilt function, shouldn't it be allowed to travel much faster than the regular speed limits? I found it to run smoothly at 100/120 mph in most sections without danger of derailing. I mean there's no point for a company to buy expensive tilted trains if there's no advantage in using them. Anyone ever rode a 221 in Wales? Do they really "crawl" with 70/90 mph to Llandudno/Holyhead?
Only certain sections of track are authorised for trains to Tilt Special Speed Boards with EPS on them tell the driver he can run at the Higher Speed https://www.alamy.com/speed-limit-1...t-carnforth-lancashire-uk-image209672889.html The board in the picture shows 110mph for non tilting stock and 125mph for Pendolinos and Voyagers "Anyone ever rode a 221 in Wales? Do they really "crawl" with 70/90 mph to Llandudno/Holyhead?" I think a train running at 90mph is hardly "Crawling" - It does run at those speeds It is normally a thru services from London Euston where it does run up to 125mph south of Crewe
If you think 90 mph is crawling, can't imagine what you would think of the state of intercity travel in America
Upgrading a line for higher speeds is only economically viable if there is a significant decrease in journey times because of it. The upgrade to 100mph on the section from Folkestone to Tonbridge was only introduced for the Eurostars and had little impact. Similarly, the short-lived 100mph section on the Brighton Main Line was useless (and now decommissioned I believe) as the 319s, the only trains allowed to reach that speed, were too underpowered to reach that speed for a significant amount of time.* Given the distance of the route, a speed limit increase would have very minor improvements for journey times. HS2 is faster by more the 100mph over the WCML yet London-Birmingham is still only 15 minutes faster. It's only the longer distances where speed increases have improvements, which is why London-Manchester will be an hour faster on High Speed 2. *Of course, the whole Connex Express scheme was a bit pointless, since the 319s chosen for the service were less comfortable than the regular slam-door stock which were barely slower. And even then, IIRC the Voyagers are still limited as their maximum tilt angle is less than the 390s.
I thought tonight for a change from freight duties I would try the 221 Super Voyager, it sounds awful!
America and passenger trains... I know. I put crawling in quotation marks because there's apparently no advantage in having a tilting train running between Crewe and Holyhead. That was my question if it was not allowed to go faster than a normal train because it can handle higher curve speeds - it was built for this purpose. Or to make it short: Are there no Special Speed Boards for tilting trains between Crewe and Holyhead? I think Peter answered this question.
Heck, run the Voyager on a passenger tour of Marias Pass. They include an American livery. Fictional, of course. I suggest a route starting or ending at Essex, maybe to Glacier Park or however that is called.
Tilt trains can run slightly faster than conventional trains through curves (as long as they're not too sharp), on regular straight line, they run at the same speed as any other train
Real Tilting trains can only run at Higher than normal Speeds - Where Authorised In the game you do what you want
Yeah, nice. All I wanted was to know if they are allowed to go faster than normal trains between Crewe and Holyhead in real life.
In the curves, probably. Otherwise, possibly but less likely. I know in Norway, tilting trains may run up to 10 km/h above posted speed through curves, but on straight track they generally follow the regular speed limits, sometimes they're allowed 5 km/h above.
For 10kph it's hardly worth the initial cost even in Norway where there's hardly a straight piece of track anywhere.
Brilliant. I approve. Been thinking of doing something with it there myself since I've shown both the route and the train on my channel already.
