Öbb 1063!no Info Here!why?

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  1. steamylocoman

    steamylocoman Well-Known Member

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    Why no info about ÖBB 1063 that it is coming to Trainsimluator?
    There are info about this on Twitter but not on this page.
     
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  3. torfmeister

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    Well it's a fine engine, detailed cab and realistic startup procedure. This deserves the ProRange badge.
     
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    I hope someone devises a method of starting the d—n thing easily, I can’t so it’s an expensive scenery item.
     
  6. torfmeister

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    Uhm, it's explained in detail in the manual.
     
  7. hayward.john48

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    I know. I get giddy going from one side to the other and I not certain which desk I am supposed to be on. Moving around the cab is not smooth and easy. I accept this nonsense on “expert” but this was not sold by RSSLO as “expert ONLY”. Life is too short for spending 30 minutes to NOT start.
     
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  8. torfmeister

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    You can do the whole startup from the middle camera (press RightArrow key once), between the two middle desks. Once you know how it's done it'll take not more than a minute.
     
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  9. hayward.john48

    hayward.john48 Well-Known Member

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    Well I have given up as I have spent far too much time on the 1063 and I have far better things to spend my time doing. A simple “running” mode as an option would be a sensible provision. In the meantime it will be scenery or AI only.
     
  10. torfmeister

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    Oh come on - it's a sim and simulating real operation can be fun... quick guide:

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    edit: forgot light switch and reverser button;)
     
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  11. LastTrainToClarksville

    LastTrainToClarksville Well-Known Member

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    I would gladly buy this $19.99 DLC, read the manual, and learn how to drive this unusual engine, but there is a $39.99 catch involved called the Tirol: Brenner - Kufstein route. Oh, yes -- let's not forget the catch to the catch: the $19.99 European Loco & Asset Pack (which I acquired years ago). So, that's a total of $79.97 for the opportunity of trying out this interesting engine.

    Personally, I'll be waiting for a serious sale. However, I do want to compliment DTG for continuing to provide owner's manuals for their DLC packages, a treat that TSW2 fans can only dream of except for packages made by 3rd party providers, who understand the value of manuals.
     
  12. torfmeister

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    I've already got the Kufstein route, so for the top notch quality of this engine €13.99 was a bargain for me.

    Even if you don't have the route you can still use it elsewhere.
     
  13. Cyclone

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    Please don't play a flight sim if that's how you would approach it. Not opting to read a manual that gives you information on how to run the item you just purchased is like trying to use your Roomba without learning how to empty it when it gets full. And flight sims get WAY more complicated.
     
  14. torfmeister

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    I got so much enjoyment and satisfaction of mastering the Zibo-737 Cold Start on X-Plane 11. The pinnacle of simulation.
     
  15. Cuddy_Man

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    Isn't the European Loco & Asset Pack included with the Steam version of the Tirol: Brenner - Kufstein route? So not something extra to buy?
     
  16. torfmeister

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    Yes. And it is bundled with so many other routes, there's no reason to ever buy these core assets separately.

    https://steamdb.info/app/208300/subs/
     
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    Frankly, it seems like a scam to still offer it for sale the way it is - as in, someone will spend $10 even at 50% off then buy a route that includes it next time out. It really should just be listed as part of various packs on the store page as some are already cheaper than just that package - or even just make it free by this point. It was even included in TS2022 because of the Cross City route. So the buyer must always be aware of what he or she is buying; I didn't even know I got the U.S. one until I looked one day after buying Donner Pass (early in my TS career) and later seeing the pack, and wondering how I got that. Became a SteamDB master later.
     
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  18. hayward.john48

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    Please don’t insult my intelligence. I have read the manual, I have it printed out and bound, more times than I can remember and I know what I have to do but moving around the cab using the mouse and or keyboard disorientate me. I end up not sure which desk I am at and have even got to the point (once) where I thought - done it and still it wouldn’t move. That was on the 25th February this year after assistance from Peter 749006. I want to be able to run such an excellently modelled engine, which I purchased from RSSLO on the day it was released, but I won’t live long enough to do all the other things I want to do in life.
    I did contact RSSLO and they responded very quickly “it is as it is” which I thought was an excellent use of English but didn’t help me.
    FYI I have no interest in flight sims or any other games and not because of manuals because of total disinterest. In any event as I understand it in flying the pilot does the start up from his seat not darting around the cockpit from one panel to another but that is for another game not here.
    Please do not make insulting assumptions, you might have the courtesy to ask in future or even assume that I might have read it but not understand it rather than “ not opting to read “. Being able to read is the difference between apes and mankind.
    All I asked for was a Reppo GP20 type option where you can opt to go through the start up from cold or to hit the cab warm.
    Mr admin - that was not a rant and I have been polite.
     
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  19. steamylocoman

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    I am thinking about buying this DLC but after reading the comments I am not so sure about it anymore.

    What do you people really think about this DLC?
     
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    Another post of the "it cost so much but you need to spend loads more" - No you don't.

    That fact that the loco can be used on ANY Electrified route seems to have escaped you - this is not TSW2
    And why buy a DLC if you are only going to play the Three included scenarios?
    If you owned the Tirol route would you not use the loco after playing those scenarios

    You already own the European Loco & Asset Pack so why are you putting that down as an extra cost?
     
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  21. 749006

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    I like the loco - having gone thru the startup sequence it is easy to shunt or just drive on the mainline
    https://jw218344testblog.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/4895526654_6e4c834603_o.jpg?w=1100
    They are used as trip locos and they even had passenger duties in the past.
     
  22. CowBoyWolf

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    You can use the loco in any TSW2 route if you use the scenario planner
    Also quit mentioning TSW2 if you don't even play it
     
  23. 749006

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    So you are in charge of what people can mention on the group.
    Does DTG Natster know?
    And I do own TSW2
     
  24. CowBoyWolf

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    Also Nat is not CM anymore
     
  25. Cyclone

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    Uh...it's not an assumption of intelligence. It's a question. It's like if I was giving you tech support and I were to ask if you rebooted your computer. It's not insulting you by suggesting you didn't reboot; it's simply asking if you rebooted.
     
  26. hayward.john48

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    There was no question in any of your post and the part I have requoted states not opting to read a manual - just in case you didn’t read your own post. There was no “technical” support in your post, I didn’t ask for any.
    Anyway enough already, I have stated my position and my difficulty and merely suggested someone might do an easy start - I do not hold my breath.
     
  27. Cyclone

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    Uh...
    We're never going to agree on my intent here. It doesn't change the fact that reading the manual is the best general advice for the situation. It sounds like you want something easier. Which ruins the challenge of playing the game, IMO. Moving on.
     
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  28. hayward.john48

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    I have already explained that I have made numerous efforts to start the loco from cold. I am not looking for something easier I am seeking a solution to my problem. 90%+ engines and units are handed over “warm” and many in the winter are only shutdown for maintenance so what I request is not unrealistic it is more realistic than a start up for every scenario including multi part ones.
     
  29. torfmeister

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    Have you checked my pictures? It is really just a matter of a minute. Knowing all of the ControlValues (visible in the InputMapper), I could write a lua script that performs the startup and bind it to a key combo for you. Give me the weekend, going fishing for pikeperches in the Rhine now:D.

    I'll let you know when it's done.
     
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  30. hayward.john48

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    Viel Glueck mit den Fischen und danke.
     
  31. Cyclone

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    Fair enough! I must have misunderstood, then. You're suggesting that the loco should be able to be started warm in a scenario, not cold.
     
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    Thank you for clarifying. I hope you did not think I was being obtuse, I just wanted to understand what you were suggesting. I have actually forwarded this as a suggestion, as well.
     
  34. ex_railwayman

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    Well, there is only 1 review showing on the DLC Steam page so far and it's in German, so, the Google translation states -

    The locomotive is complicated to operate. That's all. Yes, also realistic, but very complicated. The driver's brake valve has no detent stage in "Release" and "Brake"; if you keep it pressed, the valve runs through to "quick braking" and "filling", if you release it, it returns to "0". The display in the HUD does not show levels; only percentages (the center position of the foot brake lever is 67%!?). @RSSLO Please fix the driver's brake valve.

    So, my question is, has anyone else noticed this, and is it a game changing problem?

    Cheerz. Steve.
     
  35. Craigie-C

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    Also quit posting your unconstructive comments on the TS Classic forum.
    You are yet to post anything constructive on this forum.
    I suggest you confine your posts to the TSW2 forum as that is the platform you are in to.
     
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    Errrr.......... this is the TS Classic forum so why are you posting here?
     
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  38. cscarpenter

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    Fantastic bit of fun, different, old, but still a great addition to your collection.
    Looks terrific on any swiss route.
     
  39. trev123

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    It has been mentioned a couple of times on TS Facebook page like all new releases. (1) Train Simulator | Facebook
     
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    Please bear with me as I have been in the same place as your good self.
    I came across TSC as it is now called, during the Covid lock down we have all had to suffer.
    The first time I fired it up it took me a good while to learn the different procedures on how to start and move just the basic locos supplied.
    Since then I have delved into the world of the PRO/ ADVANCED line of stock and as you quite rightly state struggled to even start them.
    On hindsight the Pro line range are not as difficult as they first seem.
    As Torfmeister has beautifully layed out, if you follow 1.....2.....3 etc onwards
    and repeat a few times it will become second nature.
    Good luck and most of all enjoy.
     
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  41. steamylocoman

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    Found this on Youtube but 3 years old.



    If you follow exactly the instruction here on Youtube you will get the loco moving even if it will take you 5-10 to start the loco.
     
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  42. trev123

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    What I do when I purchased a complex loco is that I print out the driving section of the manual which is usually only about 3 or 4 pages.
     
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    I do the same and keep them in a ring binder for each country and developer, usually it helps but this one, so far has me still struggling.
     
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    I do also use TS sometimes upload_2022-5-22_11-17-6.png
     
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    That would be very useful :)

    I can start the loco by going thru the start sequence and even revised the startup depending on which desk you were at.
    But it still takes me a few mins to go thru the sequence
     
  46. hayward.john48

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    I’ve solved my problem. I still can’t get the RSSLO 1063 to work, the pantograph won’t go up every time but I have found a version that starts warm and it’s freeware. It has no crew and no windscreen wipers but other than that there’s virtually no difference. I am not going to post here where I got it but it’s free and suits me sir.
     
  47. trev123

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    Good for you.
     
  48. Cyclone

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    IF it was released as freeware before the current payware version, then provided it's not an early beta of the payware, I think it's perfectly valid to post it as they are different products. Up to you, however. :)
     
  49. hayward.john48

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    It would be a bit insensitive when DTG are currently promoting the 1063.
     
  50. Cyclone

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    Fair enough! I get the reason for holding it back. I know it's at least a few years old, anyway, and there may be other unnoted differences as well.
     

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