Pzb Triggering Under 1k Acknowlegement

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  1. Volvo B10M

    Volvo B10M Active Member

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    I have been trying to drive TT services on the route Hamburg Lubeck route on (U class?) freight hauled with a BR155 but every time I pass Wandsbeck junction I encounter a signal that shows yellow on the distant section but green on the home, however acknowledging PZB has no effect and it still applies the brakes despite reducing from around 80 to around 70 entering a 120 speed section. Why does this keep happening?

    Edit: Edited to make more sense.
     
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  2. doublefine7

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    First: If you are driving in PZB mode U, your target speed to be below is not 70 kmh, it is 55 kmh. This is to be achieved within 38 seconds after acknowledging. Second: In the BR 155 you need to press and hold the acknowledging button for at least 1 second.

    Third: When you are standing, you can end the braking by pressing "PZB Release".
     
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  3. Volvo B10M

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    It was on the 70 speed setting but it had stopped almost immediately instead of the normal 25 second delay. I was going about 80 at sight in a 160 speed section dropping to 120 although this was on freight was 120 anyway so I was doing less before seeing it.
     
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    Oh, in that case you might have been trapped by a GPA that watches whether you reduced your speed and if you dont, you get an e-brake.

    On that point I remember you have to be below 130 kmh when you pass the GPA.
     
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    GPA, what was that? I don't remember that in the manual. It can't have been due to being over 130 since I was only doing 70-80.
     
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    redrev1917 Well-Known Member

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    Where you accelerating rather than decreasing speed? I've been caught out like that before
     
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    Wrong thread ;)
     
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    So I did, but my point still stands
     
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    There's a big discussion about that re the steam route (a non-white character was seen on the footplate in the preview). Redrev just accidently posted their comment here rather than the steam thread.

    A GPA magnet is a set of 3 PZB magnets that test the speed of a train, typically before a speed limit reduction, and they'll slam on the brakes if it's going too fast. The UK has a similar system using TPWS grids
     
  10. Volvo B10M

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    Out of all the things for people to be worried about, the appearance of the crew has to be one of the most absurd yet. As long as they are either Human or Equidae and passed out for the role they are doing does it really matter?

    I was initially doing about 80 but applied the train brake as soon as I saw the yellow distant lower half coming around the corner then pressed the PZB acknowledge multiple times passing the signal as I usually do but after already having started braking it should have been down to at least 70 when I was passing over it but I had 1K and S lights light up together and the brakes fully applied.
     
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  11. gazz292

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    The thing i read was people complaining that it wasn't realistic, as it's supposed to be set in the 1950's, but the livestream showcasing it has a young female fire (wo)man, in perfectly clean clothes, nice nails, perfect hair and all that (afaik it was nothing about race.. that was someone else asking if an american steam age route would have segregated seating, as that was the thing back then)

    Yes nowadays there's nothing stopping a woman doing that job on a preserved railway (first time i got to drive a steam loco they had a female firewoman) but back in the 1950's the fireman would have worked his way up the links and be about 35-40 by the time he was firing the mainline express services, and expected to shovel 10+ tons of coal into the firebox for 8 or more hours straight.

    Of course a woman back then could have done that job, they proved they could do mens work during the war, but the reality is that a 1950's based steam train driving simulation should have everything as it was in the age it's set in.

    Unfortunately it seems like it wont even have the click clack of the jointed rails at release, something almost everyone associates with train travel back then.
     
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  12. solicitr

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    That really is an interesting question with regard to game philosophy: in a historic setting, should it be period-accurate, or prettied up to suit modern consciousness? Consider for example Assassin's Creed Odyssey, where nobody seems to bat an eye at a female mercenary warrior- this in a society whose RL attitude towards women's rights and social role was about like Saudi Arabia's. Of course, the AC franchise is all fantasy really; simulators are not.
     
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    Well, I personally think this: If you get upset by a female person doing the firemans job in a GAME(!), then you really need to sort out your priorities. Yes, it might be inaccurate, but come on. We are a modern society and this unnecessarily positive romanticism of "This is a real mans job" is just outdated and stupid. Get over your excuses for upholding an excuse ("this is inaccurate") for patriarchic views and deal with it.

    Its just a game after all.
     
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    That's rather unnecessarily accusative and hostile. For some people, historical accuracy is a valid consideration and not just an "excuse" for something nefarious.
     
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    My point is this: If you get upset by a virtual firewoman, you really should sort your priorities out. Yes, historical accuracy is important but there are things that dont need that. And the gender of the fireperson is definitely something that doesnt need to be accurate.
     
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    For me the fact that it happened with the BR155 and penalty right after 1000Hz raises a question.

    Were you driving the train with Cab 2 at the front? There is a small number on the outside besides the door, some locos also have on the inside.

    There is a bug with Cab 2 not acknowledging PZB, as far as I can tell either since preservation or from the start in TSW1. Ran into this on RSN on some services where you need to drive both ways. Not sure if the loco is always placed forwards when using substitution, and I am missing the HHL route to check. But this could totally be a cause that hits you even when doing everything right.

    Hoping to get the 155 fixed with the preservation update :)
     
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  17. Volvo B10M

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    That sounds possible as I started from a separate siding and carried out a loco movement/coupling procedure before leaving although I think it spawned in the same direction the train was to depart in. If I remember right it was the cab nearest the breaker panel in the corridor.
     
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    Then it was the bugged no. 2.
     
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