New German Route - Let's Speculate!

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  1. roggek

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  2. chieflongshin

    chieflongshin Well-Known Member

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    I think based on Lukas saying on the stream last night he wanted to bring Frankfurt it could well be that. He never said he wasn't bringing it
     
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    Schnellfahrstrecke Rhein-Main or Hauptstrecke Frankfurt Am Main Aschaffenburg with merger to Main Spessart Bahn.
     
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    Could this be a hint?
     
  5. tibomatthijs

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    No, they added off-route stations/destinations to all the PIS', to make it more real. It would be cool tho to have the Köln-Koblenz route but I think its big too big for TSW2 and Gen8 consoles atm unless the DLC Manager is released that will save lot of GB's
     
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    You could do Bingen-Koblenz. Very nice route :)
     
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  7. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    This can also mean Train Sim classic Koblenz Köln being remade for Train Sim World 2
     
  8. Wieczorek

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    On Discord was hint from DTG Lukas - Polizei Rheinland Pfalz few days ago.Maybe Koblenz- Mainz or Koblenz-Frankfurt( this is so long for TSW2(TSW3)-130km
     
  9. Coppo

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    whilst Bingen - Koblenz (Ideally in era 3/4) would be great, with a number of branch lines that could be included. it would be better to go to Mainz.
    However, as has been seen, by its' absence, in other sims, you really need both sides of the Rhine modelled to create a realistic environment to drive through... plus the sound of trains on the other bank would need to be added for immersion (no pun intended), because they do echo their way along the Rhine valley :)
     
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  10. Doomotron

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    Route size is not limited by the 'DLC limit' or previous-generation consoles as the game only loads what it needs to. The issue is time to develop the route and the market for long routes, which is usually quite small.
     
  11. solicitr

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    I'm not sure that is necessarily the case; according to the year-end stats, LGV (the longest route in TSW) was among the most played routes. The fact that Clinchfield (and I would guess Sherman Hill) didn't prove as popular is because the market for US freight isn't that big.

    You're spot-on with the first reason: development cost. 70 miles of US prairie is not the same as 70 miles of Rhine valley!
     
  12. driverwoods#1787

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    If Koblenz-Mainz gets built it must get the ICE-T with Green Strips as standard then layer to Riesa-Dresden as the correct ICE Train which is ICE Line 50 Wiesbaden Mainz Frankfurt Flughafen Leipizig Riesa Dresden. Remember people are asking for ICE-T to arrive as part of the Rush Hour Train Pack therefore Koblenz Mainz can solve the problem of Missing ICE-T on Riesa-Dresden. That leaves the missing 50 km 30 mi which is Frankfurt Mainz which has RMV DB BR423 420 The Frankfurt S-Bahn Lines S8 S9. For late-night passenger services on Koblenz Mainz, it's the Taurus locomotive carrying sleeper coaches if made 23:46 Koblenz 00:56 Mainz. The 23:46 Koblenz ends up running like the 23:30 Meissen to Dresden Trip since it goes after 00:00. Return trip 04:00 Mainz 05:11 Koblenz
     
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  13. simontreanor81

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    There was an earlier hint about a 628 so it could be one or a few of the branch lines south of Bingen and Gau-Algesheim.

    A rhine route would be ideal - there's probably four realistic sections that could be routes (NE/NW/SE/SW with Koblenz in the middle), perhaps with 110+ n-Wagen and an ICE1 (if it's the west bank). We can dream...
     
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    ..or better yet, set in Epoch III/IV with beige/red TEEs pulled by BR 103s
     
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    I just hope so much for Rhein-Main area but to be honest a lot of speculative posts here are very nice to have aswell :)
     
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    Dresden - Bad Schandau, 45km, beautiful region. (Yeah, wishful thinking...)
     
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    The missing link Cologne-Düsseldorf-Duisburg/Wuppertal. Very large and interesting list of services.
     
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    I will always keep hoping, but a '90s route seems unlikely. DTG will probably want something that will sell reliably and well after it's extended period without releases. That makes a route around the Rhein-Ruhr area, probably one that already sold well in TS classic, most likely in my eyes. Perhaps Köln-Koblenz, which I wouldn't even mind as long as it comes with a robust timetable and some new rolling stock.

    Hopefully they'll keep diversifying like they did with the BR 612 on Dresden-Chemnitz after the next release though, perhaps with a '90s route, perhaps with a diesel route. We'll see and hear eventually :).
     
  19. matinakbary

    matinakbary Well-Known Member

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    I doubt we'll have a historic route, considering the (then not anymore usable) layers. But it might come with a rather old loco and that would be equally fine for me as well.

    And you have a good point - after this extended period of no releases, the next route has to talk to many people. So yeah, something along the rhine has been wished on this forum like nothing else. Or it will have at least one big main station, so naturally more people have knowledge about and interest in the route. It could be a reused big station (exampled would be Cologne-Koblenz, Cologne-Duisburg, München-Garmisch, Hamburg-Hannover, München-Rosenheim etc.) or a completely new big station (maybe Frankfurt or Berlin (tief)).
     
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    I guess will Koblenz- Mainz with BR 110 and n- wagen coming.This was today on discord- wrote Matin5598.
     
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    Oh god no!! - this was more than clearly a badly made picture edit! It's not coming. I know as much as you :D
     
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    That's what I'm hoping for as well. Even if we can't get a vintage route, at least don't give us yet another DoStos+185-freight route.
     
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    Exactly. I am honestly more interested in the rolling stock than the route itself. If it's modern and it had the usual BR185+146+DoStos I am going to be so disappointed.
     
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  24. patrick60491

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    Ich tippe mal auf die Strecke von Köln nach Koblenz oder ne Berliner Strecke, vielleicht die S1 von Wannsee nach Oranienburg oder die S9 Spandau zum Flughafen :)
     
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    Der Hinweis war von DTG Lukas - Polizei Rheinland Pfalz.Das ist möglich ,dass Köln Koblenz oder Koblenz Trier kommt.Wir sehen ob da stimmt,vielleicht bei nächsten Roadmap.Mit Berlin ist eher unwahrscheinlich.
     
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    Wenn es was mit Rheinland-Pfalz sein sollte dann könnte es auch Saarbrücken nach Kaiserslautern oder Mainz sein.
     
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    Zum Beispiel Trier Saarbrücken leider 94km lang und nach Kaiserslautern ich weiss auch nicht.Bestimmt eine von Strecken aus TSC.
     
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    Even better German democratic Republic routes that way we get a DR BR 105 V60 DR BR112 Original Paint for V100 Main Spessart Bahn
     
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    And some nice UIC corridor Bm coaches, so I can go in passenger mode and relive sitting on those hard plastic half back seats. Or for the ultimate in discomfort, some Silberlinge stock on the locals.
     
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    Personally, Lübeck to Kiel or Frankfurt - Karlsruhe would be my two ideal routes!
     
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    That one is actually modular because you can extend it to Strasbourg in France using the appenweier Junction with the other branch to Offenburg. Just like TSC did from Karlsruhe by merging Frankfurt Karlsruhe with Strasbourg Karlsruhe on a workshop stream. That way there are SNCF BB37000 inside Frankfurt Am Main Gbf MRCE BR185.5 gets the ability to run SNCF Wires
     
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    LGV isn't really a long route - by distance, yes, but the time taken to cross it is one of the shorter ones in TSW. It's why I wanted the Rhones-Alpes extension for it (and the TGV Reseau but that's for different reasons;)). When I say long routes I was referring to a DTG stream where they explained that, while it was theoretically possible to make the full WCML, few people would drive the whole route. I have WCML North in TS and it's one of my favourite routes but I've only done a full run once. Similarly, I've only driven a full run of Cresston a handful of times. Generally I get bored if a scenario is more than 40 minutes.
     
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    Nobody would do a full run of the WCML at this point. Not before they fix the bloody save games.

    Longer routes would be nice, but since five years after launch the entire run still needs to be done in one sitting (or risk breaking the service completely), I prefer runs that take up to 60 minutes, not more. If only I could reliably save my progress...
     
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    Would like to see a route from Germany into France so we can see ICE and TGV together, via Strasburg perhaps.
     
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    You mean the Appenweier-Strasbourg Railway. You can check it on my signature on how it looks like. That one exists in TSC as Strasbourg Appenweier Karlsruhe Railway.
     
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    Silberlinge were glorious! I miss them and it'd be wonderful to see then in TSW.
     
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    I don't mind that as long as there's something else as well and those are additional layers - they fit quite a lot of modern German routes.
     
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    Cologne - Koblenz (- Frankfurt am Main), both sides of the river...would be great...

    In 60s/70s style would be even greater! ;)
     
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  40. driverwoods#1787

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    You forgot the DB BR189 and for that locomotive, it can come with C-Akv couplers Faals 151 152 both ends have a C-Akv Coupler yellow triangles on their sides and Falrrs coal version Falnqqs 130 (volume 86 cubic metres) comes in two linked to each other with a drawbar between them other end has C-akv couplers to run with Faals 151 152. Suites existing routes too like the 185 146. C-akv combination fits HRR AI at Duisburg Hbf for Saarland steel mill or run to Bochum via Mullheim an der Ruhr Styrum following the S3 from Oberhausen towards Hagen and Werdohl-Elverlingsen. On RSN DB BR189 can drop off Faals Falrrs Iron Ore at Oege steel mill. Coal version Falnqqs 130 to Werdohl-Elverlingsen Power Station. DTG should enlist Virtual railroads for DB BR189 C-Akv. C-Akv couplers also come with Chains to couple with existing freight waggons Habbins Zacns Shimms-TTU Shimms U708 Laaers 560 & Sggmrss
     
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    Oh indeed they were. Back in the day I did Kempten to Ulm in one, also Innsbruck to Garmisch in the batch painted with ocean blue and cream livery. Hellfire stuff.
     
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    I think both sided is really a little bit too much to ask. Maybe as some static track, yes. But really as driveable area? I'd be happy with "only" the left rhine railway :)
     
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    ANYTHING pre-2000 would be nice. We got multiple older routes for US and UK, now it's time for germany.
     
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    I think if this route ever gets, it definitely should be made on both sides as it would add a really unique touch to it. It could benefit from a dynamic dispatcher as freight trains there seem to be running on both sides fairly randomly, while EC/IC trains swap often during maintenance.
     
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    Yeah the Dosto’s & TRAXX are nice fillers, but at this point we need a new star of the show.

    For me a lengthy high speed line with a 101 layer (with more than 1 nighttime service) is what I look forward too.
     
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    How about the heaviest Freight trains with C-Akv Couplers DB BR189 and 151 warning triangles are on the sides. Even better is putting Scharfenberg Couplers to the existing Zacns Habbiins goods waggons yellow Warning Triangles then have a DB Baureihe 218 run them. This project is called digital automatic couplers. DB BR218 Scharfenberg couplers can also pull the ICE 3 (both 403 406) and DB BR612 when needed. When not needed the Scharfenberg Couplers to raise up on DB BR218 to run Roos-t Sggmrrss Laaers 560s since those goods waggons have not been tested with the Digital Auto couplers.
    Here is the video of Digital Automatic Couplers.
     
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    Personally I would suggest the 103 to be star of the show on a Rhine Valley route.
     
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    Or an ICE1.
     
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    lch ich denke wenns ja tsw3 werden soll mindestens 1 neuer ICE und ein neuer Regionalverkehrszug dabei sein wird, da es ja als TSW2 raus kam auch komplett neue Fahrzeuge dabei waren und bei Rush Hour letzes Jahr, zumindest bei der deutschen Strecke kein neues Fahrzeug dabei war. Und vor ca.2 Jahren gab es auch mal ein Bild wo ein ICE1 oder 2 auf einem Bild im Hintergrund war.
     
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    I mean with route will for fright train BR 151 or BR 140 comi ng.
     
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