Random Event - Class 66 Engine Shutdown!

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  1. stujoy

    stujoy Well-Known Member

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    I was most pleased to be driving my Class 66 towards Dartford when I experienced a random engine shutdown and had to stop the train and restart the engine making me late. This is such a good addition to timetable mode and just adds to the reality. Nice touch.
     
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  2. Mattty May

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    Are you being sarky?
     
  3. Disintegration7

    Disintegration7 Well-Known Member

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    Nice!! The distance counter in the Class 66 works now too, which i don't remember before.
     
  4. stujoy

    stujoy Well-Known Member

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    Me? Sarky? Never… :D

    Not this time. It actually happened and it was meant to happen because there was a message that popped up on the screen telling me the engine had randomly stopped.
     
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  5. 5cip

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    i like these random events are these random events only in scenarios or even in timetables ?
     
  6. Mattty May

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    Nice one. :D:D
     
  7. alexjjones6024

    alexjjones6024 Well-Known Member

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    I'm intrigued to know also stujoy ?

    Also, was there a reason why it randomly shut down? :)
     
  8. stujoy

    stujoy Well-Known Member

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    There didn’t appear to be. That’s why I think it was a random event, plus a driver help tip came up immediately telling me what had happened but not how to fix it, which seems deliberate.
     
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  9. Crosstie

    Crosstie Well-Known Member

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    Was it really a completely random event, I mean not scripted? I didn't think we had those in TSW.
     
  10. a.paice

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    That’s great to hear.
    Hopefully they do some more, there’s plenty that could easily be implemented.

    A signal could be stuck at red because of a track circuit failure so you have to request permission to pass.

    You might get cautioned over a level crossing because the barriers have lost their detection.

    You could get an automatic dropping device activation so your pantograph comes down and you have to stop immediately to reset it. It happens regularly on the class 80x’s.

    Cautioned through an area due to reported trespassers.

    So much potential.
     
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  11. alexjjones6024

    alexjjones6024 Well-Known Member

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    Thank you, may I ask which service it was if you can tell me please? I like the fact this is potentially a random occurrence on service mode too!
     
  12. stujoy

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    4Z62 Rochester to Dartford
     
  13. aeronautic237

    aeronautic237 Well-Known Member

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    Oh wow, I really hope this is intentional - maybe an official statement? (hint hint)
    I am quite certain the train length function used to work - but you couldn't program it. Simply press the button and wait for the beeps!
     
  14. paulc

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    Yes this is how it used to be.
     
  15. antony.henley

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    Nice I'll try that later.
    Seems strange to be fair as I cant even cold start the EWS 66 at the training centre!!!
    The training centre one starts but not the EWS one. But you can jump start the EWS 66 with the training centre 66 when you couple them together.

    Hentis
     
  16. chieflongshin

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    I don't believe this will be random, didn't they say the dispatcher struggles with dynamic events. I may however be wrong
     
  17. OldVern

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    In TSW2 it was possible to overload the 45, usually climbing out of Man Vic and have the engine shut down. However that was (is) player induced and on your own as to recovery and restart.
     
  18. rich.minty

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    Yep, had the same engine shutdown in the class 66 going from Dartford to Hoy sidings. I remedied it when I got to Hoy by turning the generator run switch off in the cab I drove there in, as it was already on when I changed cabs.
     
  19. could someone please let us know how to restart the engine when this happens as i had it happen on a livestream and couldnt work out how to start it again i press th green button saying start but nothing happen on PC Steam i find if this is a new thing for TSW3 i wont be driving the class 66
     
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  20. stujoy

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    Put the reverser in the centre position, then below the reverser on the control stand there are 4 switches, the first one has to be put into Start/Stop/Isolate and then press (and hold?) the green Engine Start button. Once the engine has started, return the switch to Run, put the reverser in Forwards and you should be good to go.
     
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  21. stujoy thank you for you reply so fast cheers buddy have a great day
     
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  22. chieflongshin

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    that’s an interesting one, the only reason I say that is I completed a service other night. I was still in forwards and tapped the engine off button. I then thought “ah before I exit I wonder what the new AP sounds are like on startup”. I pressed green engine on and it fired immediately.

    Had that not worked I’d have used your method so it’s interesting there’s an inconsistent y in what inputs it accepts
     
  23. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    Yup, I also got the random engine shutdown event on service number 6L37. It is a neat feature.
     
  24. nhilsubsolenovum

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    I did too and switched it off thinking it was a bug and not knowing how to restart it
     
  25. Disintegration7

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    Ah, i see, well you can even program it now.

    Hopefully they can fix this on the SMH SD70ACE at some point.
     
  26. aeronautic237

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    Yes, on the screen next to the EM2000 display there is a smaller display where you input the train length in feet.
     
  27. DTG Matt

    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    Can anyone point me at videos of the Class 66 failing?

    I've spoken with the setup team and they tell me that it's not supposed to be doing that - though they did add in the tool tip just incase it did :)

    Matt.
     
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  28. Purno

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    Haven't had any random events yet, and I can't say I'm looking forward to them either. I hope there's an option to turn these off. I don't like random trouble...
     
  29. simulator fan

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    I get this event too but thought it was a fault? Also how do you turn the aws on in the class 66? The 66 I am driving doesn't haver the wall cupboards with the 24V switch
     
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    https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1579935462 Has an example of the engine cutting out on the 66. You have to go to timestamp 2:11:40 and watch the amps drop.
     
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  31. antony.henley

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    goto the other cab :)
     
  32. simulator fan

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    thanks I knew there had to be a simple answer! lol
     
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    Can anybody tell me if the class 66 intermittent and randomised fan sounds are featured as this is part of the AP sound pack and also, if there so randomised engine shut downs, the cooling fans should work similarly too.
     
  35. rennekton#1349

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    I personally haven't been able to hear it.
     
  36. londonmidland

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    There are no cooling fan noises for the 66 unfortunately. Matt replied to my comment on Facebook saying that it isn’t there because engine temperature isn’t simulated in TSW, thus it never sounds.
     
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  37. alexjjones6024

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    Disappointing but I really appreciate you letting me know this. I did check the computer above the drivers head and as you rightfully stated, it wasn't in the maintenance section of the system.
    Perhaps a future implementation or is that a difficult job?
     
  38. Suryaaji#2369

    Suryaaji#2369 Well-Known Member

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    I've just encountered this random engine shutdown too when driving The Shed! But, after i follow the instruction to restart the engine, the engine simply won't start at all. Weird
     
  39. does anyone know if this bug has been fixed or will be fixed in the next patch because i have not played the class 66 because of this issue happing to me the only 1 time i played the class 66 it dont look good for my viewers on the livestream to see it happen when i dont know how to get it back up and running again
     
  40. jj-6688

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    This happened to me twice while attempting “hoo dares wins”, the second time around it wouldnt fire back up at all lool
     
  41. zsolt_93

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    I had this issue only once if I recall. But there is another weirdness with the 66. Multiple times after notching up the throttle from 7 to 8 after a short time I can see the amps drop like a stone, like it triggers a throttle cutoff. Then it slowly ramps back up.

    I have a feeling this two issues could be the same thing, some weirdness corner case in the simulation model that over compensates for too much power being requested and ends up somehow affecting the engine RPM in such a drastic way. If it gets to 0 it counts as an unexpected shutdown, else you get the power drop and build up.
     
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    I experience the amp issues every time I drive the 66, without fail.
     
  43. stujoy

    stujoy Well-Known Member

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    That’s the normal power transition like what happens on US locos. It may be that the engine cutting out bug is something going wrong with that transition (don’t know if it is) but the transition itself is intended and normal.
     
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    If that power drop is normal, it would be like changing gears in a car.
     
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    I have seen the transition in streams on the US locos. Since this is also a US powertrain it sort of makes sense, if it was added as a simulation improvement. And would not be surprised at all to find out that it is indeed buggy.

    I wonder if we can pinpoint in what moments this occurs. Mine was in notch 7-8 when this happened. However my feeling is that the engine stall is the opposite, I had it while almost in idle just trundling along at track speed.
     
  46. Dr Iver

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    Interesting. That's exactly what the Field Divert on old locos with DC motors does to overcome the increasing back EMF. Has this feature been accidently put into the 66 s/w? (Checkout 'Field Weakening' if you want to know more).
     
  47. blazingsoup

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    I've had this happen twice in two different scenarios, had to search for some pretty ancient information from TSW2 to figure out how to restart the engine, since they don't make manuals anymore, but that aside, even if it's unintentional, I like the randomness of it and the subsequent problem solving I have to do when it occurs.
     
  48. zsolt_93

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    It seems that it was a bug as well. This was in yesterdays patch:

    [Class 66]
    • Coupler should now animate as expected
    • Adjustments to physics to avoid unexpected stalling at low RPMs.
    • Cab Light First Time Use Reward should now trigger correctly
    • Removed semi-circular white artefacts from wheels
    The second point might fix the engine stalling, the field divert/transition behavior is intended probably to be there. I can live with that
     
  49. Tom19721997

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    Their should be random events with the trains like what the class 66 was doing rather it being so clinical maybe just me
     
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    Still happening, happened in the scenario "0202 Kensington olympia to Kensington olympia (part 3) and was unsuccessful in getting the 66 to restart.

    Nearly through the controller out the window, thanks DTG!
     

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