Tvm Into Ashford Not Slowing For Red Signal

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  1. Perks390

    Perks390 Well-Known Member

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    I've just run the 09:07 St Pancras to Ramsgate and approaching Ashford the TVM went from 160kph down to 0. This luckily cleared back up to 160kph, as I would not have stopped in time. Then after passing the signal marker it dropped down to 0 and I wasn't able to stop in time at the first colour light signal. Surely the TVM should be dropping the speed down coming up to a red signal? Pretty frustrating getting a SPAD so close to the end of the service.

    EDIT - I realise this should probably be in the technical reports section, feel free to move it.
     
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  2. NateDogg7a

    NateDogg7a Well-Known Member

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    This happened to me, too. After further research, I think this is an application of approach control. TVM is authorized to drop the speed from a max of 170 kph to zero. When you notice the "execute" speed (on right, black background) flash is when you have to be prepared. I had a SPAD there as well (and no save to rescue me, of course!). What I don't know is how real any of this is; I haven't been able to find a reference to a flashing execute speed and it definitely confused me the first time I saw it. Is this how it's supposed to work, or just DTG's interpretation?

    The second time around the "000" cleared before I hit the signal, which was great until I wasn't paying attention and got a KVB emergency brake. Still completed the service though.
     
  3. The few services I've run it normally slows you down before hand. I was slowed to 80kph before the next block instructed me to stop.
     
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    I was also wondering if it has anything to do with whether the service terminates at Ashford or not. Although, I don't know why it would necessarily make a difference.
     
  5. Perks390

    Perks390 Well-Known Member

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    The signal that remained red was the first of the colour light signals into Ashford, I think I was running early and was going to be held there for a departing train. Overran the signal by about 3m in an emergency application.
     
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    Yikes! Good thing you were able to save the game on approach to Ashford just in case something like that happened.

    Oh yeah, right ...
     
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    What is the correct procedure for TVM to slow to a stop? Is there any reference documents anywhere on how it's supposed to slow you down?
     
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    A similar but less serious issue is that of you’re routed into the back platform at Ashford, you get warning of a 60 km/h limit but almost immediately on to a 40. The HUD doesn’t show this (known issue) but neither does the TVM which you are still running under at that point.
     
  9. NateDogg7a

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    Right, the only info I have is what I've been able to gather from previous forum posts and personal experience. What usually works for me is to brake at level 6 or 7 to get to the new limit, maybe 6 if going uphill and 7 if going downhill. TVM guides you but does not slow the train down by itself; that's up to you.
     
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    The approach into Stratford coming from Ebbsfleet does the same if you're on an empty stock on the through line, and a stopping train is signalled in front off the platform line.

    Flashing 160 to 000 in a lot less that the braking distance. You brake quite gently expecting a 130 next but nope - it's a stop signal.

    It's been like that since day 1 of the TSW2 release of SEH.
     
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    Perks390 Well-Known Member

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    Slowing for the speed reductions into the stations works quite well, I tend to keep it at about 60% braking and that slows it nicely. The issue is approaching a red signal and the TVM not allowing enough time to slow down between signal blocks.
     
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    This happens on LGV as well if there is a train in the station when you are approaching and the stop indication in the cab happens far too late because you are not slowed by previous reductions.
     
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  13. I think it's just a case of learning the route. In the real world a driver knows when he she is approaching Ashford or St Pancras and will slow down accordingly.
     

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