New British Routes Speculation

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  1. londonmidland

    londonmidland Well-Known Member

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    So with today’s roadmap announcement, it was revealed that both DTG and Rivet are working on
    two new (2011+) BRITISH MODERN AC routes.

    Let’s start a bit of speculation. Details below:

    So let’s see who they have licensing for (all known so far) which will work on a modern AC route:

    - Avanti
    - GWR
    - Great Northern
    - Thameslink
    - ScotRail

    I’m gonna say they’re gonna do another ScotRail route, with it being the electrified Edinburgh to Glasgow via Shotts line, utilising the Class 385. Watch the cab ride here

    What do you think?

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  2. KMAN

    KMAN Well-Known Member

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    Yeah highly possible as they have done AC routes in TS Classic. And the route length is not too long.
    I was also thinking Leeds- Skipton as it is again relatively short but I dont think they have a license for the operator (Northern).
     
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  3. Does DTG JD have anything to leak on this?
     
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  4. fakenham

    fakenham Well-Known Member

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    I'm thinking WCML south with a 390. Hopefully including Brum!
     
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  5. nhilsubsolenovum

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    Zero chance Rivet games are getting a penny off me.
     
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  6. SonicScott91

    SonicScott91 Well-Known Member

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    He is on the roadmap stream tonight so keep an eye out ;)
     
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  7. Oh I'll definitely be watching.

    Thanks.
     
  8. TheBCPlayerYT

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    I'm hoping for a more northern route, hopefully one involving Northern on Rivet's end. For DTG, I'm predicting the Cross-City line, as they've done it recently.

    Alan Thomson being on board means the Chat Moss route and the 319 have a decent chance of being included, which would be so good.
     
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  9. guardupfront

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    I’m really hoping it’s non-gangwayed stock on these routes, want to see it all as we plod along the route!

    The new routes will decide when I upgrade to TSW3 as I’ve not been sold just yet!
     
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  10. Mikey_9835

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    I think Glasgow to Edinburgh for the Rivet route is a good prediction, as for the DTG one I'm gonna say part of the WCML
     
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  11. British Ace

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    East Coast Mainline South would be amazing! Kings Cross - Peterborough with the 387 (surely easy to convert from BML 387), and perhaps an IET or 225? A 700 could then be DLC for 3 routes; SEHS, BML & the ECML.

    Although with ATS on board, maybe they'd do the ECML as they have expertise in that.
     
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  12. TimTri

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    The route in the background of the Class 43 HST livery designer screenshots has a severe lack of textures, so perhaps they’re teasing a new add-on? And if this is indeed a section of good old GWE, they might be bringing it up to date as part of an Elizabeth Line DLC.
     
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  13. OldVern

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    As I just posted in the Roadmap feedback, DTG UK route could be anywhere. North (or east) from a London terminus seems favourite, but don't rule out something like Birmingham Cross City or one of the newly electrified lines in the NW - Manchester to Blackpool North perhaps? Bit unimpressed at likely modern day setting. An AC Electrostar is still an Electrostar and push to stop/go 390 or 8xx about as exciting as shopping at Lidl.

    I share the rather dim view of some about letting Rivet loose on another UK route, when they now seem to have abandoned any pretence of fixing the many deficiencies still outstanding with WCL. In fact, I would go so far as to say, DTG are failing in their oversight duties to even allow them to make a penny off a new product until they return to WCL, rebuild the route so it actually looks like a UK railway in Cornwall and sort the abysmal 150 once and for all. That said, Scotland seems favourite, more than likely North Clyde per the TSC version or maybe Edinburgh to Glasgow, though that was previously a Thomson Interactive effort. Knowing Rivet, will probably be a TSW remake of the semi fictional Glasgow Airport link.
     
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  14. eldomtom2

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    I think the Elizabeth Line fits DTG's modus operandi perfectly - especially when you consider that nearly all the extensions required from GWE are in tunnels...
     
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  15. LIRRGuy

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    Personally I want too see something that is NOT an electrostar route
     
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  16. jack travers

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    If i get another electrostar type train i might cry
     
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  17. LIRRGuy

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    Isnt the Glasgow Edinburgh Route usually Turbostar Class 170s(Which would be awesome(Cause of the fact we could run it on ECW and pretend its 171s converted from Class 170s), but would ruin the point of it being an AC route)
     
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    That was the plan if we got another electrostar train
     
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  19. stujoy

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    Liverpool to Manchester would be my guess, just because they have built Lime Street already and they’ll definitely want to use it again, with a few alterations of course.
     
  20. londonmidland

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    Nope. A modern AC version of the line would mean it’d feature the Class 385.
     
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    They’d need the TransPennine and Northern licenses for that to work.
     
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  22. JamieRH

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    Can't wait for it to be a Great Northern Route in the 387 lol hopefully not.
     
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    Steico branch?
     
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    A West or South Yorkshire PTE route would get me opening my wallet.
     
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  25. londonmidland

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    GWE is so old and ‘broken’ in regards to its signalling set up, that it would be a technical nightmare to upgrade and extend it. It would be easier for DTG to do the route from scratch, but that is very unlikely.

    Also, in regards to CrossRail:

    You'd need to have new various trains and licenses, which just ain't gonna happen in TSW for one route.

    For a realistic experience, you'll need:
    Modern and fully upgraded Paddington to Reading line:
    - GWR Class 387
    - GWR Class 80X
    - XR Class 345
    - Class 66

    Liverpool Street to Shenfield:
    - XR Class 345
    - GA Class 720/1
    - GA Class 745/0
    - GA/Stansted Express 745/1
    - GA Class 320/321/322
     
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  26. londonmidland

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    South Yorkshire has no electrification away from the ECML, which is what these new routes will feature, not to mention that it’s uncertain that DTG even have the license for Northern, to use their branding and livery.
     
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    Speculations great in all, but when will we see these released (the route being made, not the route being released) and teased?
    Usually 3 or so weeks right?
     
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    Doncaster to Leeds would be a great option if they can get any one of Northern, Northern Trains or Arriva Trains Northern licenses. A busy mix of commuter and express trains. Plus express services would have an interim station stop at Wakefield Westgate.
     
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  29. PseudoStalker

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    Something from London with Electrostar AC train & brandley new Class 66 in EWS livery. That's what we're waiting for so long.
     
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  30. AirbourneAlex

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    Probably nothing Northern, because DTG are releasing Leeds to Manchester for TSC with modern scenery but 90's stock, otherwise you'd think they make the effort to include something using the appropriate TOC licenses if they had any in planning for a TSW route.

    Similarly, DTG do have the LNER license since they released a loco DLC for TSC a while back using the TSW HST in LNER colours. That wouldn't rule out London to Peterborough but then we'd need at least a Class 800 and preferably a Class 700/717 to flesh out a timetable (which seems too much new stock to include in a new route from the norm we have come to expect).

    Rivet's release could be Edinburgh to Glasgow via Falkirk with a Class 385, which is a sensible sized route and is one local to their offices for easy reference. Hopefully that would include an element of freight too with the nearby Grangemouth freight terminals.

    Otherwise it could be something like Birmingham Cross City with WMR branding or my personal preference the Inverclyde line with a Class 380 which would nicely complement Cathcart Circle.
     
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  31. chieflongshin

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    ECML or an Edinburgh line crossing the firth
     
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    ECML or an Edinburgh line crossing the firth
     
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    Rebuilding GWE would still be quite a bit less effort than building an entirely new route, since DTG could reuse the existing art assets.

    We have the 387 and 66, and the IET could be saved for DLC. If you look at it like that, then the Elizabeth Line becomes even more appealing.
     
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  34. LIRRGuy

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    Good too know, thank you good sir
     
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    hope it's nowhere near London, I'm starting to talk with a cockney accent now
     
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    Besides, via layering the 385 would add traffic to Cathcart's otherwise deserted Glasgow Central
     
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    JD has posted that it's just a test track environment.
     
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    Hoping it's not gonna be Birmingham Cross City, as New Street will look extremely desolate with just the 323s passing through.

    My hope/ prediction is for DTG’s to be either Euston to Milton Keynes or even Birmingham, with the Avanti 390 and the LNWR 350, or King's Cross to Peterborough with a GN 387 and either a Class 800 or 91.

    As for Rivet's I would gladly welcome one of the routes from Edinburgh to Glasgow. I just hope it's nothing too ambitious after WCL. I'd hate if it turned out that THEY were the ones to finally give us the WCML/ ECML.
     
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  39. Ravi

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    I am a bit cynical and thinking that we will get a rehash of GWE Paddington to Reading but extended upto Oxford and electrified, set in the modern days with 1 new loco. The Rivet one will be short as usual, so could be a metro line. Beautiful scenery but the locos will be a mess.
     
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    I somehow doubt it. Especially at this stage as it isn't exactly a brand new line which we haven't already had in game. It just wouldn't attract as many players as a 'properly' new line would. We've already had one recycled & extended line (SEHS). Could you imagine the outrage if this was done immediately after?!

    Perhaps sometime down the line (no pun intended) but not anytime soon.
     
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  41. Ravi

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    That's what I want to believe as well. But if they electrify it fully its a totally new route anyway. So lets see. This is my speculation for the new route :)
     
  42. fujifilm#7408

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    My guess would be Thameslink from East Croydon to Bedford? Think about how many people would buy that route just for Class 700
     
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    Only if done right
     
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    The codes suggest it'll be AC only routes, so no third rail.
     
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    Isn’t it AC from Bedford to St Pancras/City Thameslink? (Unsure of which one)
     
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    Yep, the classic Thameslink electrification goes from Bedford to City Thameslink, although I believe they switch over at Farringdon.
     
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    IT Could be Thameslink
     
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    Doubtful they would duplicate part of BML.

    No my smart money is still on Birmingham Cross City or maybe if we are lucky West Midlands network including Walsall, Coventry and Wolves.
     
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    Birmingham Cross City would be a great choice (including Bromsgrove), right length, varied scenery, interesting driving (if you like stop start stuff), New Street etc etc. However, it needs to feel busy as in real life, and as one poster pointed out above, we need the AI.

    I'm in the minority here, but I wouldn't mind current available units to sub in for unavailable AI to increase the busy-ness of a route. Getting greens all the time is boring, I feel.
     
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    I'd be very underwhelmed if it was Cross city. I think we've had enough of purely Commuter routes for the time being, I'd like some express running, with an actual express train. And I don't wanna another repeat of Cathcart with Glasgow Central, Birmingham New Street will look desolate without the sight and sound of dozens of Voyagers and Turbostars. Not to mention Pendolinos and 350s.
     
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