On the Brighton Mainline the speed limit boards are different to what the HUD say (most between Clapham Junction and East Redhill) the boards in game show the EMU speed but not the freight speed as well. For example: leaving Clapham Junction towards East Croydon on the slow lines the speed is marked as 60 but on the HUD shows speed for 40 so the sign should say 40/60. The wrong speed limits are shown for freight and are correct for passenger services.
There is now a different speed for freight for almost every speed limit change and I’m not convinced by the validity of the limits. This issue is only present since the new freight services were added under mysterious secrecy circumstances. I don’t know enough about the rules on this line but I suspect the signs are correct and something is wrong with the HUD indications, or they are following some rules only a real driver on the route would know. Or they could be programmed AI speed limits to make the freight fit in with the other services and these are not meant for the player to see (but that is just my wild guess). I’m thinking perhaps that these extra services were not meant to be released yet but somehow made it into a release but with this seemingly funky HUD speed limit behaviour. I’d like to know what’s going on because I can’t work it out. Maybe Joethefish could shed some light on this.
Just drove a service and saw plenty of freight vs passenger speedboards like 40/45 and 40/60. The freight speed is the lower. However, different types of freight trains also have a lower maximum speed regardless of the freight linespeed. Some are only allowed up to 40mph and the HUD reflects this just like it does on BRO, SEHS and KWG timetables.
What is happening on these services is different to all that normal stuff. Nearly every speed board that only has a single speed posted has an unseen phantom speed limit for the freight only in the HUD. It isn’t like the normal split signs we are all familiar with. An example for a train with a maximum speed allowed of 60 mph is showing these speeds on the HUD, none of which are either on a split speed board or the maximum allowed speed but rather a proportion of the speed shown. No other freight on any other route, or the original freight on London Commuter exhibits this behaviour. A 40 mph speed board shows 25 mph in the HUD A 60 mph speed board shows 40 mph in the HUD An 80 mph speed board shows 50 mph in the HUD None of these boards have a freight speed shown. It is happening for almost every speed board on the route for the new freight services. It is separate to the maximum speed of the train.
There are no 80mph boards on the route that have a 50mph li- Wait a minute, your examples look familiar... 40kph is 25mph 60kph is 40mph 80kph is 50mph Coincidence? Is the Class 66 reading the line speed in km/h instead and then converting it? Given that it is happening on all speed boards...
I don’t think so because some speed limits appear to be correct. It happens on nearly all but not all boards. There’s none of those conversions that end up with 37 mph and such “not divisible by 5” speeds either and as far as I can recall the original services were reading correctly before the update. I haven’t driven the Class 66 on any other route since the update but it was definitely working correctly before it (on all routes). It is as yet a bit of a mystery. I may try to investigate further (if I get sufficient time) and log all the speed limit changes in one of these new services, some old ones and on different routes etc.
We have an option to set the service to use either passenger or freight speeds in the timetable. The original two freight services are set to passenger because back then I wasn't aware of that feature and I decided to leave them now as they are because players liked travelling quicker to experience "chaos" or "chasing yellows" and I didn't want to take that away from them. I can only control if it's passenger or freight and the maximum allowed speed for the services. My apologies but this means I don't have an explanation for why the freight speeds do not match signs.
I’ve just checked out that report. I don’t have BCC so have only just noticed it with these new services on BML. It appears that the routes are getting freight speed limits that aren’t there in reality. There is another report on the tech reports forum (that I replied to) from a real driver that says it is all wrong on BML, so it looks like the speed boards are correct visually and it is erroneous freight speed limits being applied and showing on the HUD when a service is tagged as freight by timetable author and this is in at least two routes. At least I think that’s what’s going on now from all the various reports and what Joe says.
Another case of someone's made changes to the route metrics and it's fouled it up... I'm sure someone somewhere will work on it somewhen
I noticed this issue with speed boards and HUD limit yesterday on BML. I was trying to run without the HUD but after a few attempts at a service and getting lots of points loss, I ended up having to quickly pause the game and check there what speed limits were coming up or turn the HUD back on so I could react.
There is also an incorrect speed board south of Purley on the Up Slow. Should be 60mph but displays 80mph.
Yes, there are at least three speed boards in BML that show incorrect readings for passenger trains. It has been reported a couple of times but never fixed: 1) 2) 3) (reported in the post above) Maybe you can sneak in a fix in one of the next patches, Joethefish. The no-HUD fraction would love it, I am sure.
