Marylebone - Aylesbury Delisted From Steam

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  1. mindenjohn

    mindenjohn Well-Known Member

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    Yet they are content to have their liveries on HO/OO/N gauge models.
     
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  2. eldomtom2

    eldomtom2 Well-Known Member

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    Well, I presume that in most cases that's licensed as well.
     
  3. JetWash

    JetWash Well-Known Member

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    But what’s to stop people physically crashing models into each other, filming it and putting it on YouTube?

    No one in their right mind would think a computer game was real world, so to claim that they’re (and by ‘they’ I mean TOC’s, not DTG) worried about brand image on this score is ridiculous.
     
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  4. triznya.andras

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    Considering that Truck Sim also has its own special railroads of America, I assume there are certain conditions and sometimes it's not worth the effort, by the license owner (railroad).

    The core concept is that you can't use a trademark ever, otherwise people could just plaster them on their own products, shops, what have you. Like that UK loco that looks exactly like Union Pacific, imagine someone putting it on.

    Of course one could issue a statement that "serious railroad and traffic simulators can use our logos", a bit more legalese to describe what serious, traffic and simulator means, so I assume some money is on the line as well.

    Sometimes it's as simple as the copyright owner changing, so a new arrangement has to be made. Lawyers are a funny lot, they can totally decide to sue you just for fun. Thus, no written agreement, no sales.

    One last point I can think about is how actual liveries and names do sell a product. As far as screenshots go, sometimes the only thing AP offers is a tiny bit of extra detail, and yet people love them for just that little extra. Thus, it's worth money. Original TS did work around this issue by having lots of debranded liveries, such as Portsmouth line or the Class 158 pack. Or the UTO (VTG) tanks.

    One interesting question was above, what about buildings, or bus company liveries.
     
  5. eldomtom2

    eldomtom2 Well-Known Member

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    Well as I said, the companies are almost certainly concerned more with other matter than Youtube crash videos.
     
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  6. 749006

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    The Midland Mainline Picture was from the newest version
    Even if I added the Hope Valley extension it uses the default track and scenery from Dore to Sheffield
     
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  7. JetWash

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    It does indeed, but then I’d say Hope Valley is an extension the the original route. The original route remains as is, although I am aware they’ve made some changes to houses etc.

    Whichever way you spin it, the Hope Valley extension has real world branding all over it.
     
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    I don’t think it does
     
  9. JetWash

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    I promise you it does, and it looks all the better for it. It is simply a depiction of the real world after all.
     
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    upload_2023-1-21_21-55-49.png
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    yeah it is FULL of real world branding
     
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    I do find it odd they would not license their trademark because of children. But I guess it happens.
     
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    Alot of thigns can factor in a reason a company will not grant a license infact they dont even need a reason they can just straight up say NO. They dont need to give a reason they own the branding at the end of the day.
     
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    Just showing you screenshots from my drive earlier.

    anyway this isnt aboute Hopevalley or the midlands routes lets keep it on topic.
     
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    The original topic was done after about 5 posts. This long since spun off into a discussion about licensing in general.

    With my last post I’m just making the point that you’ve chosen to pick examples of where JT have used long standing assets that tie in with the rest of the route rather than the numerous examples of real world branding that exist on Hope Valley.

    Tis all.
     
  16. 749006

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    I don't know how long you have been playing Train Simulator so you might not know about the licensing problems with Union Pacific where they would not allow the selling of DLC with their logos outside of the USofA for quite a few years.
     
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    Peter, it was BNSF not UP but same principle.
     
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    Long enough to remember that. That was indeed utterly bizarre, particularly as their branding is now in TSW!
     
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    I remember now - BNSF came under UP at the time.
    Thanks John
     
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    BNSF have never been under UP, they've always been a separate entity altogether
     
  21. triznya.andras

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    I think what he meant they were replaced by UP stock.

    Specifically Cajon, which in last iteration also used the pure black locos from the Northeast Corridor, clearly Norfolk Southern, also clearly unbranded. All the while the asset pack did include fitting BNSF liveries for the same engines (F7, SD40-2 and ES44AC).

    Which isn't a 2012 issue I guess but more of a 2006-2008 problem (US version released 2008 Jan), given the line of BNSF DLC around the time of the upgrade. Which made its removal super funny, literally one Santa Fe F7.

    All Aboard used the same excuse for shipping with default rolling stock.
    In contrast to Adriana Country, Portland Terminal and others not available anymore.

    Now that I'm rambling, it's really nice that RSC/DTG had a good working relationship with UP (besides NS, CSX and Amtrak), we didn't just get some twenty DLC for Sherman, but SP, DRGW and WP content with nice routes.
    Given the many years of stall, I guess TSW did help move things, TSC benefitting on the side.
     
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    BNSF was taken over by UP and they hold the copyright
     
  23. USRailFan

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    I think you are mistaking BNSF for SP now, unless there has been a BNSF-UP merger extremely recently
     
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    The big Railroads in the North America are: Union Pacific, BNSF, CSX, Norfolk Southern, Canadian National, Canadian Pacific and KCS (Kansas City Southern). Canadian Pacific are currently trying to takeover/merge KCS.
    The last round of mergers was in the 1990s. In 1995 Burlington Northern merged with ATSF (Santa Fe) to form what became BNSF and Union Pacific merged Chicago North Western then in 1996 merged Southern Pacific keeping the Union Pacific name. UP is the oldest brand name in US railroading.
     
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    When I was saying I don't run US Stuff I don't have most of the US routes installed - even though I own them.
    Just a few where the Assets are required for Freeware routes
     
  28. mindenjohn

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    Peter, I did see the smiley although I have been guilty of running DB V200s through Dawlish a time or two
     
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