Ap Stock Discontinuation Updates

He does say "WoodheadBR" is under the DTG folder - which does suggest it's the BR Blue one (well not completely true that it's not unrelated - the BR Blue Woodhead was built from the original woodhead

 

It added lighting effects for stations on two routes (Bristol to Exeter and one other I can't remember). Seems to have been quite an odd pack.

This is interesting, since when I bought Woodhead many years ago it didn't have it. I first got it with the Class 76/77 DLC. However, looking at SteamDB today...

There it is, included with Woodhead. I'm still not quite sure why the DT Mark 1 pack is still available like this since it doesn't seem to contribute anything to Woodhead. The Mark 2Es which can't be bought anymore at all were unique to TS at the time (I'm not sure when IHH's Mark 2Es came out) and would have contributed more.

 

And where exactly did I say that they were the same route? I quite clearly state that there are TWO routes. At no point do I say they are the same in ANY way shape or form. Anyway, this is getting waaay waay off topic here.

To answer the OP, the original Mk1 coach pack is discontinued by AP which means you can not get the NSE skins for those coaches to my knowledge as they were AP exclusive reskins but, you can however obtain the rest of the coaches by the aformentioned means.

 

Can we all just stop with the whole woodhead and coaches now as Rob says this is way off topic with the subject in the thread tittle.

 

I cannot remember buying the "MK3 Coach Sound pack" but it's in my collection and discontinued.

 

The one I pictured is the old Woodhead. It includes the Chocolate ones that 390001 referred to. The Mk1 pack is bundled as a separate app, in a separate folder.

The new(er) Woodhead does not include the Mk1 pack: https://steamdb.info/sub/193386/apps/

I am done with it here, my point was only to mention that the Woodhead route includes the DT pack and it's not considered "missing" as per the topic of the thread for that reason. The NSE reskin, however, is. The Mk2e are also missing.

 

You do like quoting the https://steamdb.info which says
"SteamDB is a hobby project and is not affiliated with Valve or Steam"
As such you are assuming that the database is correct when it is not in this case.
And by stating that the Purchase of The Woodhead Route" would also give you the almost full set of DT Stock is misleading.

The DT Mk1 coaches were not released with "The Woodhead Route" original version
I don't think you own the route otherwise you would have seen non of the default scenarios use DT Coaches.

 

the topic o

Good valid points

 

Where is your evidence for this?

 

Can we keep this on topic please it would be nice for once if a thread did not get dragged elsewhere.
This is for AP products not DTG AND NOT DT coaches.

 

I think there was also a Class 24/25 sound pack. However if you don't have it and want to replace the sounds on these units, you can use the ultimate Rat sound pack and combine them with the UKTS freeware diesel sounds pack instead.

https://murraybeamon.wixsite.com/bl...IDyU5SJFra3b7eI-r3FW1UiRQw68KBPyh2V0gdzyR74f8

It's a wonder AP don't do what SSS do and have a budget range. These old packs could be kept but sold much cheaper than the newer versions..

 

The peerless Purveyor of the finest railway DLC is the Harrods or Fortnum and Mason of the TS world, not the Aldi

Seriously, it’s a shame many of the older sound packs went.

 

Check the default Scenarios that came with the Woodhead Route - non of them use DT Coaches

 

I find that comment extremely disrespectful toward SSS and any other non Armstrong Powerhouse 3rd party developer for that matter.

ANY person who contributes time and effort to learning about and then creating or modifying content for this game to enhance our realism and or enjoyment deserves our respect (note I said respect not adoration, there's enough fanboyism surrounding this sims content creators as it is thank you very much).

 

I think it was just meant as a humorous comment.

I wish AP was like Aldi; high quality, low prices, with modest packaging and marketing.

 

Just a joke, Reef.

 

I don't see what that proves. Are you saying that, right now, someone who purchases the Woodhead Route will not get the DT Mk1 pack?

 

Now now, stop arguing children...
The old DT Mk1 pack is indeed now bundled with the original Woodhead, although it's a recent(ish) add-on (a couple years?) which explains why the stock isn't actually used in any of the bundled scenarios

 

Correction, Just a disrespectful joke.

Maybe if you gave up the time wasted on the comedy routines you could learn to fix the 101 problems you always seem to have with the game. Just an idea.

 

Where on any Steam or DTG Website does it say that that the DT Mk1 pack is included with The Woodhead Route?
And I don't mean the https://steamdb.info as that is not official

It is not mentioned on the Steam page or in the Manual for the route
The scenarios don't use the DT Stock so why would it be provided?

 

There are lots of "secret" bundled items in TSC DLC, like Netherfield giving you the 4F, 8F, B1, and O4.

 

And the NSE Class 159 at some point getting an SWT version bundled with it

 

Sigh yet again a thread gets derailed from topic

 

Great example. SteamDB gives the info, and guess what? I bought it, and it's right! I have the bloody 8F and it's not even available for sale. Funny, that!

By the way, app 24025.

Why are we arguing over this? Look at post #36. I literally screenshot exactly what is included with the route package.

Here's a look from my own Steam account. Notice the dates.



Also consider that the Mk1s were added AFTER this date. Steam automatically goes back to when you bought the package and assigns it the same date. This is why the South Wales Coastal: Bristol - Swansea Add-on (notice the small o on a 2.57 GB package, in-game shown as South Wales Main Line) shows the same purchase date as South Wales Coastal: Bristol - Swansea Add-On (capital O, 863.34 MB) for ANYONE who owns the branded version of the route. Anyone. Not me, since I'm not special in that regard, but you can find this yourself if you own the original route. NWC does the same bloody thing.

Before you suggest the Mk1s could have come with any of those, let me move to the app page itself. Which I already did in post #36. By the way, this was added after I purchased Woodhead in my literal first month of owning the game.



Click History. Mk1s were added around November 2021, well after the date I show on Steam. Remember what I said about the new version of SWC being owned before it ever came out on our accounts? This is the exact same thing at play. It was granted to all Woodhead purchases going back in history, and any new purchasers also get it. It's that simple.



Also, in the first screen, notice the HST Buffer Pack is not available for purchase. It shows up the same way, with West Coast Main Line North. It even includes the Legacy Foilage and both asset packs. Look at https://steamdb.info/sub/6236/apps/

SteamDB may be a hobby site, but all they do is pull out the factual information of what is included in each package. Right down to finding missing items; in buying the SWC full route, the Bristol-Cardiff scenarios were originally not included, and I had to write Support to get them restored. Same with some missing North London Lines content in the Goblin Lines. I was able to prove missing content on both routes I was shown to own. And then there's GBRL and knowing why those buyers do not get the Class 801 and its scenarios on ECML to Peterborough. To this day, we still have people asking where it is. It's not there because they forgot to bundle it. It's that simple.

Further, each package I've bought after researching has been accurate. You can bring up the depot of every single included file, and I can go to my hard drive and show you every single included file. So let's just accept that they have correct information. They are a valid source of information, and a personal belief that you have chosen to question their legitimacy does not change the facts, So let's stop arguing and let's get back on topic before this thread gets locked, please. Though technically, discussion of 24044 falls into the topic, having to go so far off topic to prove the point is what's driving this off topic.

 

why does every thread you comment in end up of topic or with you arguing with member’s.

 

For heaven's sake will you please just give us all a break from this damn DT MK1 argument. I personally am sick to the death of reading your petty little fights. I get notifications for this thread because I believe it is titled
Ap Stock Discontinuation Updates
I repeat
Ap Stock Discontinuation Updates
Not an argument over what is included with the Woodhead Route.
Please take your little squabbles to a new thread or in private.

 

I have sent you a DM explaining the purpose of that post. It was not exclusively about the Mk1 (which was just convenient to bring up there). It was discussing the legitimacy of SteamDB as a reputable source. This pertains to this thread because you can look up every retired DLC there to confirm it's truly not available.

For instance, the Class 08 in 24022, the Class 66 (RSDL) in 24023, and the Class 158 in 24024 (not the one available today in any case).

EDIT: That reminds me. Chicago Yard. Used to come with the GP9 pack. It no longer does despite a reference in the manual. Old RW2 package is https://steamdb.info/sub/8321/apps/ while it's found today in https://steamdb.info/sub/18027/apps/ - so 65223 is in the list due to Chicago Yard being bundled in that.

EDIT 2: And now I made a mistake, it's about AP stock, not Steam stock. I'll move on from that as now I'm clearly getting confused.

 

What has any of this got to do with "AP Stock Discontinuation Updates"?
What part of "this thread has absolutely nothing to do with the Steam Database" are you not understanding?
Please stop de-railing threads

 

Just ignore the comments use the report function if you feel appropriate and let admin deal with it.

 

you are correct it was a 24,25,26,27 pack

 

Yeah, I edited the post before I saw your reply. I started to think it was about discontinued content on Steam. I've since straightened myself out and have moved on from that topic.

 

I believe the reason AP don't do a 'budget' range is simply put support resources. You could literally put out the product and state no support given and people would still e-mail asking for support. Don't quoyte me on that though, I'm not Mr Armstrong so don't know the reason for the removal of the packs beyond anything already stated.

Back on topic, I need to check my back catalogue of ap purchases to get a definitive list of what I can see as having been removed from my end to post here to go in the OP.

 

While it's not comprehensive in one shot, the Internet Archive can also help with a list for anything you don't own, Rob. See from March 14, 2015 as a very nice list. On that day, the Locomotive Sound Packs page looked like this (with commentary from me):

• Class 20 Sound Pack Pro (seems to have not been replaced)
  
• Class 31 Sound Pack Pro (now am EP)
  
• Class 33 Sound Pack Pro (seems to have not been replaced)
  
• Class 37 Sound Pack Pro (now a unique loco pack)
  
• Class 37/9 (Mirrlees) Sound Pack Pro (same as above)
  
• Class 43 (MTU) Sound Pack Pro (now an EP)
  
• Class 43 (Valenta) Sound Pack (now an EP)
• Class 43 (VP185) Sound Pack (now an EP)
• Class 47 Sound Pack Pro (definitely removed, not replaced)
  
• Class 50 Sound Pack Pro (now a loco pack)
• Class 52 Sound Pack Pro (still available)
  
• Class 55 Sound Pack Pro (removed, causing the VP payware using it to go off sale as a result)
  
• Class 57 Sound Pack Pro (removed despite many reskins using it, including Virgin; not replaced, upcoming EP suspected)
• Class 60 Sound Pack Pro (removed)
  
• Class 66 Sound Pack (now an EP)
• Class 67 Sound Pack Pro (not on the 2015 page, but referred to below, now an EP)
  
• Class 86/87 Sound Pack Pro (86 now an EP, 87 now its own locomotive pack I definitely need to look at sometime)
  
• Class 92 Sound Pack (still available)

And that's just the Locomotive page in 2015. Go to the MU page to find these gems:

• Class 101/117/121 Sound Pack Pro (still available)
• Class 150/153/156 Sound Pack Pro (150 and 156 now have their own packs, 153 is not replaced)
  
• Class 158/159 Sound Pack (now an EP)
  
• Class 220/221 Sound Pack Pro (lasted a while after becoming worthless, but was removed in the last year or so)
• Class 319/325 Sound Pack (now EPs)
  
• Class 360/444/450 Sound Pack (not sure about the 360, but I know the 444 and 450 are covered)
  • Doomotron confirms the 360 has no replacement, below
• Class 365/465/466 (Met-Cam) Sound Pack (all covered in EPs I believe)
  
• Class 375/377 Sound Pack (multiple EPs, also providing a 379 and 387)
  • Per Doomotron, the 378 was covered by the sound pack and is not replaced
• Class 421/422/423 Sound Pack (sorely needing replacements, it's been too long)
  
• Class 455 Sound Pack (now an EP, though some skins replaced by the EP can still be found)

Note the 442 and 390 were not released at this point historically and were not on the page I researched.

Meanwhile, the Mk1/2 Coach Sound Pack was removed after that page's snapshot, with the DT packs and these later all going away for the items under Coaches today. More Wagon sound packs are in the sounds page today, as well.

OP is welcome to add to the list (without my commentary of course).

 

It has been replaced, by the Class 50 loco pack.

There were also Rail Simulator versions of these I believe, and the same can be said about the Mark 1 coaches.

The Class 67 also used to have a sound pack.

These have not been replaced, meaning we are stuck with the default sounds which make the train unplayable. People complain about the DTG 700 sounds but they are good in comparison to the 360's!

The 378 was also covered by the sound pack, and we have yet to get a replacement for that.

 

I've edited on the 50, I should have known that as I own it. D'oh.

I didn't know the 375/377 covers the 378, so this is interesting information. Edited that in too. Also confirming the 360 is not available. Cheers.

The 67 was not on the list at this time as I believe it came later. The only "Enhancement Packs" at this time were the Lighting Effects Enhancement Pack and the Station Lighting Enhancement Pack, no locos in there at that point.

You are also correct that the 43 modified even with the EP is the Rail Simulator one, from the Euro Loco and Asset Pack. The EP today goes further and also edits the SWC one, and also the ECMLS and Riviera Line models. All but the Loco Pack are in AP files, so the rest can be removed after install if not desired or owned. The Welsh Marches 43 is not updated according to the install I see, but can likely be created based on the SWC one if someone really needs it (I say just get SWC, there's a bloody merged route with the Welsh Marches!). Manual installs meanwhile can bypass the installation of the 43 on the default Euro Pack model, instead copying the GEO files using the InstallMe file to the other installed models. This can be done with a dummy installation to another folder, then moving the things the user wishes to install and running that file.

 

Thank you for not locking it down and thank you for reading the reports.

 

I am actually pretty certain the Mirrlees-powered 37s are _not_ featured in any of the current AP Class 37 packs, while outwardly they'd be similar to the 37/5 rebuilds, they'd have to have completely different sounds

 

They would. They sound nothing alike. Go to 51 minutes and 45 seconds.

 

Trying to run a Class 56 Scenario on Shap.

I have the 66 EP plus required wagons, but nothing is appearing and I get the error message about missing rail vehicles:

wcml2 ygh 03 rusty ld ap

What are those? Some discontinued wagons?

 

probably part of the extra stock pack that came separately. E-mail AP and they might be able to help you out

 

I'd say that is the reason. I know class 40 was withdrawn because of some bug that froze the sound.
Maybe it was soundcard specific or something... I never experienced it myself. I have their class 40, works fine. *shrugs*

But I can imagine if say all people with soundcard X couldn't use it, then it make sens enot to sell it to the general public and then deal with all the refunds etc.

 

A reskin of the YGH from WCML over Shap, as others have said probably from some Extra Stock pack

 

If the scenario comes with the pack, look for the extra stock pack on the page under the manual link.

 

What scenario is it I have the class 56 pack from ap will run it my end and see what comes up if anything.

 

Thanks, I’ll check in the morning. I forget if it was one that came with the 56 EP, or one I recently bought from the AP scenario ‘app’.

I always install the extra rolling stock, so was quite surprised to see this error reported. Thought the consist was just MFA/MTA/MHAs.

 

If you have the default wagons then just swap them for something else.

 

There’s two scenarios missing these rusty wagons that came with the 56 EP.

Was surprising to see an AP scenario that included items in the driver’s train not supplied by them currently.

I have replaced them in TS Tools and all is well.

 

Looks like they rely on the WCMLOS DLC as reskins. Do they exist on UKTS or elsewhere?

 

have a look here and make sure the files are present

“Assets\keithmross\WCML2\RailVehicles\Freight\YGH\Variant2”