Hello everyone, Is there any plans of a London Charing Cross - Tonbridge Via Sevenoaks add-on Based in early - mid 2000's coming to Train Sim World 3? maybe including Class 375, 376, 465 and possibly 466's? The Class 376 and 465/466 could be on the Bromley North and Mid-Kent line, With the 375 on the Tonbridge and Sevenoaks lines with the occasional class 465 to Tonbridge. Well that would be an instant buy for me lol , I am always looking out for any plans of any of these routes. Even if its a Mod someone will be making. Anyway for the time being have a good time. Kind regards, Benjamin. Main Operator: South Eastern Trains (SET) Parent company Strategic Rail Authority Route Length: (Distance) 28 miles (45 km) (Time) From 40m Services: 178 trains per day (From Charing Cross To Tonbridge) Time Period: 2003 - 2004 Route Map: Trains Suggested: Logo:
First mate welcome to the forums hope you like it here and as this is your first suggestion you will be given le way but suggestions usually have more information. Like route length, timetable, scenarios etc so people look at what you're suggesting. Also somethings you should know are bottom right is a quote button where you can quote one's message or messages when posting which would appear near the bottom of a reply your writing. Another thing you should know is how to mention someone so if I mention you for example a I would do @ then your username which would turn out like this Projectoverseer. Hope this helps you and once again welcome to the forum mate.
Haha that's nice of you- usually I tear everyone to shreads (joke.) But seriously yeah - excluding the issues do we really need another modern day southeastern route - maybe and 80's/90's route with peps like my 1066 line suggestion would keep it unique?
Gave the lad le way because he's new and has put it effort rather than most people who barely put effort into a suggestion.
lucasfor49 maybe we could have an early 2000's route of like Charing Cross to Mid-Kent line with the Original connex livery on the trains?
London Charing Cross/Cannon Street to Tonbridge via Sevenoaks would be a nice route. It could be set in the late 2000s with Yellow/Grey liveries for the Class 375 and Class 465 to help differentiate it from the Southeastern Highspeed route. The Mid-Kent and Bromley North branches could feature with such a route. The Class 376 would be most welcome here too.
me personally i’d be happy to have this route in game. yes we may have had a few southern region routes but the devs appear to be very good at it so i say why not bring more
Setting it during the late Connex/early Strategic Rail Authority era would actually be quite clever. The new Electrostars could work alongside slam-door stock and Networkers. The stock list you suggested is actually quite sensible, the 375 and 465 are already in the game (although would need modifications to fit the time period more; the 375/9 did not exist yet at the changeover between Connex and the SRA and neither did the 465/9) but with one new train, the 376, DTG can minimise the amount of work required. And by setting it in 2004 or so potential DLC could include the Class 365, 411, 421, 423 and even 508.
Brilliant idea! I do agree, It will also be the first we see of original SE and maybe the main trains they could include would be classes 375/6 or /7, 465/2 and 376/0. This route could have a lot of potential.
Original SE is a bit of a weird one. The 375s were introduced by Connex, the 376s by the SRA (having been ordered by Connex), and the 465s were being reliveried before Connex lost the franchise. Depending on what you mean by original SE will change what trains can be made for the route. By the time Southeastern (Govia's 2006-2021 franchise) started all slam door stock and the Class 365s had been withdrawn. Going for Connex would rule out the 376s. In this case South Eastern Trains (SRA) would be ideal as it has the new fleets and the potential for old stock, but licensing could be an issue, as they may have to get a new license entirely. It depends on whether Southeastern (SRA) and Southeastern (Govia) are the same trademark, among other things.
With the licencing issues maybe coming in to this changes can easily be made so it isn't much of a problem. But for Example the AP Class 375/377 Enhancement pack has the older SE there so it probably isn't too much of a problem.
Different logo for a different company. AP give you free separate downloads to add branding to their trains. In most cases (bar Virgin and London Overground) this means they can avoid licensing as they are not making money from the brand. DTG do not have the ability to do this.
To be realistic, it's less about finding ways around a legal issue and more a case of finding out who the license holder is and negotiating it. I'm sure Connex has a successor who owns the IP, we know who had the Southeastern Brand throughout and before that was BR and DTG know how to obtain those... Looking at realtimetrains.co.uk an all stopper from cannon street to Orpington is 12 miles 52 chains, 36 mins Charing Cross to Sevenoaks via Lewisham is 22 miles 13 chains and 59 minutes, all stopping after Lewisham Fast train Charing Cross to Hastings (in game to Tonbridge) 29½ miles, 44 mins only three stops outside of London Bridge I think the problem with this route is it's all "big blue boxes" again. The variety on the route is paltry
I know that wikipedia has a page of 'South Eastern Trains' which it the same SE which I'm thinking about, I will look up about it. Not sure what to do with the 'Variety of the route' but yeah, I have ideas for it.
Just remember DTG very rarely do multiple liveries for the same loco or unit so if you're thinking transition or various paint jobs, it's not likely unfortunately
I just mean like they edit the class 375 from SEHS and turn it into a '375/6' or '/7' instead of '375/9', Change the interior (seats and carpet etc), make the paintwork suite the time period and then with the 465 they turn it into '465/2' instead of /9 by removing first class, changing interior design a bit changing the paintwork and changing the seats and floor. The class 376 can be a scratch build so they don't have to worry about that.
This is basically changing the interior entirely. I'm not sure if they've made a "click on" interior as they have with signals and signal boxes... So again, rebuild the interior, and maybe some other parts as I know with the 465 there are various drive motors between the different subclasses.
Yes they may have to remodel the interior that is a thing.. I know the /2 has normal metro cammell motors.
As I say, I don't think they have the ability to redo interiors easily, so probably still a fair bit of work (and knowing DTG they'll also try to update or redo something, which doubtless will break something else)
That is my local line and has my local station: Orpington. Also, don’t forget the Class 466 to allow 10 car services with the Class 465.
