Linke Rheinstrecke: Mainz-koblenz

Yes, it will likely be Orientrot IC coaches - hopefully more than just the Avmz and Bpmz this time

 

They should add in a restaurant coach the WRmz 137 Orientrot. A feature of this one is that it has a pantograph on the roof and it's featured on Märklin group Catalogues.

 

Presumably 127s and 235s- although it will be interesting to see what livery they come in. I doubt that by 1997 there were many if any left in old beige/dark red; they should all have been redone in white/orient red.

 

A WRmz would be great to see. Apmz and Bvmz etc too

 

Good point and why not give the job to it's West German counterpart there are two of them DB Baureihe 151 DB Baureihe 150

 

In fact, I'd say a WRmz is vital - can't have classic intercities without a restaurant car. It's bad enough missing them with the modern ICs.

 

I think it's a bit optimistic to expect DTG to give us a second all-new loco

 

Anyway, aside from the question of rolling stock to populate this route adequately, having watched a cab ride video I was struck again by how very, very many unique bespoke building assets would have to be made if this route is to look at all "right." Rubberstamping cloned "German houses" won't cut it here.

 

Yeah, there's not going to be a new loco they haven't mentioned. An extra repaint has precedent though.

 

https://www.gerdboehmer-berlinereisenbahnarchiv.de/Bildergalerien/19970719-db/19970720.html
At this link you can see photos from 1997 on this railway line.

 

As in the BR 363 being added onto DRA right? Or the RailPool 185 for DCZ

 

Exactly yeah.

 

This is a fantastic resource! It also shows way more BR 120s than I expected going on the info from Datenbank Fernverkehr. Perhaps there is a DLC oppertunity for a BR 120 with InterRegio coaches after all! There is even a BR 112

This is a nice resource to prove the amount of variety on the route, thanks for sharing!

 

The most logical one, besides the 110 in Orientrot, would be the 143 and/or 155 in DR burgundy (with added DB logos)

 

So my hope/expecation is:

103 TEE + IC in Orienrot (with more than two coach types)
110 OR + MIntgrun n-wagen
363 for people that don't have it
Orientrot or DDR rot 155
ICE1 layer
101/TRAXX/143/Dosto limited layers

 

The TRAXX layers don't really make sense as the TRAXXs we have in game are all quite late TRAXX 2 models, with the 145 which was being delivered at the time not even being part of the TRAXX family, rather being a precursor. The 143 would also feel weird in traffic red at this time, but is theoretically possible I guess. Personally I also disagree with an ICE 1 layer, but I get opinions differ on that. The Dostos we have in game I think are partially from '97, but I don't think they operated here at the time.

Otherwise I definetely agree with your list.

Included

• BR 103 in red/beige 'TEE' livery (and possibily Orientrot livery) + IC coaches in Orient Red
• BR 110 in Orientrot livery (and possibily blue/beige livery with DB AG logos) + n-Wagen in mint green 'produktfarben' livery
• BR 363 in blue/beige livery
• BR 155 in Orientrot and/or DDR Bordeauxrot livery with DB AG logos + assorted freight wagons that would fit (Falns and Zacns I think would both work at the very least, Habbiins could also work as they were new at the time IIRC, so should be relatively unweathered)
• BR 101 layer

DLC

• BR 120 with IR coaches expansion pack
• or BR 141/150/151 and freight expansion pack
• or both, or some fitting combination of it.

the above would be my personal (wish)list

 

Interesting. Notable that the 101 was already present in numbers; also that the 103s seem to be evenly split between beige/red and orient red.

Also that there are still some locos wearing blue/beige, ten years after that livery was supposedly superseded.

 

Thank you for telling me about that and what route should the west German equivalents DB Baureihe 150 & 151 to 155 original designation was German Democratic Republic DR Baureihe 250 be introduced to. For me that would be something like Moselstrecke Koblenz Trier Iron Ore duty or Bremen Oldenburg Leer Bad Nieuwschans Groningen route.

 

ICE1 is a must for me. I wanna sit in that panoramic restaurant car while the Rhine goes by!

 

Not TEE; that ended in 1995

 

The picture is in TEE livery though, and some 103s kept that livery until... well they still have it

 

That was also the IC livery, from 1970 until (officially) 1987 but in practice it took a long time to repaint everything. For example:

1993, but the loco and one coach are still in the old colors.

Even as late as 2002, well into the Verkehrsrot era, some 103s still wore the old IC/TEE livery:

 

I love this photo, because it shows how unsystematic things really were in the 90s:

 

And how long the InterCities were! I count like 12 or 13 coaches there.

 

Sadly, that was the death of the 103. The decision in 1979 to add second class hugely increased passenger demand and thus the addition of extra coaches, which was really more weight than the 103 had been designed to haul. They simply wore out, long before their time.

 

Tbh im glad that the 103 comes in the beige red livery that suited it best and not the orient Red, which looked Kind of ugly on them. DB Red is even worse.
But really excited for the type and livery of the included coaches, and again the timetable but i think until more information like another article about this route its still a bit of time.

 

How about the sleeper train in the documentation for the route it would have been written as Nachtzug Schlafwagen (Sleeper Carriage) Liegewagen (couchette) these would have been also run by the 103. As of right now it's actually Dispolok DB MRCE Baureihe 182 ÖBB Baureihe 1016/1116 which is the 23:45 Koblenz 00:39 Mainz.
103 can be the cover art with the Lorelei Rock. For the modern version it is going to be 182/183 and Lorelei Rock

 

I mean, they still served for very long considering they hauled 480 tonne trains at those speeds, for so much time of the day. Like the BR 101 (which is being scrapped even though it feels brand new) it's a case of heavy work showing early, compared to other engines.

 

100% Agree with this, But IMO a imitation IR layer with BR112 and Mintgrün n-Wagen coaches would be great as a layer also.

 

Yes, the 120, IC-Coaches and (finally) the cab car would make a great DLC for this route!

Also, i really hope, the restaurant coach will come with the 103. As there is no cabcar to make, this makes a restaurant car more likely.

 

IMO (others of course may differ), the best livery system DB ever had was 1974-87, with beige/ocean blue on most trains, beige/red on TEE and IC and beige/orange on S-Bahn. Really attractive and stylish.

 

Does those paints applies to DB Baureihe 420 S-Bahn Rhein Main S9 Mainz Hbf Frankfurt Flughafen Regionalbahnhof Offenbach Ost Hanau Hbf or not? If yes then then and in game as AI at Mainz or playable if DTG wanted this to be the 1990s version of the TSC Frankfurt am Main Mainz Koblenz Linke Rheinstrecke route

 

So, we get:
BR 110.3 in orientrot with n-Wagen in mintgrün
BR 103 in TEE with ?-coaches (hopefully IC-coaches in orientrot)

Personally, I wish for BR 101 to substitute with a very low probability for the BR 103 as DB only had few 101s in 1997.

Please no ICE1, as that would be in the wrong era. ICE1s in 1997 had different headlights, different liveries, different sounds, cabs were different, and interiors were different. I could well see an expansion pack for an appropriate ICE1 for this route, like we had with the Dispolok DB BR 182 for KWG.

I would love to see a loco-DLC: DB BR 120 in orientrot with IR-coaches in blue. Substitution chances for DB BR 103, BR 110.3 and BR 101. Some of these sets could have the famous cab-car. On these trains only BR 101 could substitute (BR 103 and BR 110.3 are not compatible with it). This cab-car could then be repainted and changed accordingly to add to the BR 101-DLC, so we can have modern IC with cabcar in the future.

And I hope for layers:
BR 628 from Niddertalbahn (probably only AI)
Not sure, if we have any freight that could layer there, I think most waggons and locos we have are too modern.
Don't forget, only very few locos were already verkehrsrot in 1997, as they just started repainting.

 

That would be brilliant! A day one purchase for sure. Would add real immersion to the route.

 

I love the four liveries of the 80s-90s. Nice pastel colours, and themed by service.

 

Absolutely agree! 120, IR-Coaches, Restaurant coach and cab car. A perfect pack. Though i'd be okay to not have the restaurant if we have instead the cabar.

 

Only if I get my much requested RMB for UK Mark 1 formations.

 

Absolutely, I share that feeling. They come from a time when aesthetics and good taste still ruled.
As kids we were admiring these trains when they came through our area, hauled by DR locos of course, and unable to board (but dreaming about it). By the time DR still was wearing that military camouflage green. Later they got a yellow-beige upper stripe as well.

Hell, I´m gettin´ old ...

 

That's of course very subjective. But looking at the ICE 4.... you might be right

 

Today's color schemes in Germany are either pure boredom (DB: white with red stripes or red with white stripes for soooo many years) or totally overloaded and exaggeratedly trimmed to mordern ("private railways"). There have been no new stylish colors for a long time.

In my opinion, the last "new" noble color was from Abellio in silver with red and black. The company no longer exists, but the trains continue to run under the direction of the DB and have retained the old color scheme.

The 1970s-1990s were really stylish in comparison. There is a reason why many private companies use the old Deutsche Bahn livery and paint locomotives again in the old scheme.


(photo is from me)

 

And I would like to see, an "open" WRmz restaurant car, with maybe some clutter on the tables, food, menus, plates, glasses and a "more lively interior"...
Like the picture above.

 

Yes, sure it is. Personal preferences always are.
But at least the discovery of a train application as an ambulant advertising outdoor was yet to be made.
Duuuhhhh ...

 

YES! restaurant cars in game really look like they have no life inside them (not to mention closed gates in the bar...)

 

Correct and it's also shut on HST ICE trains. They should be opened like in real life

 

Today's roadmap contained a list of all the rolling stock that's coming with this route:

Seems like the coaches will be similar to the ones found with the DB BR 101, but will obivously have the red band livery, as with the DB BR 103, along with maybe a few visual changes. But the surprise here is the two freight wagons. Now if this route is to have freight services, and it seems like this route won't have a BR 155 of some kind (which would have been appropriate to throw into something like this with an appropriate livery for the timeframe), so what will operate those freight services?

I guess we will find out soon enough.

Roadmap Link: https://live.dovetailgames.com/live...article/train-sim-world-roadmap-february-2023

 

Somehow hard to imagine a 90s mainline route without any IRs on it…

 

You are correct however you do have DR Y-Wagen Städteexpress orange and cream paint. If made that can actually layer here as your rail tour max speed 120 kmh

 

Regards the coaching stock, I would hope we might see some UIC types, AM, BM etc. as used on the numerous D trains which used this line. It was also not uncommon to see rolling stock from other countries on through international services especially to/from or via Switzerland. Probably post plastic seat era for the second class stock but the UIC's were effectively the Mark One's of Germany and other countries too.

 

Yes, sure. Forgot about these. Like I was saying: Gettin´old ...
And still they didn´t have that gracious and sober looks like the blue-beige DB coaches.

 

Or the hard seats!