PlayStation Longer Routes?

Having longer routes doesn’t always mean high speed… having a long enough route for both high speed and stoppers and even freight is what should be done. And people complain a lot about how linear train sim world is

 

I would like to see more networks, mini ones like the Cathcart circle or larger ones, for example some of the valley lines or AC lines based around BNS.

I keep going back to Cathcart, despite only having one train as you have a choice of routes and it feels like a proper little network.

 

Really? when did you become god of content? It should be about fully working DLC that fulfils the requests of the customers, not half finished products pumped out by companies that decide what we'll get at over inflated prices because they've alienated so many of their regular DLC purchasers.

 

I really enjoy Cathcart line too, great little route.

 

In the UK it would be impossible to have a 90 minute high speed route which didn't also have a fair amount of stoppers (which would inherently be longer timewise), and freight (most of which is A2B)
The only place I can really think of it some of the ECML to York where there are very few stations to begin with so there's a good run between them even for "stoppers"

Peterborough to Grantham - 29 miles, 18 minutes, no intermediate stations
Grantham to Newark Northgate - 15 miles, 11 minutes, no intermediate stations
Newark to Retford - 18 miles, 13 minutes, no intermediate stations
Retford to Doncaster - 17 miles, 13 minutes, no intermediate stations
Doncaster to york - 33 miles, 23 minutes, no intermediate stations

So that's 112 miles, six stations, 90 minutes...

 

More than possible as a U.K. route then, hardly a station on it and I don't see why you can't have just an express route without hundreds of slower services, much less work and could be sold at a far more reasonable price, O.K. it might not be for everyone, but no one is forcing people to buy DLC they don't want, surely these are things that should still be looked at openly. The current DLC model simply seems to constantly wind up vast amounts of the customer base with the shoddy product quality.

 

Mainly what I want is fully functioning DLC from day one more than anything and why can't longer routes be discussed, sorry if we upset the anorak brigade, but each person who bought the software and any DLC is entitled to their opinion.

 

From the way the menu is designed, the focus on 30 minutes rides, the laidback controller optimized gameplay and the corner cutting during route development, we can conclude that size doesn´t matter. It´s important what you do with it.

If you tell people enough times what you want them to believe and what to consider normal, they will eventually start believing it. Look back at ¨We make shorter routes but at a higher quality¨ approach yet each release is bugged, some more than others.
Just like nVidia got used to the pandemic levels of income and arrogantly asks now for ridiculous amounts in order to keep feeding the greed of their directors and shareholders relying on the fact that they released a top of the tree product which will justify the elevated prices of the ones below it too and people will eventually consider them normal.

DTG will never release a top of the tree product. Not because it´s not capable but because of the politics it has. This matters more.

The worst part about this practice is not that DTG uses it, is that everyone in the world is using it all the time.
GG WP

 

That's a good idea, it has a balance of both, or an ECML south with commuter, semifasts and fast services

 

Tsc and tsw are two completely different games with tsw being much more complicated to develop. Skw was only made long cuz people wanted long high speed and to be fair, it's the same tunnels and scenery over and over again with only like 3 stations to stop at. Cajon pass was quite long but compromises were made and some areas look really poor. Sehs is 90 miles but half the track was there. It didn't require rebuilding 90 miles. Catenary changed and some other scenery elements but the track remained the same. Lgv was one of the longer routes in tsw2, but autogenerated so the route wasn't the most detailed. So to have longer routes, you have to factor in everything. Number of stations, scenery complexity. Sure longer routes are possible but there will most likely be compromises

 

Edinburgh to Inverness

 

Longer route but not as scenic as it goes inland route, added bonus of Edinburgh to Aberdeen is Tay rail bridge. In my opinion.

 

This is why the ecml is a good idea to add because it’s long, has a lot of stations and apart from the scottish border and london area, there’s not that much places scenery intensive

 

WCML Preston -Glasgow is one of the most scenic routes and the ECML around the scottish border

 

Yeah fair point, I love the journey up to Inverness, I haven’t done the Aberdeen trip for a long time although I’m up there in March, so shall compare.

 

That's 393 miles. If you think it's easy to make, I would tell you to make it yourself. Would take years to make. Simrails 500km route took a few years to build. And you mentioned many stations. Would also take a while to make. There's not enough time in each cycle to make a 393 mile route.

 

Are you here to simply negative comment everything?

 

Quite honestly, some sections of ECML that were done in TSC were rather dull and monotonous scenery wise. I'm thinking particularly of York to Newcastle ( the original version ).

The more southern sections were a little better, but not much.

Just my opinion, of course.

 

I'm just saying it's unreasonable and unrealistic to get a full route as a single dlc or even 100 miles even

 

Rubbish, it's only an issue if you decide to put every available service into a huge scenario, why not simply build an Express train only route, no one is forcing you to buy it.

 

Edinburgh to Aberdeen is 92 miles and has 17 stations, London commuter is 28 stations over a 50 mile distance, so stations clearly aren't an issue, they just don't want to make longer routes, which as customers we are allowed to question why and let them know it's something people are interested in.

 

It's one thing to want a 100ish mile route, but a full 300 plus mile route?

Nothing in Simrail or TSC has even gotten close to that. It's an unrealistic expectation, unless you want the route to be bare and boring.

 

Development time / resources is a major factor.
Dtg was supposed to be building tools to help speed up the process. It was first announced in the french dev blog route.

 

I wouldn’t mind dtg going silent for a bit to work on longer routes, that’s why we have the partner programme

 

All my DLC have functioned from day one. I could drive trains, stop trains and keep to the timetables.
They may not have every feature so maybe your definition of "functioning is different"

Longer routes ARE discussed. Longer routes have been made. Routes have been extended. I think you miss the point on what people are saying

From what you've said about you want longer routes and don't care about definition consistency or attention to detail. If that's your view point then that's what it is. Many other people want definition, want it to be correct as much as possible especially the things THEY want, and I'd be in line to call DTG out on those, so I guess the point here is yes to longer routes, or joining routes together and making it easier to do.
No to less definition purely so you can drive a 90 minute green light express with little detail bar "Hey, was that a station I just flew through?"

 

Are you on the payroll? Seriously no DLC I have ever downloaded and a own nearly all of them up to and including Cathcart, has ever run as it should do fully, I'm not saying bits of it don't work, what I'm saying is if I bought a TV and it only worked on some channels I would say that wasn't value for money either. They release DLC too early to grab the money that most in here seem only too willing to hand over blindly for whatever garbage that they sell you. However for some of us this is simply not acceptable and we have a right for our DLC to be fully functioning when we purchase it.

 

They also talked about putting in Gamma and lighting menu, seems there is a huge amount you can do with the audio, but nothing you can do whatsoever on the graphics side.

 

I never asked for a 300 mile route, I asked for longer routes and some of the answers regarding amount of stations etc are simply pish and need to be thrown out with the bathwater. Longer routes if the right ones are looked at are easily achievable.

 

No, but I'm a realist - And TVs don't work like that. If you're going to give an example make it a proper one... Maybe if you bought a TV and the HDMI port doesn't function or similar...

But no, I'm not saying DTG don't mess up, they do. The DTG flywheel still spins as it did many years ago. They chuck stuff out that isn't finished and develop right up to the release date, but that wasn't the point of your post so doesn't actually help in your discussion.
On the simple point of longer routes, only route length and the complexity of issues surrounding that really matter

 

Or have you considered that most people don't have 3 or 4 spare hours to throw at a train sim?
Generalising a generation down to a stereotype of shot attention spans is wholly offensive.

 

[Removed - Alex - Provocative] Some people do have time to spend 3 or 4 hrs to play, so why should they be ignored?

 

What makes you say it is easily achievable to make a 100+ mile route without having done it yourself? Like seriously, what do you not understand. Clearly going to disagree with everything we try to say.

 

Oh get over yourself, you can't go around making comments about an entire generation having little to no attention span and then play the " I have upseg a fragile snowflake" card when someone challenges you. You have no idea what generation I belong too, nor should it really matter if I am of that generation or not, If you go around making stupid baseless accusations, then you are frankly worse.

It wouldn't make sense from a business perspective to design a route gives 3 - 4 hour play time if a fraction of the player base can actually afford to play it. Why would someone want to pay for a route that they'd struggle to reasonably complete even one service?
If you want long run times, play the same route but run multiple services?

 

Gran Turismo 3 A Spec sold just under 15 million units, it contained multiple 4, 8, 12 and 24hr races. Did everybody race the longer races, probably not, did it impact on sales, apparently not in the slightest. In fact since they've removed them sales of later versions are lower.

 

At this point, there's no point in responding to the op. This thread isn't going anywhere productive

 

Something like Westbury to Taunton would be good. If you include the Frome Loop there are only three intermediate stations. Mendip stone and a bit of infrequent local traffic at the east end but otherwise mainly Inter City, either nice old HST’s or Hitachi things.

 

The OP wants long routes
with little attention span
probably high speed
doesn't care about smaller stations so they can be low detail

 

DTG should be extending their routes slowly, even if we don’t get extremely LONG routes, we can always do 70+, 80+ mile routes, it’s doable. Most routes suggested on forum are about 70-80 miles. Start with those and then expand slowly. An ECML south is a good way to start, same number of stations as LBN with like 2 or 3 trains and then add on others as DLC

 

It would make them more glamorous. A nice hidden suprise.

 

honestly, dtg not releasing anything new for 2-3 months and us just getting a surprise like that beats DLC every month

 

Spot on and if they want to keep this going they might as well too longer route and International I've suggested Germany to the Netherlands by using HRR Duisburg Hbf Bremen Oldenburg Bremen & Oldenburg Hbf start points. HRR becomes Duisburg/Bochum-Oberhausen-Arnhem Utrecht 202 km (Broken down 46km HRR 156 km Hollandstrecke Duisburg Oberhausen Zevenaar Arnhem Utrecht) while BRO turns into Bremen Bad Nieuwschans Groningen route 173 km distance. Breaking that down 44km in game with the new build being 129 km Oldenburg Leer Bad Nieuwschans Groningen section.

 

God has spoken people, everybody disperse. What he means is the OP doesn't agree with his viewpoint.

 

Won't happen but what I would like to see DTG do is create a specific team for a very long term project and release in stages, so for example your ECML, they work on Kings X - Peterboro, release, work on Peterboro - Donny, release, work on next phase etc. As I say though, won't happen.

 

What is so wrong with wanting longer routes, that are achievable? For example, Edinburgh to Aberdeen, 17 stations (so 5 less than London to Brighton) is 92 miles, this should not be hard to accomplish.

 

i agree, this is the best way to tackle it

 

Agreed, i would love to see some thalys and ICE routes

 

we need a london overground route, these little network type of routes offer so much more playability than A-B routes with just one train. something like the london overground parts of the lea valley lines, or the north and west london lines with a goblin line in one route merge would be amazing

 

We already have overground routes in London going West towards Reading, South to Gatwick from London Victoria, East from St. Pancras towards Ebbsfleet and along the Bakerloo line up to Wembley. I think London has plenty of overground routes for now. Other places in the U.K. are available.

 

London Overground, rather than London overground routes

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/london-overground/