This is the newest London underground route and has the most unique train in the tube fleet! this is a route map and as you can see it is quite complex, with 2 branch lines. also the trains used on this line are the class 345. not much to say about this one tbh but i think this would be an amazing route!
The Elizabeth Line is not a tube line no matter how they advertise it - its the equivalent if the gwml and wirral line merged into one in the south of England. Not to mention most of TFL doesn't even count it as a real tube line due to it sharing most track with net rail and its infrastructure
Its the equivalent of a German S Bahn Line, on the mainline outside the city and then in a tunnel through the city centre. Just because its Underground doesnt mean its an Underground Think of it more as something like thameslink rather than a tube Line. But really great Suggestion, would love to see the 345 and the entire crossrail Network. Would also be great if the normal traffic along the GWML and GEML to Reading and shenfield would be represented, so you'd have an entire Network and huge variety.
Good idea, I would love both the Purple Train and line in TSW, but it would be the British equivalent of Rapid Transit but with only one train and not two like on RT
Call it Crossrail and I'd be up for it This is why the name is terrible because it gives this misconception. It's a national rail line with the infrastructure, technology, trains and stations of a national rail route. It's like calling the RER in Paris part of its metro
Can't call it Crossrail because Crossrail is the construction company that constructed the Elizabeth Line. Elizabeth Rail would be better.
Bring it on and what you have here is the British version of train similator classic German S-Bahn Tunnel Routes Frankfurt Am Main S5/S6 S1 Hamburg S3 München Hbf Tief. Best value might be combining this with great Western main line London to Swindon with Elizabeth Line or GEML London Ipswich with Elizabeth Line.
No that completely matters on every degree IF THE COMPANY DOSENT CALL IT A TUBE LINE its not a tube line. And tube lines also has weird criteria that the Elizabeth Line doesn't meet.
The problem with the Elizabeth Line and pretty much all tube lines (except the Bakerloo and Piccadilly for the coming years) is that it's all ATO now. You'd just sit there and push a button to make the train drive to the next station. This can become pretty boring. If you'd like to experience it, try the Chines Maglev route for TSC (which has a similar ATO operation).
Good, because being underground was what made Bakerloo quite boring. Tunnels just aren't my type of scenery...
Liz Line isn't on the Underground network and isn't a deep level Underground (note the capital U) line. So it's not a "tube line" What it is is a railway operated by the MTR Corporation (Hong Kong Government owned railway company) on behalf of Transport for London TfL manage almost all public transport in London, although these things are operated by almost anyone who is NOT british, apart from Stagecoach which is Scottish Either way, I think we SHOULD have a GWE at some point that is compatible and we SHOULD have an Anglia mainline (which was compatible for years anyway) and if they want to do the core (which is automatic anyway) then great but no big deal
It's remarkable how much effort TfL (has to) spend(s) clarifying that the Liz isn't part of the Underground. If they keep throwing more effort in it, it might be cheaper to just roll the Liz into the Underground already On a side note, It's always weird for a Dutchman to see the NS logo on London double decker busses (Abellio is a division of NS and has a small version of the NS logo as part of their logo): Fig 1. Abellio logo w/ small NS logo (just above the entrance) If it makes you feel better: its the same here. Yes, NS is still very much Dutch, but all the regional bus and railway lines and most of the municipal bus lines are operated by subsidiaries of SNCF (France), TransDev (France), EBS (Israel) and DBAG (Germany). And here's the kicker: those regional operators, owned by large national operators from other countries, are trying to get the government here to award NS operated lines to them. Their reasoning: NS is big, they are small, and it's not fair to expect them to compete with NS who has all the profitable main lines. Now lets try and open a competitor to SNCF in France. Or drive mainline routes directly competing with DBAG in Germany. You can't* because those large operators have managed to secure those lines for themselves (just like NS does). Hypocrites. *Open access operations, branche lines and international services excluded.
The funniest thing for me is to look at a fleet of "London busses" and see them operated by Abelio, Arrive (DB) and even RATP which is the Paris transport operators... So essentially we're paying other governments to operate local transport which just makes no sense at all to me (though I guess some politician somewhere is making money off it)
It's all one big lobby, where representatives for those operators have nearly unlimited access to those in power and 'suggest' ideas for laws and regulations to them. We get to vote once every few years on who represents us, but companies have year-round five-days-a-week access to those we elect to make sure their interests are well catered for. And although (officially) no money changes hands during those lobbies (well, corruption aside of course), you can bet that those in power will have high paying jobs with those companies to look forward to when they're not reelected. Case in point: Neelie Kroes, once responsible for anti monopoly and fair trade regulations within the EU and in that capacity responsible for keeping Uber's open taxi platform out of the EU, joined Uber as a lobbyist after she stepped down from parliament. Mere months after she did, she e-mailed our PM that 'he really should meet with Uber's CEO'. They had dinner somewhere abroad (because, you know, you don't want the press to find out) and easing the taxi regulations in the Netherlands was openly discussed. You try to get dinner with a PM to voice your wishes. No really, just try and see if they'll bite.
Absolutely. It's really a shame that all public figures aren't required by law to have their bank account details know to the regulatory authorities for twenty years post office. Stop all this nonsense In the end "the common man" gains nothing from any government, ever
Spot on and if DTG wants to make big money on this why not have Union Workshop do a MTR group route close to them and DTG does Crossrail and for a price of a Normal route DTG and Union Workshop can make a bundle called TSW 3 MTR adventures pack. That contains Crossrail MTR London and a Union Workshop MTR Hong Kong China route. All their training takes place at the Training center
Which people interested only in US routes wouldn't buy and vice versa? I wouldn't buy any pack which had US content in it because I have no interest in content outside the UK
TFL pretty much brand the Elizabeth Line as if it’s an Underground Line. The main reason why people get confused is because of the name. If they had named it “Elizabeth Rail” or something like that then people wouldn’t have this idea that it’s an underground line.
It was going to be Crossrail, until the previous Mayor decided it would be renamed the Elizabeth Line. And the public will call it a Tube line, that genie is too late to put back. Does it really matter?
Were - Abellio are currently pulling out of the UK - Sale is currently going through for completion later this year - what brand they'll have in the future isn't known yet.
I've never seen any literature or content from TfL which says that the Elizabeth Line is an underground line. On LU maps the word "Line" doesn't appear on Underground Lines, but DOES on the Elizabeth Line, the roundel is a different colour (same as busses, trams, boats etc which are all different colours too) etc etc The people who get "confused" are usually ones who say things like "Well it's in London, it's under the ground and it connects to all those tube lines, so it must be a tube line, just bigger"... Same as people get confused when you tell them there's a bit of London called "The City of London" in the city called London. Either way, doesn't make it right does it? (I find it makes good sense to pay attention to where the capital letters are in names...)
It's not a tube line. It's a national rail line operated and managed by TfL. It appears on the Tube map, that's as close as it gets.
I just made it that way as part of one Railway company Adventure Pack. although the best option might be pairing Crossrail with Thameslink and Merseyrail as the Main Line Underground routes.
Issue with that Is that I belive Thameslink core section is ATO which makes it fairly boring and adding much more is either just extending the BML or making another massive but rushed and lack of service route in the MML. As for the Merseyrail and crossrail sure.
Because that is something that just isn't going to happen. Union Workshop are still a fair way away from getting in the game. For the price of a route? We'd be in dream land! Not really a necessary inclusion.
Merseyrail and Crossrail are many miles apart... Nonsensical to join them in any way Crossrail onto GEML or GWE makes sense Crossrail onto SEHS from Abbey Wood makes very little sense but has a logic to it The only logic for Merseyrail and Thameslink and Crossrail is that they all have underground sections, though of course none of them are majority underground for their route by route miles
Abellio isn't doing well as a whole. The German branche went belly up a while back too. NS has one line in the Netherlands that (for legal reasons) is run under the Abellio identity; while that's doing pretty well, I foresee the name disappearing altogether in the near future.
For the Abellio identity you might be referring to Abellio Nordrhein-Westfalen which went Bankrupt last year
Yup; that's the one I was referring to. The RE19 from Arnhem (Netherlands) to Dusseldorf (Germany) used to be Abellio and is now operated by VIAS. The trains and livery are the same; only the logo changed. Fig. VIAS Flirt 3 (quad-voltage: 1.5kVDC, 3kVDC, 15kVAC and 25kVAC) with a Flirt 3 (1.5kVDC only) from NS in the back.
They seem to be running Hollandstrecke Duisburg Arnhem Utrecht. I have suggested that since it's the missing link between Hauptstrecke Rhein Ruhr & Spoorlijn Amsterdam Centraal Utrecht. Oddly that might be played like Elizabeth Line and SBB Infra Luzern Sursee the CBTC overlaid on ETCS Emmerich am Rhein Zevenaar section. Traditional AWS TPWS and PZB outside of the CBTC overlaid on ETCS section Elizabeth Line core section while Hollandstrecke Duisburg Oberhausen Arnhem Utrecht you are looking at Duisburg Hbf Oberhausen Emmerich am Rhein.
The line is a patchwork of safety systems at the moment, as the Dutch haven't completed the switchover to ETCS yet (and, for that matter, neither have the Germans). In Germany, up to Emmerich, the line is 15kVAC and PZB. From Emmerich to Zevenaar, the line is 25kVAC and equipped with ETCS Level 2 train control. After passing Zevenaar junction, cargo trains can stay on 25kVAC and ETCS if they're routed over the Betuweroute (which is 25kVAC and ETCS all the way to Rotterdam on the other side of the country). But passenger trains take the Zevenaar - Arnhem route which is 1,5kVDC and ATB only (the Dutch in cab signalling safety system). ETCS beacons are present on that section of the Dusseldorf - Amsterdam line but currently not active (as the lines running into Arnhem haven't been converted yet). Between Utrecht and Amsterdam, both ETCS and ATB are present (and active), but the line voltage is the standard 1,5kVDC. So in practice: the RE19 terminates at Arnhem. This means it has to deal with three voltages (the German 15kVAC, the international 25kVAC and the Dutch 1.5kVDC), three train safety systems (German PZB, International ETCS for the few kilometers between Emmerich and Zevenaar and the Dutch ATB) and three radio protocols (German GSM-R D, the radio system for the 25kVAC section which is separate and the Dutch GSM-R NL). The ICE towards Amsterdam just runs under ATB after it passes Zevenaar Junction and continues to do so until it passes Utrecht (where ETCS is available again). Cargo trains over the Betuweroute only have to switch voltage, safety and radio protocols at Emmerich and can run all the way to Rotterdam on those. In theory (not in practice), any German loco that can run under 25kVAC and ETCS can run on the Betuweroute. in practice though, very few are allowed on it (BR186, BR189, BR193/1293 and the Dutch Class 6400/6500 diesel electrics. The new Stadler locos are currently undergoing approval).
Very helpful and it's the same problem with Elizabeth Line AWS TPWS GWML London Paddington to Reading and Great Eastern Main Line Core Section and Abbey Wood CBTC. Lastly Heathrow Branch ETCS Level 2. Players will need to know when to change over to those systems from one to another.
There are only two signalling systems, standard light and TVM, but the safety systems on each segment of the line is different with core, eastern, western and Heathrow systems all different, and part of the integration of the system was ensuring the in cab signals were all crossing over between them properly (ie this is why there was a period where through running from Essex to Berkshire didn't happen
ETCS Level 2 is also a signalling system. ETCS Level 1 isn't a signalling system as it still relies on trackside signalling. Level 2 does away with trackside signalling and replaces it with in-cab signalling and digital signage*. All that's left is signage indicating sections for orientation (very similar to TVM; they even look similar). While it is true that ETCS Level 2 can co-exist with trackside signalling, it doesn't require it. Officialliy, trackside signals need to go dark** when a train running under ETCS L2 approaches the section that the signal protects, but several examples in the EU exist that shows the trackside signals reflecting the ETCS authorisation. *digital signage, meaning icons appearing on the driver's display that are things other than signals, exist for upcoming voltage changeovers (including iconography for all steps involved), announcements of phase separation/neutral sections (breaker on) and clearing those (breaker off), mandatory panto down, stop prohibitions, magnetic brake prohibitions, eddy current brake prohibitions, regenerative brake prohibitions, mandatory air intake close off, mandatory sounding of the horn and various icons depicting operations to be executed on the radio. So signalling, not just safety. ** signals either turn off all lamps or display a single white light to indicate that there's no error or power outtage, but an intended darkening of all lamps. Sometimes the white light is in the shape of a cross.
