Ny-trenton: Usa Content Is Still Severely Flawed

That used to happen in old TSW routes, not happy to see it's back.

 

Can someone please let me know once the game comes out curious to see if they are other services from any of the other NJT branches since I spotted #3509 belonging to North Jersey coast line heading to Amboy

 

Just a partial quote here. So what you do here Matt is basically you admit, that you = DTG are actively selling a faulty ("completely unplayable") product = LIRR for a full price also with the option to buy an additional M3.
Now what am I supposed to think about that?

 

Isn't Matt talking about his own personal timetable he created which isn't published..?

 

The current version technically is not unplayable as it has a lame and empty timetable. Matt was describing the more busy timetable as unplayable, hence why that timetable is not released for the public.

Though I have to admit, it would be fun to have it as an optional timetable to fun around with. LIRR deathmatch. See how long you survive.

Or you know... fix the signalling and release the busy timetable that way ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

Well, you could think "Aha! I found the smoking gun! Fraud!", which I suspect you would do whatever he actually wrote. But as it happens, if you did more carefully read what he wrote, you might think "Oh, I mis-read it, he is talking about a publicly unavailable timetable. I should probably apologize for making the accusation without properly reading what he said first".

 

It would be great to see a new timetable on LIRR with a Brandon fixed signalling system, there aren't many networks in the sim and this would be a very interesting one with a fuller timetable.

Maybe thinking would be a good place to start!

 

Yeah. LIRR is full of interesting situations and sights when you actually encounter other trains during your runs.

Like waiting at Jamaica and seeing trains going through the overpass. Or coming from NY Penn arriving to Jamaica and seeing trains in the distance on the Atlantic branch. Woodside also offers good moments when there are at least two trains on the station at the same time and an express whooses past on the inner tracks.

In one of my custom scenarios, there is a moment when a train is arriving to Jamaica through the overpass, while there is a train passing under it towards Atlantic and another one leaving towards NY Penn at the same time. Looks so cool with all 3 trains sneaking around.

With a fuller timetable, it would be an amazing experience.

 

Even if nothing much comes out of it, Thank You for listening to the feedback and taking down notes for the team, it's very much appreciated.

 

TripleJ814 thank you for starting this thread. I thought Inwas the only one that thought the US routes were lacking behind our UK and German friends. I think we at least got their attention and hopefully something positive comes out of this. As I mentioned many times I love this game and we voice our concerns and give feedback to help improve and make the game better for all of us. I think JD and Matt know this. Again thank you

 

Watched the preview, and I'm mostly pleased with what I saw and heard. Acela is pretty much a first day buy, but I'm still deciding on NY - Trenton. Great scenery and a sizeable distance but it's a huge shame for it to have such a meagre timetable (compared to some other passenger routes). I really hope DTG plan to add to it in the future, it would be a shame if the same miserable fate befell it as has LIRR.

 

Nobody mentioned that the route timetable said 301 services.

 

Cuz that was known since yesterday

 

I know. But how did it go from 289 to 301?

 

That service was probably added cuz they had enough time to add it in before release. Remember Matt said many services couldn't be added cuz of lack of time

 

That's a pretty good question

 

Yeah - a woeful amount of services when compared to the reality.

The 300 falls apart rapidly when almost a third of them are just depot movements & a majority of mainline runs are for Amtrak. Once you’ve added that there is no AI services to the mix, you have a deserted NEC.

Nobody is disputing that 300 services offer the value for gameplay, the problem is that any immersion of that gameplay taking place on the NEC is shattered.

 

I don’t have the dlc, so I cannot confirm any of the details, but I noticed that there are actually multiple trains heading to/from long branch, which would probably represent the same services as south amboy trains. Also, in the photo I’m posting you can see that these trains sadly only reach Rahway, which I guess in the end is better than none.

 

No mastery for New York - Trenton?

 

Also does anyone know why the alp-46 has only 40 services when the cab car has 92?!
That’s literally more than double the alp-46 amount

 

It is an interesting factor - previously, only the overall number of services was looked at. I remember myself being in awe of HMA numbers. Now that number itself says very little. Let's say 100 playable + 0 AI vs 100 playable + 200 AI - the experience is vastly different. Gameplay content is identical, but the latter would be a lot more enjoyable experience (provided the stock is accurate enough).

 

If I do end up buying the route I will try to post the whole timetable somewhere here so people can see what they are really getting. I hate when streamers buy the new routes but never show the timetable, just the flashy new trains.

 

I thought Mastery was a standard feature now?

Weird

 

Really? If so, then that's pretty sad.

 

Apparently, there's an issue with the livery designer on the Amfleet Cab Car too where the actual Amtrak livery appears in the designer, not a blank slate, A console user posted it on the TSC Discord.

 

If true, this is hilarious. This route screamed rushed in so many aspects already, and nobody bothered to make a mastery for it? Though I admit, I would trade mastery for non-clipping Penn.

 

HMA is a perfect comparison for the issue with this DLC, it may have a lot of services when you look at just the number, but overall it’s an empty route.

Timetables are key to making a route feel the way it should - this goes both ways, nobody wants to see WSR or the new upcoming TSG branch with 100’s of services zipping up and down it. DTG simply have to stay away from New York until they can make it feel the way it should. They have made too many attempts at it now for them to be given a pass on the scenery and liveliness (or lack thereof).

 

Good catch I missed that. So actually this is a mixed timetable from the NEC and North Jersey coast. So we are going to have NEC services missing that go all the way to Trenton

 

t hink it might include scenarios . Either way 301 is nothing to get excited about. ALP-46 with only 35 services that some don't even go all the way to Trenton. It has a mix bag of limited timetable services from the NEC and NJCL. just doesn't make sense.

 

Clinchfield was pretty good at this. Not a whole lot of services, perhaps it could probably use some more mainline action so that you'd have to wait for trains to pass, but it was prototypical and varied enough. Even nicely split, so 8-hour moves could be played piece-by-piece.

 

So here got the complete breakdown for the ALP-46 services
So here the list:
10 services are yard moves to and from Sunny side.
10 services to Trenton from Penn
7 services to Jersey avenue from Penn
6 services from north jersey coast line to long branch going as far as Rahway
2 services from north Jersey coast line to South Amboy as far as Rahway
5 services from Jersey avenue to Penn.

40 total

 

I just bought Trenton and the Acela. I’m clearing space on my ssd before it downloads.

it was beautiful looking on the stream last night. This is my home route I can’t not have it in my collection.

I hope someday dtg gives it a proper timetable.

 

wait so the bundles are not available for canadians?

 

That's even worse than i thought... wow,

 

yup much worse... I just can't believe it. I looked several times to see if I was missing something. I got this list from one the the ambassador stream. Watching the stream and the time he was driving was much worse than what they showed us. Penn had two trains on it. Trying to get the services for the Multilevel cab car

 

40 ALP46 services total, that's bad enough, but only 10 that do the full route from Penn Station to Trenton... that's really bad.

 

Just 10 NEC line services for the whole day? Damn, that's ridiculous.

This is a certified LIRR moment.

 

only 10 actually go all the way to Trenton

 

I think is worse in my opinion

 

This has to be the wort representation of any main line in the game by far.

 

Now, all we can hope for is that they redo the timetable completely, cause it's seriously needed at this point. (and not a paid timetable either, a free updated one).

Only 10 ALP46 (leading) services that actually go all the way to Trenton is a joke,

 

It's ironic, given how late we've seen the NJT cab car, that it's actually the ALP46, that's the rare thing. Given the ratio of the services between the two I suspect services with cab cars on both ends... should work since you don't even need pantographs

 

the second my steam order becomes available i’ll post the entire thing here.

edit: i guess never mind it seems it was already posted haha

 

Can do please post for the Multilevel cab car

 

Looking at the timetable now. It looks like the busiest part is the morning rush. It’s not full but has 24 trains before 9am

many of them have stock moves to sunny side which is nice

whew the depth really shows is in the off peak and evening rush. The evening rush is lacking.

there are numerous coast line trains on the timetable. So the issue isn’t whether or not the coast line is included or not … it’s there. The issue is the general lack of trains compared to the real thing.

I may be criticized for saying this but one of the reasons I bought the route is I have faith in dtg. They are railfans. There is no way a bunch of railfans … especially Matt who produces this game and is a crazy railfan … will allow this timetable to stand. I don’t expect dtg to say anything because they can’t.

but they have a timetable guru and a huge railfan in charge of the game. I believe in my heart this route will see a proper timetable.

 

yup! np

 

I will try to submit a ticket. There is just no mastery appearing for NY - Trenton route in mastery tab at main menu. I play on Xbox Series X.

 

i want to have faith but it’s hard when there’s a pattern of being constantly let down when hopes were already low to begin with.

i really hope you’re right because this is just sad. Rush hour out of NYC is feeling like MARC during early afternoon