Ny-trenton: Usa Content Is Still Severely Flawed

I don't think that approach would last very long if it were the case. Otherwise their catalogue could end up being a litany of routes which were incomplete.

 

Found this on Facebook look how realistic Penn looks

 

Not sure how accurate this is but I would say this.... a thread that was strated by TripleJ814 to bring up our concerns, frustrations, and provide constructive feedback on the NEC NY-to Trenton, has managed to get 42,500+ and counting in 13 days.This puts this thread at 13th from all the threads that I can see.. If this doesn't spark some changes on this and future route release, then I don't know what else would. Not sure if buying their content blindly,not buying their content, or if they don't make projected sales in the answer for them to at least acknowledge and just say "we hear you, we are listening, and we will fix it.

 

I will check out the other harlem notorious services and see if they have been improve

 

I question why TripleJ814 started this discussion, knew what they were getting into right up to the day of release, then went out anyway and rewarded DTG with a day 1 purchase and a scathing review on Steam. I sure hope they bought it just to confirm their initial feeling and to post a review then got a refund.

 

For HAR, I have completed all 49 M3A services to gold. I think this includes some of the known red light issues. I have played quite a few M7A services to gold as well, and can't recall any that could not be completed. This on Series S. I will admit, that on some of the known problem services, I did not have success until I spawned in on foot. This was exclusive to a few of the ECS moved from GCT to Crestwood. So, I do believe the vast majority of these services are possible at this time.

 

This is very well put. I'm not trying to convince anyone to buy anything, but here's my quick thoughts:

Acela- only done the basic training module, but i like it! It's a unique drive and seems well modeled.

Updated Boston- love it- the new lighting looks great and seems like they really nailed the signalling and safety systems with the update. Drove the 0800 Northeast Regional #171, and was 3 minutes late to Providence with all safety systems on. Very busy rush hour with lots of AI traffic. Fantastic stuff.

NY-Trenton- picked up the same NE Regional #171 and drove as far as Metropark before i had to get some sleep. Again safety systems and signalling seemed solid. Amtrak timetable is really good, and the route doesn't feel like a ghosttown IMO- got plenty of adverse signals , but it's not nearly busy enough. It needs to be AT LEAST as busy as Boston, and clearly the NJT portion of the timetable needs to be addressed and hopefully sooner than later- if it is fixed, this route could really be a gem.

Random stuff:

Getting some pretty bad texture flickering on the ADU in the ACS-64. I only tried the NY-Trenton version as I assumed it would be the most up-to-date model. Was this present on the Boston version?

Saw some PIS issues on both Boston and Trenton, with missing info for some services. I do like that Trenton tells you the actual service name/number on the departure boards. I like the flight departure boards at Newark Airport- but maybe they could be populated with some info- right now seems like the airport is closed lol.

Random AI issues (panto down, lights used incorrectly etc)- not sure how these make it through beta testing tbh.

NY Skyline is abysmal, there's no other word- they've done much better with Boston and even San Francisco, which is nearly as old as the reused NEC:NY assets. In-game Newark skyline even looks better. The flat geography of the area only exacerbates the issue as you unceremonially plunge into a tunnel seemingly into a giant grassy mound and pop out a few miles later into Penn Station. The scenery from NYP-Secaucus is pretty dire overall, but the rest of the route looks much better.

The lack of static/AI freight sticks out after seeing it scattered around Boston.

Anyway looking forward to finishing the trip to Trenton (assuming the save loads, *fingers crossed*)

Haven't gotten to try the new Sherman Hill lighting yet. I gave the heritage pack a pass for now- just not enough value for me.

 

I didn't refund it, because I like the NEC, I like the trains that come with it, the gameplay is good, and it's not completely garbage, it's just severely flawed in my opinion. I rated the route a 5/10 on steam because of that, with a proper timetable my rating would go up to a 9/10, as stated on my steam review. This thread was just to make it "known" that this route does indeed have flaws. also, it wouldn't be fair to fully criticize this route if I didn't play it for myself.

(also, I kinda did miss my 2 hour refund policy window because I was looking into this route in the unofficial editor, especially the timetable formations this route has, which is LIRR and Arrow III formations)

 

I was perplexed why there was a second post set up by DTG when this one was full of feedback...

 

Probably because of how big and messy this thread is, the other one is cleaner.

Also to add on to this post;
- LIRR and Arrow III are not confirmed for timetable yet, it's just that the formations are there. here are the posts detailing it Ny-trenton: Usa Content Is Still Severely Flawed | Page 22 | Dovetail Games Forums & Ny-trenton: Usa Content Is Still Severely Flawed | Page 22 | Dovetail Games Forums

 

Not to get prematurely excited, but what would the Arrow III bring to the table? Would it add NJT services that are currently missing? My NJT knowledge is very limited, so sorry if it's a dumb question.

 

Honestly, not sure.

To be perfectly clear though, an Arrow III is no means confirmed, and i doubt we'll see it. But as seen in this post Ny-trenton: Usa Content Is Still Severely Flawed | Page 22 | Dovetail Games Forums there are three timetable formations for it, which currently use the Multi-Level coaches as placeholders. I haven't looked further into it than that.

 

Thank you, and that was after a patch and they surprisingly added freight layers and playable services...This is why I'm keep repeating, that there's no excuses, there were so much time on the LC(I still like it) but they have 1,400+services and numerous ai layers through the dlc; and not ALL is from Brighton to LV....oh yea I forgot they even inserted ai passing GWR every hour through Clapham Junction part of the launch.

 

So here’s our answer to those that are still on the fence. So I will hold on to my funds. I tell you this they are making easier for me not to regret getting this. They are showing us their true colors

 

Looking at the TSC version of the Arrow III, it runs on the NEC, NJCL, and Morristown lines. Google tells me they're similar to SEPTA's Silverliners, which I've ridden many times, and boy are those seats uncomfortable lol.

 

Awwww man...I knew that was coming lol...once again, they happy with giving US passenger content the short end as usual....More excuses will be coming, but London Commuter got more treatment even after 1,400+playable services and way more of ai layers, adding in freight services......And I'm beginning to believe what was said, I think NY-T was rushed partially those freight services in BML had to be imported from that patch(...And now no current investigations to even make a better timetable for the NY-T lol thus is comical.....whoever said this route was a 5/10...I take that!

 

It does show that they are aware of the issue and are somewhat listening. Not to defend the timetable by any means, I wish they would fix the timetable, but a decision for that won't take place overnight, and we'll probably hear about it on a roadmap stream, not on a forum thread.

 

I thought the Arrow III don't run on NCJL anymore.

 

You could be right. The TSC version launched in 2017, so i'm sure there have been changes since then.

 

Ah okay, thanks for clearing that up

From some of the wording, it sounded like there was a bit of a copy and paste job that went on with the route but glad to hear it is just the timetable that's the issue and not the actual route/scenarios

 

I'd like to think that the lesson being learned (again) is people are tired of this rush it out the door approach.

 

unfortunately I think the most likely reason for the lack of services and layering is for the older consoles and they just didn't bother making it better for pc and newer consoles.

 

and the price

 

Of course DLCs can be discounted even -75% off, but that can't happen earlier than 30 days after the release. Last year's changes in the Steam discount rules 1st made the discounts for the same thing not possible to be applied more often than once every 28 days and next it was increased to 30 days after previous sale or release. Since these DLCs were released on 21 February and the sale starts on 16 March, the DLCs aren't eligible. They may however be discounted later, even before the summer sale, e.g. maybe sometime in April or May.

 

They can run on the Coast Line as far as South Amboy, so they can do the 35xx services, but not the 32xx services. They can also run Morris & Essex services out of Hoboken, but not out of New York, because they can’t handle the voltage change between catenary systems on the fly.

 

Ohhh I haven't seen some even to South Amboy...
Yea I know the 3 or 4 car Arrows in and out of Hoboken on the Morris/Essex lines and I think Gladstone too

 

I got WSR & LIRR -60% and -65% off a couple of years ago, so I'm not interested in getting them again now. Wake me up when NEC is -75% off and Acela -40% off, which won't happen next month.

 

Looks like another cracking release knocked out of the park.

I watched TrainSim TV’s video just out of interest and the number of issues that were apparent with 5 minutes were literally mind-boggling, all of which were over and above the lighting being utterly buggered on yet another route.

ps those believing you’re going to get a new timetable for this have to be the most optimistic people on this planet!

 

It’s very very rare now. The double deckers phased them out especially from long branch

 

I assume I am currently not investigating getting the route then. It looks good, I don't even care about the PIS that much, but the timetable and the clipping at New York Penn is just ridiculous.

I do enjoy the Acela, but the route update for Boston Sprinter is horrible, to be honest. Lighting across the route and the F40PH is all messed up.

 

Ahhhh gotcha!!!yea the double Deckers and comet sets still run over there, but how I miss rare appearances of arrows to or from South Amboy and I'm assuming this is rare only peak hours

 

I've expressed my contempt for route but I did try boston(not noticed the lighting'm) but cActUsjUiCe youve done a splendid job with the signalling and had a really enjoyable run.
Thank you

 

I get what it is supposed to do, but how does it work?

 

Had my 2nd run on Trenton just now

NE Regional 172 Trenton-NYP

Had some interesting safety system behavior and not sure if it makes sense, or not.

Just north of New Brunswick

Went from ACSES Clear 150 (MAS 125) to ATC Approach Medium (MAS 45), and stayed that way all the way to Metropark, where i was 4 minutes late. I noticed an Acela about to overtake me a few miles back, but then it got held at a signal. It did overtake me as i was stopped at Metropark, but then i was routed ahead of it and back to ACSES Clear 125 (MAS 110) a couple of blocks later.

Everything seemed normal the rest of the way to NYP, and i ended up 2 min late overall. That Acela pulled into the platform next to me a couple of minutes later.

I definitely could have made up some time between Trenton and New Brunswick in retrospect- wonder if i had been faster if i might have avoided that situation?

Also, the awful flickering i noticed on the ADU on the ACS-64 when playing on Series X is completely absent on Steam version, so i guess that's a platform-specific bug

 

Well im glad I didn't buy this route. U.S content always gets the short end of the stick.

 

I'm glad also. Not looking back. I saved 140 bucks since i would of gotten the bundle on steam and Xbox and I would've purchased the LIRR on XBOX X if they would of had layers

 

People keep buying it up, therefore nothing is learned by either the shrinking TSW community or the developer. They certainly have the ability and talent to do better, but once again there is no incentive to do so. I guess... enjoy the next rush job out the door in a few weeks?

 

Classic Dovetail

 

Not class A game breaking bugs are they, just feedback "we'll look at but not currently working on"

 

Uh oh

 

At this point we all can tell that they have already moved on to the next DLC. And as I mentioned before it has already been shelved. They made their sales. is over. On to the next, repeat. Difference is next DLCs will have more services that this one with AI that I guarantee.

 

Exactly my thoughts. This thread was for dissatisfaction leading up to the release and the confirmed lack of content upon release. All fell on deaf ears as expected. What's coming out next? A new rinse / repeat of this thread can be started for that one now with the same result. I sympathize for those who feel they have wasted their money, but I have to admit the laughs I've had in this forum over the past few months has been more entertaining than TSW3 so I guess congrats to DTG on their comedy club

 

As a NJT engineer on NEC, I find this very disappointing with the lack of trains on the timetable. Why add long branch trains if the line is not playable past Rahway, same with the other lines out of Penn. I get it you need AI, but the lack of trains south of Newark, the lack of local service trains that you can operate.

While the graphics look pretty good I feel like if you could copy and paste sunnyside yard I feel like at the bare minimum could have added morrisville yard, and even had the Princeton shuttle playable, that line is just about 2 miles long.

As a Engineer I could have contributed, but it’s sad I had to join the forums just say my frustration at how much I paid for something that was really only worth around $20. I read somewhere else that no one came to the USA to actually gather data, and even if you didn’t there are tons of pictures and videos out there. I look at routes available from Europe and it’s night and day. At least I know next time not to hold my breath on a USA passenger line from you guys. Easily could have had over 700 trains in the timetable.

 

The beta team provided everything the team needed. The team has plenty of local experts (engineers and other employees included). DTG didn't need to take a trip here for us to give them everything they required.

 

I agree from a reference point of view but do you think the route would feel different if someone had a few days there soaking up the atmosphere to capture that......

I can easily go look at Google images and videos all day long but living and breathing you will always have that atmosphere edge on people building in uk

 

Ehh, it depends on who came over. I provided some great reference material for the decoration side of things and there's a lot of videos on YouTube to get the overall station ambience. I don't think it would have mattered much.

 

Adding brand new services means that the existing services need to be investigated to see if it fits in. Add a few services at a time and test the whole thing which takes hours. Rinse and repeat. So the whole process is lengthy and complicated.

The autotester is good for getting a train from a to b so it can notice some issues like pathing or trains stuck somewhere. But that doesn't mean it's the same experience from the player perspective. Auto tester is not a replacement for manual testing. The dispatcher while you are playing as the driver might think differently and send you down the wrong path which autotester might not catch.