Linke Rheinstrecke: Mainz-koblenz

Same for the 155. Ours has a modernised cab.

 

Okay thanks well with that in mind hopefully they have some DLC planned then.

 

A freight loco is really needed. The 110 was certainly not routinely seen hauling freight. A 140 is probably the most versatile choice - seen all over Germany hauling freight and local services. You can actually see one hauling a local service mid 90s on our route here:


The 150 is another possible choice. It remains the strongest locomotive on German rails (in terms of starting tractive effort) to this day. While the 151 fits as well, it could easily come with a modern route, too. So I’d rather see one of the first two options.

 

I wondered as well about the freight waggons. There are a few possibilities what that mean:

1. The waggons are only static scenery placed on some yards along the route. But no freight trains in the timetable (which wouldn't be unrealistic given it's the left rhine, not right.

2. There are freight trains in the timetable. Then they're hauled by the 110. Which is unrealistic, but less unrealistic than being hauled by the 103. Maybe subsitution with the RSN-155 is activated. PRESS 155 would be out of place as PRESS didn't exist in 97.

3. An unannounced BR 155 comes with the route, which is the least realistic possibility imo.

4. Same as (3.), but with the blue 363 from DRA.

5. The freight waggons come with the route but are in timetable only usable as layer if you own the RSN-155-DLC.

6. Same as (5.), but with the blue BR 363 from DRA.



I don't see, how else the freight waggons would make sense.

 

Unfortunately the RSN-155 is in Verkehrsrot, which would be all wrong (not to mention the modernised cab).

Dream situation: DTG realize they can mod the existing 110 model to create a 140.

 

Another thought: the existing DB blue PIS screens would have to be replaced with the old-style white ones.
(Although the estimable TSG may have made these for Niddertal...)

 

There's a lot of interesting questions and details we'll hopefully get answers to in articles and streams over the next period. I also wonder how good the timetable will be (with that of NY-Trenton being a slight dissapointment). Will the timetable have some fun variety (i.e. a single IC service hauled by a BR 110, because it could happen in real life, some empty stock trains, a BR 101 layer, freight)? How well modelled will the route and the stock be?

It's a really early stage to judge the route, as not that much is known yet, but I'm looking forward to seeing more!

 

I am also looking forward to the first new information and pictures.

With the Niddertalbahn, you could see that the route was being designed in a great way (with many new objects), so I am all the more excited about the Rhine route.

 

I certainly wouldn't object to a low-probability 101 substitution on IC and IR trains- although to be right that would require an Orientrot repaint, as with every extant German loco except the blue 363.

 

Not quite. The 101s never wore orient red.*

*Technically an oversimplification. The first 3 101s wore the trafiic-red design with the light-gray bar in the front but with the traffic-red shade of red replaced by orient red. That’s only the first 3 though, all the others wore traffic-red from the get-go.

 

It is its a kitchen/dining coach

 

Do you mean the Wrmz 137? Restaurant carriage

 

No

 

You're right. For some reason I had it in my head that Verkehrsrot only came in with the 1999 reorganization, but in fact the transition began in 1996 and would of course have been applied at the factory to brand-new engines.

Nonetheless, what pics and video from 1997 I can find online show nearly everything (except 101s) still in Orientrot and Produktfarben- the repainting hadn't yet proceeded very far.

 

I agree and another locomotive can be made to work alongside the DB BR110.3 that is the DB BR141 Knallfrosch. The video is from Train TV Berlin of the DB BR141 running Linke Rheinstrecke Koblenz Bingen am Rhein Mainz Frankfurt am Main Hbf. 3:36 during the video shows era-correct PIS.

For DB BR150 Traffic Red is 150 186 with the swiss pantograph or Green colour 150 091 their location is the DB Museum Koblenz-Lützel where the DB BR120 103 prototype are based at.

 

IF DTG could make a 140 (presumably based on the 110), it would be almost trivially easy to do a 139 and a 141 (no more difficult than the UK 375/77/87 Electrostars). But the 150 is a different matter, since it had six axles and a longer frame.

P.S. Knallfrosch is a great nickname

 

Sry for repeating myself, but the car shown on my picture has been converted and is no longer used as a dining car!

Unfortunately, I only have two rather bad excerpts:




But yes, there were dining cars with pantographs back then.

 

I wonder if we can get repainted BR 112, I don't know if they are modernised when released.

 

This never was a dining car. It's a track measurement coach that's been repainted into TEE livery for use as crew accommodation and storage. There are pictures here.

 

Okay, I wasn't sure if the car was a conversion (from a dining car) or directly a technical/measuring car. Thanks for the info.

 

I'm a bit worried of the timetable for this following NY-Trenton. I would never normally worry for German TSW content, but as it's a brand-new era with potentially limited suitable rolling stock then I'm not sure. I do really hope Linke Rheinstrecke Mainz-Koblenz has a decent timetable though, however with German content being the pinnacle in TSW overall then it has a lot to live up too, especially with recent routes like Bremen and Kassel-Wurzburg, with some great AI traffic and rich, exciting timetables etc.

 

A new era in TSW is something like a new region- there isn’t a built-up inventory of rolling stock available, which was the key to making Riesa-Dresden’s timetable so full.

There just isn’t much in the game that was in DB service in 1997. And the one period loco (110) is the wrong color and has the wrong cars (which are also the wrong color)

 

That is true, but with an express loco, a regional loco (and perhaps a freight loco?) the route will at least have engines to represent all service types, albeit without the prototypical variety in rolling stock and traction.

And even that variety issue can be remedied with a loco expansion pack or maybe two, making it a solid base for all future german period routes. With a 140, some more freight wagons, a BR 101 layer, a blue BR 363 layer a BR 120 and InterRegio coaches you've pretty much got what you need to make a route that has nearly all the services and nearly all the variation (even though you'd need to dive into livery editor to actually get all the different liveries that were there at the time, as DTG only seems to be interested in supplying new liveries in 'livery packs', which I kind of dislike). There also would still be a lack of a dining coach then, but I've come to expect that from DTG, even though it's a shame.

At the very least I think lack of rolling stock is not a valid excuse for a lacking passenger timetable for this route.

And perhaps, super-perhaps, if this route sells well, we'll get a SEHS-like 'right Rhine' extension with a solid freight timetable and something like the BR 140 and 150 or 151. That is very wishful thinking on my side though. Though I'm curious to hear if people would prefer such a thing or an entirely new 2nd period route. On the one hand I think that this would lead to a way more complete end product, and a perfect layering pool for all other potential (very far in the) future German period routes (with most of those locos also being backdatable to the 1980s and '70s. On the other hand a 2nd period route in a completely different place would lead to some more varied scenery (who would choose anything else over the Rhine valley though?). Anyways, curious to hear your thoughts on this very hypothetical question about the future that really isn't relevant right now but very fun to think about.

 

For Nahverkehr Dresden it can be backdated to the GDR era

 

The RHS of The Rhine is, in my opinion, essential. the site and sounds of the freight trains passing along that side are part of The Rhine experience. During my holidays in Boppard and St Goar you can hear them (and the throbbing of the barge engines) all the way through the night. I have seen express passenger traffic diverted up that side when there are issues on the LHS. plus you have the Lorelei Tunnel...

 

I also feel that the left and right Rhine routes share basically all their distant scenery, and share major endpoints for passenger services (with right Rhine freight services probably starting/ending at Niederlahnstein and Wiesbaden Ost in the north and south respectively, except for maybe a handful that are redirected to the left Rhine, which could end in the passenger stations instead). Of course close up and detailed scenery, stations, aswell as proper signalling and junction-laying will need to be made (and some players would understandably argue Wiesbaden Hbf should then also be done as an andpoint for right Rhine passenger servcies). However, I feel that looking at this a right Rhine extension+freight loco pack is very feasible. Then somewhere in the future perhaps a BR 120 and IR coach pack (like I explained quite a few posts above), and BR 101 layers on a few services, and you have one of the most varied, beautiful, traffic dense, unique and well rounded routes in game. The fact that all this is possible with one route release, on expansion release and one loco DLC, even though the '90s are a completely new era for German TSW, honestly makes this an oppertunity for TSW that can't and shouldn't be missed.

 

I think, realistically, we should only expect the RRS to be an AI route, "animated scenery" to be seen from the left bank. To do it in full detail in addition to the (insanely complex) left bank would be impossible within any practical budget.

 

Fair point, but I like to do some wishful thinking

 

Today we got trophies for Niddertalbahn and Linke Rheinstrecke i even somehow already got one. But anyway this would indicate a release date in the next couple of weeks.

 

Interesting and for the first route Niddertalbahn coming before this one because how are you going to play more services between Bingen am Rhein & Mainz Hbf. Otherwise you would have the same pattern repeated all services running Koblenz Hbf Bingen Mainz Frankfurt am Main. Hbf

 

"LFR"?

 

Left Rhine

 

Makes about as much sense as HBK, but oh well, we'll get used to it. Or we create our own acronym again - remember when they tried to tell us that HMA is called MAG?

 

Links Fahren Rhein? - just a guess...

 

LeFt Rhine

 

I guess in March will be the German bundle weeks at DTG. As with the previous US releases, there will be a suitable overview graphic and the usual 10% discount. The German super bundle can then contain SKW, BRO and LFR. The Niddertalbahn will probably be a single release because it is from TSG, but it certainly doesn't need to hide behind LFR. After Easter it's the turn of the UK bundles and then it's not far to the big summer surprise? I suspect there will be no TSW4 this time.

 

Each cycle for tsw has lasted around 2 years so if dtg continue to follow that, it's 2024 for a tsw4 release. This year's release might be just a bundle like what happened with rush hour

 

If that were to be the case they should be announcing new base game routes that might mean possibly international Wunderline Bremen Oldenburg Bad Nieuwschans Groningen 173km. UK Calder Valley Line
US LIRR Babylon Branch and Eastside access

 

To be fair, there’s not much to go off here.

Train Sim World: CSX Heavy Haul lasted one year from 2017-2018

Train Sim World lasted one year from 2018-2019

Train Sim World 2020 lasted one year from 2019 to 2020

(if you count TSW: CSX Heavy Haul, TSW, and TSW2020 together, that’s three years)

Train Sim World 2 was the only one in the series to last two years so far.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, It’s a good bet that it will be some overpriced bundle this year and TSW 4 in 2024, but only one version has lasted exactly 2 years so far.

And honestly it really wouldn’t surprise me at this point if even this year they make a paid update. They took all the starter pack bundles off sale this past week on the steam store without any notice.

 

And even there it was one year in its original form and a second year with a whole new engine (UE 4.26)

 

What would really mark a future TSW4 would be great new features, like a consist editor similar to TSC or a photo mode. Because it's now a serious competitor like Sim Rail on the market, a multiplayer or dispatcher mode is probably being considered too, but would not appeal to me personally. Otherwise a TSW4 would not stand out from a TSW3, since volumetric clouds and TOD4 have already become the standard. So I agree that before 2024 a TSW4 doesn't make sense either.

So there's still the summer special bundle left. Hopefully we'll see one or the other German or American steam locomotive then. UK steamers soon have 3 in number, while the other two big fan groups are still left empty-handed. Besides, there is still this poster in the Training Center...

 

Preview is on Thrusday. Maybe Niddertalbahn wont come out first as thought, if Left rhine gets a stream first.
https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/railfan-tv-schedule-week-beginning-6th-march.65605/

 

Kind of off topic, but could we stop normalizing these constant, pointless re-releases? We don't need a TSW4. We didn't need a TSW3 either. TSW2 just barely made sense due to the Unreal Engine version change, but that's about it.

If you are asking for TSW4, you are asking for a ripoff. The core game can be updated just fine without a re-release.

 

Absolutely understandable, this thread is about Linke Rheinstrecke. It will then probably be released on Tuesday, March 14th.

BTW: it's was just a thought game as and when TSW4 could appear. I'm also of the opinion that TSW2 could have been further developed after the change to UE4 4.26. But from the publisher's point of view it's more lucrative to make a TSW3 version of it, with the introduction of the Training Center, TOD4, 3D clouds and the revised UI and weather system. A new title probably also helps to attract new players, but in the end regular players also benefit because TSW looks nicer than ever.

 

We have stats/achievements for both Linke Rheinstrecke & Niddertalbahn!

Coupled with the preview stream next week, hopefully this means release isn't too far away now.

Steamdb: https://steamdb.info/app/1944790/history/?changeid=U:36519680

 

Who from DTG has reported that this route is not the first? I think that is nothing less than an assumed story and nothing confirmed for the Niddertalbahn so far.

The preview that was given was not in the order of release and that was also clearly stated.

 

3 months ago I'd be foaming at the mouth in excitement for this route, but after the last few lackluster releases am not even slightly excited at the prospect of this being released. And that saddens me greatly.

 

Yeah, as someone brought up in the NY-Trenton thread, DTG made Rivet delay the Steam Railtour pack to focus on fixing EdinburghGlasgow.

Trenton has less positive reviews on steam compared to EDN yet DTG seems to have gone straight to releasing this one as fast as possible.

I’d keep my expectations low for Left Rhine, to avoid being as disappointed. (And even if it is really good, at least you can go “wow, that’s better than I thought”)

 

I'm still looking forward to both routes, but I would like to have the brakes on the 110 and the n-wagen fixed finally for Bremen first...wishful thinking.

 

Going by preview stream on 3/9, Linke Rheinstrecke should release on Tuesday 3/13- looking forward to it- the German routes generally are much higher quality, so hopefully the excitement will not sour so quickly like the USA bundle.