Train Sim World 3 Wcml South (london Euston -birmingham New Street)

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  1. pessitheghost

    pessitheghost Well-Known Member

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    The London-Birmingham New Street line is a section of the West Coast Main Line (WCML), which is one of the major railway routes in the United Kingdom. The line connects London Euston station to Birmingham New Street station, passing through a number of towns and cities, including Watford, Milton Keynes, Rugby, Coventry, Northampton and Wolverhampton. The distance between London Euston station and Birmingham New Street station via the West Coast Main Line (WCML) is approximately 113 miles (182 kilometers), while with the Northampton line is about 117ish miles long. Stations on the line include
    Euston:
    London Euston is a major railway station located in central London, United Kingdom. It is one of the busiest railway stations in the country, serving as the southern terminus of the West Coast Main Line. The station is located in the London Borough of Camden, near Euston Road and Eversholt Street. London Euston has 18 platforms, with services operated by several train operating companies including Avanti West Coast, London Northwestern Railway, and Caledonian Sleeper. It serves destinations in the West Midlands, North West England, Scotland, and beyond. The station is also connected to the London Underground network, with access to the Victoria line and the Northern line.

    South Hampstead
    South Hampstead station is a railway station located in the London Borough of Camden, in north-west London, United Kingdom. It is situated on Loudoun Road and serves the local area of South Hampstead. The station is served by the London Overground and operates on the Watford DC Line between Euston and Watford Junction.

    Kilburn High Road
    Kilburn High Road station is a railway station located in the London Borough of Brent, in north-west London, United Kingdom. It is situated on Kilburn High Road and serves the local area of Kilburn. The station is served by the London Overground and operates on the Watford DC Line

    (Queen’s Park - Harrow and Wealdstone on the Bakerloo Line)

    Headstone Lane
    Headstone Lane station is a railway station located in the London Borough of Harrow, in north-west London, United Kingdom. It is situated on Headstone Lane and serves the local area of Headstone. The station is served by the London Overground.

    Hatch End
    Hatch End station is a railway station located in the London Borough of Harrow, in north-west London, United Kingdom. It is situated on Headstone Lane and serves the local area of Hatch End.

    Carpenders Park
    Carpenders Park station is a railway station located in the London Borough of Watford, in Hertfordshire, United Kingdom. It is situated on Carpenders Avenue and serves the local area of Carpenders Park.

    Bushey
    Bushey station is a railway station located in the town of Bushey, in the county of Hertfordshire, United Kingdom. It is situated on High Street and serves the local area of Bushey. The station is served by the London Overground and operates on the Watford DC Line between Euston and Watford Junction. It is also served by London Northwestern Railway services between London Euston and Tring.

    Watford High Street
    Watford High Street station is a railway station located in the town of Watford, in the county of Hertfordshire, United Kingdom. It is situated on Clarendon Road and serves the local area of Watford.

    Watford Junction
    Watford Junction station is a major railway station located in the town of Watford, in the county of Hertfordshire, United Kingdom. It is situated on Station Road and serves as the main railway interchange for the town. The station is served by multiple train operators, including London Northwestern Railway, Southern, Avanti West Coast, and the Caledonian Sleeper. It operates services to various destinations, including London Euston, Birmingham New Street, Milton Keynes, and the North West of England.
    Kings Langley
    Kings Langley station is a railway station located in the village of Kings Langley, in the county of Hertfordshire, United Kingdom. It is situated on Station Road and serves the local area of Kings Langley. The station is served by London Northwestern Railway services between London Euston and Milton Keynes Central, and Southern services between East Croydon and Hemel Hempstead.

    Apsley
    Apsley station is a railway station located in the village of Apsley, in the county of Hertfordshire, United Kingdom. It is situated on London Road and serves the local area of Apsley.

    Hemel Hempstead
    Hemel Hempstead station is a railway station located in the town of Hemel Hempstead, in the county of Hertfordshire, United Kingdom. It is situated on Station Road and serves the local area of Hemel Hempstead. The station is served by London Northwestern Railway services between London Euston and Milton Keynes Central, and Southern services between East Croydon and Hemel Hempstead.

    Berkhamstead
    Berkhamsted station is a railway station located in the town of Berkhamsted, in the county of Hertfordshire, United Kingdom. It is situated on Station Road and serves the local area of Berkhamsted. The station is served by London Northwestern Railway services between London Euston and Milton Keynes Central, Birmingham Services and Northampton services.

    Tring
    Tring station is a railway station located in the town of Tring, in the county of Hertfordshire, United Kingdom. It is situated on Station Road and serves the local area of Tring.

    Cheddington
    Cheddington station is a railway station located in the village of Cheddington, in the county of Buckinghamshire, United Kingdom. It is situated on Station Road and serves the local area of Cheddington.

    Leighton Buzzard
    Leighton Buzzard station is a railway station located in the town of Leighton Buzzard, in the county of Bedfordshire, United Kingdom. It is situated on Station Road and serves the local area of Leighton Buzzard.

    Bletchley
    Bletchley railway station is a railway station located in Bletchley, a town in Buckinghamshire, England. The station is operated by LNWR Trains and serves both local and regional services on the West Coast Main Line.

    Milton Keynes Central
    Milton Keynes Central is a railway station located in Milton Keynes, a town in Buckinghamshire, England. The station is a major interchange for both local and long-distance trains, and is served by LNWR and Avanti West Coast. Milton Keynes Central is one of the first stops for most avanti services to birmingham and Wolverhampton.

    Wolverton
    Wolverton railway station serves the town and is located on the West Coast Main Line, with direct services to destinations such as London Euston, Birmingham New Street, and Stafford.

    Northampton
    Northampton railway station is a railway station located in Northampton, a town in Northamptonshire, England. The station is served by Avanti West Coast (on special/delayed services) , and London Northwestern Railway, providing direct services to destinations such as London Euston, Birmingham New Street, and beyond.

    Long Buckby
    Long Buckby railway station is a small station located in the village of Long Buckby, Northamptonshire, England. The station is on the West Coast Main Line and is served by LNWR, providing direct services to destinations such as London Euston, Birmingham New Street, and Northampton.

    Rugby
    This is the main railway station in Rugby, located in the town centre. It is served by several operators including London North Western Railway, Avanti West Coast, and CrossCountry, providing direct services to destinations such as London Euston, Birmingham New Street, Manchester Piccadilly, and Edinburgh Waverley.

    Coventry
    entry railway station is a railway station located in Coventry, a city in the West Midlands region of England. The station is served by several operators including LNWR,
    West Midlands Trains, Avanti West Coast, and CrossCountry, providing direct services to destinations such as London Euston, Birmingham New Street, Manchester Piccadilly, and Glasgow Central.

    Canley
    Canley railway station is a small railway station located in Canley, a suburb of Coventry in the West Midlands region of England. The station is served by LNWR and West Midlands Trains, providing direct services to destinations such as Coventry, Birmingham New Street, and London Euston.

    Tile Hill
    Tile Hill railway station is a small railway station located in Tile Hill, a suburb of Coventry in the West Midlands region of England. The station is served by LNWR and West Midlands Trains, providing direct services to destinations such as Coventry, Birmingham New Street, and London Euston.

    Berkswell
    Berkswell railway station is a small railway station located in the village of Berkswell, in the county of West Midlands, England. The station is served by LNWR and West Midlands Trains, providing direct services to destinations such as Birmingham New Street, Coventry, and London Euston.

    Hampton in Arden
    Hampton-in-Arden railway station is a small railway station located in the village of Hampton-in-Arden, in the county of West Midlands, England. The station is served by West Midlands Trains and LNWR.

    Birmingham International
    Birmingham International railway station is a major railway station located at the Birmingham International Airport, in Solihull, West Midlands, England. The station is served by several operators including LNWR, West Midlands Trains, Avanti West Coast, and CrossCountry, providing direct services to destinations such as Birmingham New Street, Coventry, London Euston, Manchester Piccadilly, and Glasgow Central.

    Marston Green
    Marston Green railway station is a small railway station located in the village of Marston Green, in Solihull, West Midlands, England.

    Lea Hall
    Lea Hall railway station is a small railway station located in the Lea Hall area of Birmingham, West Midlands, England. The station is served by West Midlands Trains and LNWR.

    Stetchford
    Stechford railway station is a small railway station located in the Stechford area of Birmingham, West Midlands, England

    Adderley Park
    Adderley Park railway station is a small railway station located in the Adderley Park area of Birmingham, West Midlands, England

    Birmingham New Street
    Birmingham New Street railway station is a major railway station located in the city centre of Birmingham, West Midlands, England. The station is the busiest railway station in the UK outside of London, serving over 43 million passengers annually.
    The station is served by several operators including London North Western Railway, West Midlands Trains, Avanti West Coast, and CrossCountry, providing direct services to destinations across the UK, including London Euston, Manchester Piccadilly, Liverpool Lime Street, and Edinburgh Waverley. The station has multiple platforms and facilities for passengers, including a ticket office, waiting rooms, shops, restaurants, and a range of other amenities. Birmingham New Street station is a key transport hub for the region, with direct connections to other transport networks including the Birmingham Metro/Cross City and bus services.

    Trains
    The WCML southern portion is very diverse from a locomotive standpoint but the main trains which should be included on the route/bundle should be
    1. Class 390 Pendolino: These are high-speed tilting trains operated by Avanti West Coast, and built by Alstom. They have 9 and 11 car formations that run between London Euston and Birmingham New Street, and on to other destinations in the north-west of England and Scotland.
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    2. Class 350 Desiro: These are electric multiple units operated by London North Western that run between London Euston and Birmingham New Street, with stops at stations including Watford Junction, Northampton, and Wolverhampton.
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    Class 710
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    Class 220
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  2. pessitheghost

    pessitheghost Well-Known Member

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    Class 323
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    Class 730 (DLC)
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    Class 805/807 (DLC)

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    Final DLC Suggestion ( Wolverhampton Extension) and Future Route merge

    Wolverhampton line is a section of the West Coast Main Line that runs between Birmingham New Street station and Wolverhampton station. It is a busy commuter route and is served by several train operators including Avanti WC, LNWR West Midlands Trains and CrossCountry.

    The line has several intermediate stations including:

    Smethwick Rolfe Street:
    Smethwick Rolfe Street is a railway station located in the town of Smethwick, West Midlands, England
    Smethwick Galton Bridge:
    This station serves the town of Smethwick and provides interchange with the Midland Metro tram network.
    Sandwell & Dudley: This station serves the towns of West Bromwich and Dudley, and provides interchange with the Midland Metro tram network.
    Sandwell and Dudley:
    Sandwell and Dudley is a railway station located in the town of West Bromwich in the West Midlands region of England. It is situated on the line between Birmingham New Street and Wolverhampton.
    Dudley port:
    Dudley Port railway station is a railway station located in the Tipton area of Dudley, West Midlands, England. It is situated on the line between Birmingham New Street and Wolverhampton
    Tipton:
    Tipton railway station is a railway station located in the Tipton area of Dudley, West Midlands, England

    Coseley:
    Coseley railway station is a railway station located in the Coseley area of Dudley, West Midlands, England

    Wolverhampton:
    This station serves the city of Wolverhampton and provides interchange with local bus services. The distance between Birmingham New Street and Wolverhampton by train is approximately 12 miles.

    Route Mergers with the BCC: Adding the WCML south gives the ability for the route at New Street to be merged with the WCML south, and unlocks another whole layer of networks, and gives New Street more life. The route being merged means of a cross country train is ever added, it unlocks the ability to do coventry - bromsgrove services which is the XC core, the route is about 1hr 30 mins long on faster non stop services which do Euston - Coventry - Birmingham, and Semi fasts which do Euston - Watford - Milton Keynes - Rugby - Coventry - Bham Intl and Bham, and even the slower LNWR which go via northampton and do the services to new street which take about 2 hours, also the Southern trains can go from Wembley Central - Hemel Hempstead for LBN owners, making this route very diverse and even freight add on packs can be made for the WCML South which unlocks a freight layer for Gen 9/PC, also merging the bakerloo line unlocks access to E&C to H&W making the route full of services and giving more of a network feel.

    Retro DLC
    DLCs like Electric Legends of the west coast can be made and give the purchaser access to the Class 81-87 first gen locos, the Class 90 and the APT, making this route available for everyone to use and for older and newer fans, Also a valenta HST for North Wales Coastal on this DLC can give the buyer access to the London - Rugby Intercity Services.


    Conclusion:

    I think this would be a good route to test TSW 3, ticks all the boxes, Route length, Network feel, balance of shorter and longer commuters/ semi fast / regional, mainlines, and also gives access to the more requested locos. This would be a great summer DLC for UK railfans, and I believe would be very profitable due to high demand.

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  3. lucasfor49

    lucasfor49 Well-Known Member

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    *sigh* another one to the list...
     
  4. matt#4801

    matt#4801 Well-Known Member

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    A lot of miles, a lot of stations, a lot of stock so a small chance of being made. However if it were to be made I would prefer it to backdated a few decades.
     
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    Excellent Idea since it is a requested TSC route that must be made for TSW 3. Are you trying to make TSW 3 version of the TSC workshop WCML South Birmingham Cross City merger by using Birmingham New Street as the common origin point or not? If yes this can be sold as a Bundle called TSW 3 WCML & BCC Starter edition complete with SFS Hannover Würzburg and Cajon Pass and also standalone bundle TSW 3 BCC & WCML South
     
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    pessitheghost Well-Known Member

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    yep, like the american bundle we recently got, we would get the WCML South(with DC Lines), BCC and Bakerloo line as one big bundle then one or two DLC locos
     
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    pessitheghost Well-Known Member

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    honestly, it is 42 stations in total, but i would just like to see how they would do it, but i wouldn’t mind an ECML or WCML post electrification (or a midland mainline)
     
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    pessitheghost Well-Known Member

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    mine is definitive, the suggestion is well planned
     
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    matt#4801 Well-Known Member

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    I think that ECML Peterborough to York would be a good fit for an intercity route (modern or backdated) as although it is 112 miles there are only 6 stations and much of the route is open countryside.
     
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    i’m currently in the process of making a suggestion for this route
     
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    matt#4801 Well-Known Member

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    It's like I'm a mind reader!! I very much look forward to it as it's my home stretch of the line.
     
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    pessitheghost Well-Known Member

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    it would be a really nice route, but i’d prefer it set post electrification of the ECML, so we can at least get electras and maybe azumas
     
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    matt#4801 Well-Known Member

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    2019 would be perfect if you want it modern though personally I would go late 70s/early 80s to have Deltics and Valentas. In 2019 Azumas were introduced and HSTs and 225s were still bombing about.
     
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    pessitheghost Well-Known Member

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    alright, i’ve made a suggestion about it, check it out
     
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    Sorry I hadn't seen it when I started typing that out so I've now gone and typed pretty much the same thing out on there!!
     

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