Niddertalbahn Preview - March 17th @ 19:00 Utc - Question Thread

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  1. solicitr

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    Because it costs the railroad money. Granting a brand license does not.
     
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    Yet DB see to be very keen to see their stuff in the game and apart from the 204 with its Rivet physics and the Skyhook attempt at the 187 it all seems very high fidelity. I mean the 612 and G6 are very good in all respects and was presumably done with full access, so why not the 628. Just seems a bit odd to me, the end customer, being asked to pay the same price, well actually £5 more, for some thing not as authentic as previous German content.
     
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    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    DB changed the rules with Covid. They no longer allow those sound surveys. Anyone who wants to do a German train now needs to locate one in private hands.
     
  4. DTG Matt

    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    It's different for all the companies. Some will bend over backwards and support as much as they possibly can - to the other extreme where you can use the license image and branding, but, they wont engage with simple questions or even permissions to come and do a survey without risk of being arrested for looking frankly worrying with a camera pointed at all kinds of infrastructure. Some operators will let us come climb all over their locos while in depot, but are not able to allow us to attach recording equipment out on the mainline to capture running sounds. Everyone's got different guidelines to work within and that's how the real world works.

    ... and you know what, that's just gotta be fine. Because the only other option available is to not do it really.

    We always start discussions with branding + access + information, and see where it goes from there, but if they are unwilling (for whatever reason, it doesn't matter, it's entirely their decision) to make access available, we're not going to throw the whole license out because we can still make good use of it.

    If you're thinking "but surely it sounding good and being authentic will be good for their brand?" - nobody thinks like that except people in this community, for the most part. Vast majority of people who drive their trains in the sim are nowhere near being their customers anyway.

    I don't think we've had a reference trip to Germany in a long time. Chalk it up to people like Maik being *exceptionally* good at what they do.

    As far as pricing - you also have to realise that if we can't get the full authentic sound set, then *more* work has to be done to make up for that and come up with something as close to real as possible, that's not less work, it's quite considerably more. Again, the other option is not to have the train - and for that, we leave the decision to the purchaser on the basis that we suspect most would prefer to have the train as good as possible rather than not at all if it can't be perfect.

    My big respect and thanks to the companies that work with us to let us access their brands, and as often as they possibly can their equipment, and to those like Maik, Ed and our setup and audio teams who frankly work magic to bring it all together at the end.

    It's not always a perfect result - but it's usually damn good in my opinion, particularly knowing the trials and struggles to get it to that point.

    ... and that 628 is awesome fun, just saying. Before you write it off, experience it properly and then decide.

    Matt.
     
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  5. JonnE

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    With my local line being served by 612s and 628s for a long time I feel intrigued to add that they really don't sound that different in reality. Especially the interior sounds of TSWs 612 are very close to the 628 even without modifications. And given how powerful modern audio tools are this really shouldn't matter that much. Even the 612 stock sound is capable of offering a quite immersive 628 experience audio-wise so at this point where we haven't heard the final audio even once there is no need to be concerned about it. :)
     
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  6. OldVern

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    Appreciate the response Matt. I think I will be happy to give the route a go, as I said.

    And at least it won't sound like the Aussie Alco from Trainz (I hope!).

    And of course doing a search for Niddertalbahn on Steam (not there yet) it is in severe danger of getting lost in all the Trainz versions. I can see some nice headaches for Support when people inadvertently buy TANE/TRS19/Trainz Plus version then wonder why it doesn't work in TSW!!
     
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  7. Crosstie

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    Yes, Niddertalbahn will be my first German route in a long time. I think Dresden Riesa was the last. It's older, diesel and I'm curious about TSG, plus it looks very good, scenically.

    I'm weighing the other German route, wondering how much one will add to the other. I hope they address this in the streams.

    I could do both, as I won't be getting either of the UK routes right away, just the SD70ACe for Cajon.
     
  8. DTG JD

    DTG JD Director of Community Staff Member

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    Thanks for the questions so far. I've seen some of the questions will have been answered in March's Roadmap article, so would recommend giving it a read prior to the stream:

    https://live.dovetailgames.com/live/train-sim-world/articles/article/tsw-roadmap-march-2023

    And for those concerned that answering a question on this thread means it won't be answered on the stream: if you're asking a question here, there are probably lots of others who would also like the answer, so even if it's answered here, we'll - where possible - also ask it live too.
     
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  9. noir

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    Maybe to add to the above one, can we expect more loco addons for german content overall? We did not get any since 2021, and no, repaints don't count.
     
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  10. DTG JD

    DTG JD Director of Community Staff Member

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    Just checked - no subbing in for either of the locos (the 628 or 365).
     
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  11. rennekton#1349

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    That's out of the era and no plans for it. Tsg is creating a 218 dlc much later down that line but most likely won't run freight.
     
  12. solicitr

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    Why would a 218 be out of era? The V 164s entered service in the 1960s.
     
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    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    If you look it up on wikipedia, the 218 entered service on the route in 2002. The route is set on 1992.
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  14. solicitr

    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    However, the English Wiki section on services only begins in the late 90s. Check German wiki:

    Danach übernahmen dieselhydraulische Loks mit Mittelführerstand (V100) bis diese von dieselhydraulischen Loks mit Endführerständen (Baureihen 216, 215 und 218) abgelöst wurden. Ergänzt wurden die lokbespannten Züge von dreiteiligen Uerdinger Schienenbusgarnituren [VT 98, later BR 798], wobei der Motorwagen i. d. R. bergseitig fuhr. Ein Zugpaar mit dieser Garnitur fuhr von Stockheim über Heldenbergen-Windecken nach Hanau und zurück. Später übernahmen Triebwagen der Baureihe 628 deren Leistungen auf der Niddertalbahn.
    Before the advent of the TRAXX diesel 245, loco-hauled passenger on unelectrified lines pretty much had to be pulled by a V 100, V 160 or V 200.
     
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  15. lux#4689

    lux#4689 Well-Known Member

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    can you please show, if the indicators for PZB work correctly (mostly if under 500Hz), so that the BR 628 does not have the same bug as the BR 103 and BR 110?
     
  16. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    Niddertalbahn isn't out yet. Preview tomorrow
     
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    lux#4689 Well-Known Member

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    yes, that is why I ask in the question thread for the Niddertalbahn preview stream, if the BR 628.2 from Niddertalbahn has the same bug ...
     
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    I haven't yet got a German route, other than what comes default with TSW 2 (Route was almost instantly uninstalled), but I suspect Niddertalnbahn will be the first to break that trend!
    Single track branchlines are my jam!
     
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  19. Crosstie

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    Well posted. This is a question- for- the -stream thread. We're not looking for responses from other posters at this point, unless they work for DTG or TSG.
     
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  20. lux#4689

    lux#4689 Well-Known Member

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    Other posters can answer, if they know the answer. (A lot of people are asking stuff, we already got an answer on the roadmap or in a stream, or in a different thread,so no need to ask it again then, and thinking they must answer it in the stream.)
    But if I ask a question, and I just get told no idea, it has not released yet, preview is tomorrow, then it does not help.

    As JD has said:
    "I've seen some of the questions will have been answered in March's Roadmap article".
     
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    lux#4689 Well-Known Member

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    A question to Joe about the timetable:
    Are the sugar beet trains seasonal like irl? or do they run all year round?
     
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    I dont think Joe did it this time, but I can see why you thought it was because it looks like it is going to be very good.

    The question is still relevant since Wikipedia says the sugar beet train ran only in November.
     
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    lux#4689 Well-Known Member

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    Joe has said, that he has worked on the timetable ...
     
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    Great! His timetables are usually awesome. Thought he wouldnt because I see him work on UK content most of the time.
     
  25. DTG JD

    DTG JD Director of Community Staff Member

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    This question was asked on Discord. They run all year round.
     
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  26. SHINO BAZ

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    Is the DB BR 365 total new or just a different variant of the DB BR 363?
    What kind of wagons is it pulling?New ones or exsisting ones already?
    And is this the only freight wagon type on this routes?
     
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    Some answers can be found in the roadmap article and the most recent article if you go on dovetail live. There's a new freight car. And the 365 is a different variation of the 363. They're like in the same family. It's got a different interior for starters and different physics from what I've read. Also different engine but I don't think tsg had recordings for that. We'll have to wait until the preview to find out.
     
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    Yea it is different it's a fully remote controlled locomotive.That could explain why the cabs different and the engine as well.
     
  29. Fitz

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    The 363 in the game actually has the remote control unit in the cab behind the driving position.
     
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  30. solicitr

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    No, the 363s are former 365s: they are all R/C capable.
     
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    Would the 218 or 245 fit with the time period? Those would be nice additions.
     
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    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    For passenger services, no. 218 ran passenger services in 2002 and the 245 came much later. Apparently the 218 ran freight if you look on German wiki during the time. But I think by the time tsg releases that, players will have played all the services
     
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    You have said that before, but it's incorrect, based on the English Wiki article which only describes operations beginning in the late 1990s. In fact V160 types hauled passengers on the route from the 1960s onward- all loco-hauled passenger on nonelectrified local routes used V 100s or V 160s; there were really no other options save the lordly V 200 express locos.
     
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    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for that. Did the 628s and the 218s always run together or was there a period where only the 628s ran?
     
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    We will have a new ES50 freight car. Will this wagon also appear on other routes?
     
  36. solicitr

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    The general pattern was to use loco-hauled trains during peak hours, and DMUs when there was less demand. Originally these were steam engines (often with old two-axle "thunderboxes"!), but by the early 60s V 100 Geeps with Umbaue or occasionally Silberlinge for the rush hours, and VT 98 DMUs for off-peak services. These were gradually replaced by 218s* and 628s. I can't find specific dates, however.

    *The main series of V 160 freight locos were redesignated 216 in 1968, but some were equipped with HEP for passenger work and they were tagged 218
     
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    Any news on midden manline
     
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    No. This is a preview stream of niddertalbahn, not Midland mainline
     
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    No, they said at the end of the stream that they'd run out of time to add the ES50 as a layer on Linke Rheinstrecke (it would probably be out of period on any other German line).
     
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    The Es550 freight car, marked ES on Czech railways, can be used on any German-issued railway line. They are still used today. They carry coal and iron scrap. This wagon could be on the RSN and MSB sidings.

    IMG_20220913_180930~2.jpg
     
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    Do you mean actually running them up to the power station Werdohl Elverlingsen Ruhr-Sieg Strecke RSN?
     
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    I was thinking of equipping these wagons with sidings. These wagons are suitable for local services. In my town, they supply coal to the railway station.
     
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  43. DTG JD

    DTG JD Director of Community Staff Member

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    Morning, folks.

    Stream is available here to watch now (with timestamps):



    The 10in10 we showed is available here:

     
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    Does anyone know if they Said if repaints will spawn in Timetable mode. Really looking Forward to a mixture of mint and Traffic red 628s
     
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    In 1992??????
     
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    Get it now and these are also suited for Schnellfahrstrecke Köln Aachen Düren Köln Ehrenfeld runs since the area around Düren grows sugar beets (Zuckerrüben)
     
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    What i'd like and whats realistic are sometimes two different things.
     

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