Hello everyone. Just a quick note to say that I'm so sad that Rivet isn't building more Swiss roads! Mr Rivet, please, take another Swiss route, I'm sure today you would do much better than Arosa! Personally I love Arosa even if the mountains are not very pretty, this road is overall very pleasant especially in winters when it becomes very beautiful! Who thinks that Rivet should make new route in Switzerland? Maybe if we show them we want another one they'll think about it and make one? I would love to have the Surselva Line on TSW3
+1 from me for more Swiss mountain railways in TSW. As much as I enjoy Luzern, it didnt feel particularly Swiss to me being a lowland route it could have been based anywhere really. What we really need is a busy Mountain freight route set in the mountains.
I don't know if the boss of Rivet is called Mr Rivet, but I know that the responsible community manager is called Jasper. He's also a member of this forum and collects feedback all the time. Like DTG, Rivet Games would also have to plan content for the next fiscal year at the moment. There will certainly be routes from the european mainland again!
Sorry, I'm very, very rarely on the forums. I didn't know what the "MR Rivet" was called! Thanks for the tip, next time I'll know his name
Well they need to sort out loco physics, i.e. eliminate the jerky start and speed changes, but after driving Arosa a few times the scenery isn’t too badly done given the likely constraints of the game engine. I would certainly be interested were they to do the Albula or Bernina Line for TSW, or at least part thereof.
Well there formula so far has been to make 1 British route, 1 Swiss route, 1 British, 1 Swiss etc, so assuming they stick that formula, there next route will be a Swiss route.
That’s not only thing they need to fix class 150/2 from west Cornwall local still a mess and nothing like a sprinter
I'd love to see them take on another Alpine route. The GE 4/4 II deserves to stretch its legs a bit more on a longer route, and maybe sit alongside a newer train within a busier timetable. We'll see, as it stands Rivet have nothing on the roadmap now the WCL expansion pack has launched so something else is bound to come eventually.
THANKS. You know there is undoubtedly only a very small part of the players on the forums! Personally I go there very rarely, I have many other games and if I had to go to each forum I wouldn't be able to have enough time to play ! I also thank Jasper for reading me, i really hope for another road from you.
I agree that more Swiss routes would be welcome. Now that the UK has several third parties (ATS, JT, Skyhook) - I think it would be a good idea for Rivet to focus on Swiss content and build up a large collection there. That way Switzerland could be a “main” country in the game, instead of just a couple one-off routes. Plus focusing on one area could improve the quality of their content. Switzerland products could have large popularity if there was a big collection of them, with layering opportunities etc.
Yes definitely. Plenty of amazing routes out of Chur for them to bomb along on. It dosen’t have to be from Chur of course but if they can use Chur then they can spend more time modelling other parts of a new route.
I just bought Arosa in the sale, despite negative reviews about the mountain scenery mainly. I still like ambience of the mountain locale.
Arosa really is decent in winter; the snow makes the scenery palatable, quite nice even. And they have definitely cleaned up the loco physics, except for the startup lurch. Even from the start, the Ge 4/4 was beautifully modeled. From a visual perspective one of the best locos in the game.
Post patch which fixed the timetable and made other improvements, I really don't get the toxicity by segments of the community towards this route.. Ive spent many an hour enjoying the scenery whilst managing my speed on the north bound services, southbound is very much a sit back relax and enjoy the views.
Why is critism labeled as toxic? If you make a Swiss route in the mountains there should be trees all over, which the route lacks a lot! Lowres mountain, ground textures, using the same wall texture over and over, same for that crappy looking hedge. It's lazy route building! Why should we (I) accept that? Not to mention the things they broke with the patch.. (weird sound fx, launching cab movement) Anyway, It's still a nice route, but Rivet cuts too much corners.
Those are valid criticisms which I share, but we do have to remember this was only their 2 route in TSW. I was more referring to those who state Rivet should be banned from ever releasing any TSW content again with my remarks over the toxicity.
Wth the existing RABe 523 (personally one of my favourite trains in TSW) I really want to see a longer and really busy standard-gauge Swiss route - that would be brilliant.
Definitely agree! As someone already said: the UK has a lot of add ons and 3rd parties, while Switzerland only has these two beautifully made route! My favourites in TSC are the Swiss routes for sure and I would love to see the Surselva line and also the Gotthard with a Re460, EW IV, Bt cab car and if you own Luzern-Sursee you can use the flirt (and for the freight one could use the Br185.5, Br182 and maybe an Re420/620 as an add on in the future). I guess we will see whether we are lucky on the next roadmap- especially since the last Swiss route is a little older than one year!
"The mountain textures are disappointing and could have been better" is adequate criticism enough. It makes the point just fine. "Lazy route building" is toxic and abusive. It really is that simple. You have zero evidence to claim Rivet are being lazy. As I recall at the time, Rivet explained why they hadn't done more with the mountains, it was because they didn't believe the cost to performance was worth it and focused their efforts on the near-scenery. This is a perfectly fine explanation. You may disagree with their decision, but claiming with no evidence whatsoever that just because they didn't do the thing you want, they are lazy, is quite literally toxic. Over and over again we see people do this on these forums, there's something that could have been better with a route or a loco, and instead of simply pointing that out in a constructive way, people throw terms around like laziness, sloppiness, or cutting corners, which is literally the opposite of constructive feedback, it is deliberately destructive and abusive, and it's boring listening to people pretend they don't understand what the words they use actually mean when it is incredibly clear from many many people on here that they write their posts to be as vindictive and mean-spirited as possible, because they want to express their dissatisfaction in the only way they know how, with anger and frustration (this is a middle aged male dominated space, afterall).
I'd definitely like to see another Swiss metre gauge route (Hint - Luzern - Interlaken). But, if we are after RHB then one with some additional freight wagons that can also be used on Chur-Arosa would be fantastic. Having the Niddertalbahn, perhaps Maik and co. can share their scenery secrets with Rivet to see if the mountain trees can be upgraded.
Claiming performance was the reason they left out one of the most important features in Swiss scenery while other routes have trees filling miles and miles of mountains is kinda weird no? Copy and paste assets without rotating or moving a asset a bit on scenery a few yards away so it doesn't look like one flat wall with one stone texture for a mile is lazyness, you can call it toxic or abusive I dont care. And one more thing, look at my post here and what I did spending a few minutes (15 maybe) now tell me this was not done because of performance by Rivet.
To imply that the only way "middle aged males" know how to express dissatisfaction is through "anger and frustration" is, well, ironic in a post which decries toxic and abusive language.
It's crazy how on this forum everything ended in shouting matches! So it's impossible to have a "clean" post with desires instead of having always and again the same people who always come to be full of the same stuff? Personally I don't care about the mountains, I want another route, if you don't like it, don't buy it or get your money back and stop constantly complaining. We all know how it ends. Back on topic please. So who for another road in Switzerland and especially where?
The scenery could be better but as I said earlier, despite my preconceptions from reading reviews and forum posts, it's not bad. I would happily take an Albula, Bernina or Scuol line using similar scenery techniques. There is far less wrong with Arosa than WCL with its scenic licence and dysfunctional Class 150.
As a middle-aged male myself, I have to agree with both these posts. At the end of the day, it's easy to assume that something is easy if you don't know better. It's also easy to assume that if it was as easy as it seems, it would have been done. Half empty/half full. We all decide which we want to be.
Honestly, I'd like to see some kind of freight next time, or a mix of passenger and freight. (Arosa barely counts with the freight wagons only appearing in Scenarios and the paid Anniversary Collection timetable)
I'm very happy to see that Arosa get's some attention in this forum. As the only narrow gauge route, and the route with the highest evelation, it sure has a special place in the DLC lineup of TSW, and it would be a shame to not come back to it eventually. Everything RhB is incredibly scenic and could really shine in the new TOD4 and overall increased attention of detail in recent releases. And speaking of Arosa and it's scenery .. (Still very WIP, at least another week away from release. Fixes left are diffusing the hard edged treelines for example, better rock formations at the tunnel entrances, removing grass where it doesn't belong, making grass cast shadows, etc etc etc)
Kangaroo Conductor You are doing an overhaul mod? OMG! Your screenshots look like I would finally enjoy the route after I was very much disappointed about the scenerery in the original release.
WoW !!! Superb, it changes everything, it's so much more beautiful now. I'm shocked ! If you release this mod then this route will become a must again for sure. Thank you very much for your work .
Wow, that's amazing! I was quietly hoping some of you talented modders would take a look at Arosa scenery some day and now I'm very happy! Thank you for your effort.
Gutted that I’m on console and can’t download it. I would be happy to pay a few pounds if an official scenery upgrade was released.
Definitely! Would be awesome if you could get in touch with Rivet and talk to them if you could bring this to the consoles! It’s up to you but I think a ton of people would be pleased by that; including me
It’s a shame the sounds of the rolling stock is still poor and the locomotive has the horrible acceleration from a standstill. If they fixed that and spent a little more time on some of the scenery it would be a very solid route.
No, but it's well below the amount of polygons/assets used in the routes below. And there are options/settings to use in Unreal Engine to scale down about everything. If there is nothing, you can't scale up. Which is what Rivet did, so higher spec systems are stuck with a very empty route. -Linke Rheinstrecke: Mainz - Koblenz -Niddertalbahn - Schnellfahrstrecke Kassel - Würzburg
Thank you all for the compliments ! It's still far from finished, and there are some obstacles left to overcome by the nature of the mod.
