Midland Mainline - Leicester To Derby & Nottingham

On the NYT route most had said that sunny side yard was a must, it was included but didn’t realize 1/3 of all time table routes would had been yard moves. So sometimes it works against you…….

 

Guessing it includes Chaddesden curve then!

 

I have to say this route is lining up to be a real gooden and has gone from a skeptical possible buy to a must buy for me.

I would have thought/hoped so as you have got a couple of relatively big clubs (Derby and Leicester) and then the mighty Forest in Nottingham so this route is used by a lot of fans on matchdays.

 

How similar are the 150/2 and 158s?

If the performance is similar, could they copy and paste over the performance and give us a decent 150/2?!

 

The 158 is used for long distance express work...well it was, these days it can appear on any service. It has a top speed of 90mph compared to 75mph for the 150

 

They aren’t similar as they have different performance and braking characteristics, as well as different top end speeds.

Ideally everything under the hood of the Class 150 needs to be ripped apart and made from scratch again for it to be accurate.

 

Great to hear londonmidland is supporting the development of the route! Very excited now.

 

The way my week is going so far I personally feel that I need a few surprises!!

 

Seen in another thread on the MML, that the GSM-R is 323 level of interactive, the destinations are automatic and the Level Crossings are animated.

hype level increased

 

The two are nothing alike in terms of performance and sounds. The only thing they really share is the "Sprinter" name.

If it were a 156, that would be a different matter.

 

Possibly a 166 could have similarities with a 158 but I'm not sure on the exact profiles between the 2..

 

Any idea if the comments both on here and on numerous Facebook posts regarding the windows have been taken onboard? In reality the 158 has dark tinted windows and door windows making it hard to see inside the unit but all the images so far show totally clear windows with everything inside visible.

 

My home town of Plymouth was badly bombed as well and the whole of the city centre had to be rebuilt after the war. They did a good job of it, building it on a grid system which contrasts with the more traditional part near the waterfront. However, they built a horrendous Civic Centre building in the 1960s in the then current “brutalist style”. In recent years it has stood empty due to concrete cancer or some such and really needs demolishing. However, a group of “do gooders” have seen fit to get it listed which means that it remains a useless eyesore which no-one can do anything about.

 

Will there be working toilets on Leicester station only I’m desperate for a Richard the Third

 

Yes, this feedback has been seen regarding the 158 windows

 

Uhhh, not to be that guy, but ‘seen’?

 

I believe a recent fix has been made for this, but whether it makes it to release day or whether it’ll be a post release patch I do not know.

Thanks.

 

How on earth has the listing system become so corrupted that it can be used to protect urban tumours? That building shouldn't just be razed, but all photographic evidence that it ever existed should be purged. (Save, perhaps, to serve as a dire reminder that there was a time when British architects committed crimes against humanity).

 

got a train from Nottingham to Skegness once, that would work

 

Looking forward to this!

While the sounds from AP will be awesome, no doubt - I’m not sure how well it will be represented in-game. The likes of the other diesel hydraulic trains, 166, German DMUs seem to sound rather “pitchy”. We will see I guess. Hopefully it’s not going to be too loud from the cab either, really hoping for a well balanced mix.

No doubt the release push back is sound related, it’s always the last minute thing.

Best of luck to the developers anyway!

 

Seriously why not wait until the product is released.

 

Yeah, cos waiting until release really solves issues. If nothing is said, then it gets released broken and we are back to the old DTG. So let's just wait and at least have a preview stream ahead of release.

 

Indeed as I said elsewhere, just look at Clinchfield, SoS plus many others now languishing with outstanding bugs and fixes required more than likely to never appear as DTG move forward to the next big fanfare release.

 

To my ears, the 158 sounds really good. Gotta love a bit of Cummins thrash

 

Have they been implemented to AP standards like the class 465?

The whole point of the experiment of DTG allowing you to post teasers in the forum's is to build/hype the release..

I await your response.

 

I mean, it's a good experiment, if it is one.

 

I’d say so, yes. However, my ears and opinions are obviously different to everyone else. Though I think it sounds good, regardless.

All I can say is wait and see, so you can see how it sounds and what you think of it.

 

Found a cabride video on YouTube and took this screenshot from roughly where the 158 is and this is how Leicester should look. While I don't expect an absolutely spot on accurate recreation it would be nice to see something that resembles Leicester lol

 

I think the cl.158 is missing in the real pic .

 

To be fair I think the 158 is blocking the buildings, which are definitely the most distinguishing features. The photos are also definitely taken from different angles.

And besides, I don't get up in arms over scenery in TSW. As long as what's directly in front of the cab looks right I don't mind. No excuse obviously but I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

 

Looks good to me, but not local to the area so of course those that are will be critical... fair enough.

However, I've just noticed we are still using those old speed signs which don't look right to me. Please can we have a new set which is more realistic for UK routes - the German routes have great representations for realistic signage (font), the UK routes are lacking in that respect.

 

They look the same in both the screenshot and the.... screenshot!
I don't see how they're old? unless you just mean texturing?

 

Yes, it's just a bugbear of mine,the font/typeface has not been correct for UK routes. That is apart from the signs used on the Bakerloo line, they are excellent. A small detail, but it irritates me somewhat!

 

Aah okay, makes sense!

 

Thank you, this is what i was getting at. When TS Classic has this for an old outdated graphics / memory engine. Where UE5 can give us 1:1 scale of Berlin with TML and forthcoming SimRail. TSW is aimed at console players who sell their games or exchange them after a few months

 

Yes, that’s my point, you could do the whole ECML as far as Dundee and drive the whole WCML , but in TSW we only have a route longer than 60 miles which was KWG and only has like 1 station to stop at inbetween. TSW needs to balance out long routes and short routes, i don’t mind routes being 30-40 miles but also add 100 mile routes for people that enjoy long train journeys/ have the time to play TSW

 

I mean, bear in mind simply just how large the TSW route files are. If an average 80km route is around 10gb, a dlc of the ECML is going to be hideously large. I have most of the UK routes installed currently, and the game is around 85gb.

You'd be quickly getting towards needing an external drive just to run a route of that length.

I also don't know who, without functional save mechanics could sit and play for 4hrs 22mins in a kings cross to Edinburgh run?. Or even just how much proccessing power and memory a route of that length would take.
I'd certainly lose interest around the hour mark.

 

I don’t think we need anything like London - Scotland, at least not in one go (even in TSC this isn’t a thing).

What we do need is meaningful journeys, and not oddities such as HRR & GWE.

Also for me it would depend heavily on the quality of the train & route. I could quite happily drive the DB 101 for a couple of hours, or the 465 on longer runs. But routes like WCL & trains such as the dostos would bore me to death.

 

I don't think many would necessarily expect Kings Cross to Edinburgh, I don't think even in real life drivers would do that run in one sitting.

I don't think the likes of Kings Cross to York or York to Edinburgh, St. Pancras to Sheffield, Euston to Wolverhampton, Paddington to Bristol, Waterloo to Exeter or Poole. Or maybe Preston to Glasgow, Bristol to Swansea, Bristol to Paignton, Nottingham to Cardiff, Shrewsbury to Swansea, Bristol to Derby etc should be beyond the realms of possibility.

Many of these are available in TSC where many do probably drive them in one sitting. Of course TSC has a generlaly reliable functioning save facility, which actually works for each scenario which means if you only have the time or the desire to drive an hour in one sitting you can and go back to it. TSW as you point out doesn't work reliably, it is totally broken for me and has only one save slot.

Many TSW routes have unsatisfactory end points, well to me anyway. Riesa and Chemitz for example. The new MML route for me doesn't work in that regard either and the new steam route, well it is incomprehenisble to me as to why Ambergate Junction is a starting/end point, it totally destroys immersion in my mind.

 

Oh nooo, i’m not suggesting a full ECML at all, i’m just giving an example. London to Edinburgh is definitely way too long, but london to like leeds/york or lincoln is a lot more plausible which are at most a 1hr30-2hr drive, i know driving to edinburgh is extremely long, but i get your point, i have a lot of the uk routes installed and it takes up about 85 too, but i have a lot more space to spare because i have a 1TB storage space, but just something a bit longer. A 2hr drive is perfect for me, and every now and then i might do a bit longer, but usually the longest you’d spend on TSW is an hour and there’s not much to it apart from driving about 45 miles which is unsatisfactory, and yes i do agree TSW need to have a good save feature so in the instance people don’t have enough time to drive it, they can be able to save it. But i believe it gets to a point where routes can be very long, so at the most we should be getting 100-150 mile routes, which are about an hour-two hour drives.

 

i agree with that London - Scotland is too long, but london - yorkshire and the midlands isn’t, that’s an extremely good journey as you can drive the much faster intercity services, the local services and the commuters

 

yep, this is basically the point i’m trying to convey, why add a MML from leicester to derby, when it’s possible to do it to sheffield on TSC, bearing in mind we are only getting two trains for this route, Leicester to Sheffield is about 60 miles, and is an hour and a half on the stoppers and less than a hour on the fasts

 

https://skyhookgames.com/introducing-midland-main-line-leicester-derby-nottingham/

Hentis

 

That argument of tsc vs tsw is not valid. They are 2 completely different games.

 

There's just something a little... off about the Class 158 model, to me, visually. I can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe the grooves in the cab, and around the driver's window, look a little too deep or prominent? Maybe the rubber gasket seals should be a little greyer/more weathered? Maybe the texturing lacks depth and doesn't look like it's been weathered enough? I'm not sure, but there's just something that doesn't quite look right.

 

For me it’s very clean, and that makes the already stand out livery even brighter.

Also the inside of the train is very bright, combined with the lack of window tinting on the windows.

The above combined is making the train ‘pop’ quite a lot.

 

it is valid because it’s the same route but in two different games

 

by TWO different 3rd party studios , its not a valid argument!

Hentis

 

It is valid.