New Dtg Route On The Roadmap

Whilst looking on the roadmap I came across this

Now decoding this means
G= Great Britan
B=AC
B=AC

R=Route
7= 2011+

Now taking in mind the leak of Preston to Blackpool it could potentially be this

 

Preston to Blackpool would be very short for a DTG, I think the community would accept it from a new 3rd party as their first route (I certainly would) but I think for an established developer in TSW in would be considered a bit of a money grab.

 

I feel like that is JT's route. But until it's confirmed, we don't know anything.

 

This route is listed under the DTG heading not the second party one, so it is a DTG route.

 

Im going to take a punt at MLL London to Bedford or London towards Cambridge, that way the 700/0 gets to layer in. In much the same fashion that the Acela was released for Boston Sprinter but also layered in on the new route Trenton to New York.

The southern MML makes more sense as then the SHG MML 125 can layer in as well.

 

It's probably Preston to Blackpool. That is a rather short route frankly.

 

With the Class 700 coming this Summer I have a feeling that this or the big UK Summer route will feature the Class 700 too. I don’t know much about the Class 700 but with Leicester to Derby & Nottingham coming soon, a southern MML route into St Pancras would be perfect for layering in the Class 43 and the upcoming Class 700.

 

Big UK summer route ??? Never heard about that one ?.

 

I agree. This would make the most sense. Maybe it would include the 700/1

 

Agree

 

Probably just my wording but the Summer update where we get a new UK, US and DE route.

 

If the US does get a route I have my money on a freight route with 150 services

 

It appears the DTG and JT are working on UK routes in parallel, rather like DTG and TSG were working on German routes in parallel. It turned out, on the latter, there was a certain layering synergy, and the same may prove to be true with the forthcoming British routes.

 

well JTs route is set in era 5 and DTGs route is set in era 7. Also, for all saying about a MML south, i doubt this is even possibly considering the mml used meridians and hsts if set in era 7, of which are both diesels therefore aren’t possible with the AC only code. I’m really thinking an ecml south is possible on the other hand as we now have the 387 and 700, with the only train needing built from scratch being the 80x and the 717 would be a heavily tweaked model of the 700, and it’s also very fitting with their LAMP technique they spoke about on the roadmap.

 

As much as I'd love an ECML South, I'd prefer it to be with a 700/1 too rather than just with a /0 on its own. Without the /1 there'd be no TL services that serve the entire route towards Peterborough, which would be disappointing for a new route other than SEHS with the 700. Plus, apart from some potentially limited Great Northern services, stations between Arlesey and Huntington would be mostly unserved without TL.

 

i think with an ecml south they’d bring in a /1 as a part of the add on but i don’t know, /0s do go to peterborough but around 95% of the time it is /1s

 

I think they would want to showcase the 700/1 , 700/0, HST, what route would do this , MML south, Bedford to St Pancras.
Services would included luton to rainham 2 trains per hour,Bedford to three bridges 2 trains per hour, Bedford to Brighton 2 trains per hour, St Albans city to Sutton trains every 15 minutes,some peak services than run some services during rush hour Bedford to East Grinstead 4 total. Luton to Orpington 4 total services. Might had miss some others. All of these services would terminate at St Pancras.

 

Possibly Fen Line Hitchin to King's Lynn with 387 745 Flirt
Another choices are GEML with Harwich Branch and West Anglia Main Line with Stansted Airport Branch.

 

how can it be mml south when the code is AC only and it runs diesel trains?

 

The route is AC. Just like BCC. BCC did get diesel layers.

 

The traction code only applies to the trains included in the route, if a HST from MML Derby layered into southern MML which only came with Electric trains the code would still be AC AFIAK

 

would it not sort of need a meridian? i just don’t think it’s possible to include one of the biggest parts of a route as a layer

 

To be fair, these silly codes have been very wrong in the past & not representative of what we ended up with.

 

What about the Class 360 and the T/L Class 700’s.
These are both AC.
Mike.

 

Yeah, the only other option would be to set the route in 2024 and give us the first Hitachi AT300 for TSW in the 810 Aurora's.

 

If we follow the latest trend from DTG on the NEC Trenton, even if the timetable is horrendous, they will likely reuse assets from recent DLC. This is why I suspect the 700/0 and HST will layer in the the next UK route and the 700/1 will be the loco that would be included on the route and that will layer in the BML. Again all speculation. I had similar speculation for the NEC Trenton route which turnout to be correct, except I was completely off on the timetable services.is also would be the cheapest and easiest to make, 50 miles or route, reused trains even counting the train for the route the 700/1 just adding 4 more cars and some minor changes. From a financial stand point it makes the most sense. Cost and time.

 

yes but one of the key parts of this route is meridians and was HSTs

 

DTG JD DTG Alex can you confirm that the ‘BB’ of the code means the trains involved or if it’s just what power the route is? i’ve seen people in here speculating a route which runs with overhead wires but uses diesel trains, would that still come under the ‘BB’ code?

 

Dresden-Chemnitz, which is 100% electrified and comes with a Diesel and an Electric train has this code:
2.DBG-R7 02

 

yes that code includes G which is diesel hydraulic, which makes sense. The uk route has just ‘BB’ which is AC electric only, yet people are speculating diesel trains which doesn’t make any sense

 

So here was the roadmap for BCC back in October, GBB-R7 02 UK route. We ended with a couple diesel layers correct?
So the route launch with the 323 but we got layers from the class 66 for RHTT, class 66 for freight services ,class 43 and MK3 coaches, class 47, and class 37.

 

What diesel layers? I've run BCC many times and never seen an AI diesel anywhere.

 

The code refers to the included locos/MUs (but NOT layers*). So for example both Dresden routes are tagged DBG: Germany, OHLE + diesel (in DRA's case, the diesel is the 363 shunter).

*E.g. London-Brighton, which is GCC notwithstanding the diesel GWE trains layering in

 

diesel-electric

 

The route codes only tell us what motive power is included in the routes, it doesn't include anything which layers in. This is why BCC was BB because the only train included in the route was the 323 which is electric.

 

exactly, so a mml literally can not be an option as it uses meridians/hsts which can’t really layer as they’re a key part of the route so wouldn’t make sense

 

Unless the route is set in the near future when Meridans are replaced with the Aurora's

 

Correct that was the point I was making. The only part I’m not sure if a train can be used for both AC and DC like the 387 or 700 but it comes with an AC route would the code still be BB?

 

That is my understanding yes. For example BML Im certain was CC even though the 387 has pants

 

How about bristol cardiff with 231 and 197?

 

Agree. So this UK route can be the MML south, GEML, ECML….. but what would make sense to take advantage of the current and already of the roadmap assets……

 

ECML feels possible up to Peterbrough

Azuma's on Expresses both 800 & 801's
387 on Great Northern commuter services between London and Hitchin
700's layered in on London Peterborough and London - Hitchin for Thames Link

 

I don’t think they designed a new HST and are finally releasing the HST livery editor for a reasonably short route like MML where the HST is the 2nd attraction. I would guess that it’s going to play a part in future routes.

 

My main speculation/prediction is for an ECML south with the 700,800,387 and 717. The 700 we now already know is coming, and like the nyt route the acela and that route were announced together. The 717 has pretty much an identical shell to the 700 with a few minor changes and the big change being the cab/front of the train. The 387 would simply need a redone interior which we know is possible and seems fairly easy from the white 375 in the LAB2. The 800 would be the only new train to create from scratch and thus would make it not too difficult of a project. Aswell as this, germany and usa have had very popular/well known routes and trains added and the ecml is one of the most well known railways along with the wcml in the uk. For those saying MML south i feel this just isn’t possible as a) we’re about to get a part of the mml very soon and it’s not being named as ‘mml north’ or something like that, so differentiating the 2 would be weird, and b) the code states only AC electric. Layering in something like tha HST does not make sense as it would be one of the key parts of the route, same with if it was a meridian.

 

or we could get a part of the wcml

 

that would take 3 new trains from scratch to make. at most the ecml south would take 2, 1 being a somewhat rebuild. as with the 700 being announced it makes sense to use a new train on a new route so it sells better like the acela with ny-trenton

 

good point, i really hope we get the azuma as that’s one of my favourite trains. Any ECML is good enough for me

 

When it comes ECML I think I prefer more of the Northern Sections and the Class 91, but I certainly wouldn’t complain at the Southern Sections and a 800 series.

 

if u look at the last few post and the photo from the roadmap saying the east midland trains are going into st pats station its clear we getting the just over 80km MML London to Bedford

 

Im sure the trains in St Pancras are just from a portal, portals that are generally put in on all tracks that lead off world, I believe it was Joe the Fish who applied the layer to SEHS, and as routes don’t connect or mostly build of each other it has no impact on what the next route will be.

the same way once we finish services on London to Reading the trains continue on towards wales, that doesn’t and didn’t mean the next route is Reading to Bristol