On such a minor thing like image encoding, where there were no problems previously, I don't think third party developers can be blamed for doing something that worked perfectly at the time.
Out of 8 roads that plant at my house 2 are from DTG... Same for trains... Obviously you have not tested everything at home! I have over 400gb of dlc so yes, when we sell a few things we assume. And I'm not even talking about the free routes that I haven't reinstalled yet. It's midnight, tomorrow we will see the staggering number of people who will come to complain here, on steam, or the other forums... Good night my Dear.
I quite agree with you. I am aware that DTG can not solve everything at once but a beta would have been more judicious before taking the plunge. Yes it's easy to do it ourselves, but there's no way I'm fixing a problem that I didn't create!
It’s healthy to take a walk in the woods. Do that. I have to play a gig tomorrow, so when i get home the problem might be fixed, or the day after that. But a bug in a game is certainly not going to ruin my day. Don’t let it ruin yours either.
I've experienced the menu hangs which I've tracked down to image files as was mentioned some posts ago. I'm not exactly sure what is causing the problem as the actual size of the image does not seem to be an issue, I made an image for a freeware route which is 2MB and it loads the image fine but the image which was causing the issue is only 76KB. I tried opening the image in GIMP and re exporting it and this seems to have solved the issue for me as well. All the DTG/Steam routes loaded in the Drive menu it is only 3rd party payware/freeware which is causing the hangs on my system.
I've been giving the same advice to my fellow Arsenal supporters today. We didn't have a bug in a game though, the others found a cheat code.
so i think they updated the sliver lining skybox. i did some night time views in custom made route and the moon show right side white and not the left side.
And where did oyu get that 95 percent of people who cant use it from ?????? most users here are reporting it is fine with a few hangs dues to image issues which i imagine will be fixed rather quickly.
How would I go about backing my game up in case something breaks? Is it as simple as just copy and pasting my Railworks folder to a different one? Thanks in advance. My thoughts on this is that maybe the update should’ve been open as a public beta test at first, would’ve been a better idea and these issues would have been reported and fixed. But I don’t blame Dovetail Games. They have been doing a good job and trying hard to really improve this game, yes the bugs for this update are bad but it’s not like they’re just going to ignore it and move on. They are listening to our complaints and are probably working on fixes as we speak. Instead of instantly just bashing the Dovetail Games team, how about we offer some constructive criticism without being rude or nasty about it? They’re working hard after all!
Wokism is your motto? I'm sorry for all the fanboys but I no longer quote DTG errors. I'm still not going to fix myself a problem that DTG has created. I keep saying that it would have been better to make a beta and leave the game as it is until everything is in order. And please leave your filthy comments at home. Calling me karen is probably not very constructive either. What is this way of treating people who just want their product to work at least as well as it did before the mid-update? Who are you to insult me? DTG please clean up with your fanboys please. It seems to me that I have the right to express myself here too. I remind you that the game works very well before the update and those on all free or paid assets
I see that people are saying images are the issue and somehow they magically know which ones and can fix it? Other than that my game just hangs on initial loading when trying to synch non existent workshop items. Guess I will sit tight and see if they can fix. Otherwise will have to find a backup and play old version offline.
I tested this morning something else QD. I have a personal route that works very well without any trains (removal of all trains in QD) If I leave a train free for the occasion the game crashes. This train is not available in QD so no image that could crash. I think something else is crashing the game and not just the preload images. here is the page that makes me crash.
Yes. Just make a copy of Railworks on another drive, then if you want to restore, just copy it back, overwriting when prompted. Make super sure everything works before creating the back up though.
I certainly agree that the update should’ve been a public beta first. Would’ve been much better due to the large amount of stuff people have made or own and the variety of peoples computer systems. These bugs are certainly unfortunate, let’s hope they get fixed soon!
Alright, thank you very much for the help. How would I go about making sure everything works? Since it’s a copy I just assume the game would open like normal? I don’t really know how Steam games work with stuff like that so I’m not sure.
No, I mean make sure the sim works before you back it up, not that the back up works. The back up will always work, as you are just making a copy of the Railworks folder, but if you make a back up of an install that has problems, you will just restore those problems. So make sure the game is working to your satisfaction before creating the back up.
I have a personal route that works very well without any trains (removal of all trains in QD) If I leave a train free for the occasion the game crashes. This train is not available in QD so no image that could crash. I think something else is crashing the game and not just the preload images. here is the page that makes me crash. View attachment 116406 [/QUOTE] I specify that after having deleted all of my assets and free route (I have a clean installation this morning only the dlc steam nothing else!!) So all installed game content is 100% steam. This is the only page that crashes my game, if I do a search through the last page there are no problems until this 3rd page! As for the free routes, there are several that no longer work and the same goes for the trains. For tier editors most of the Japanese routes of union workshop crashes the PC and it is a direct return to the desktop without any message I still suspect a problem other than the simple preload image Could a memory problem be the cause?
It's not the images of the trains that is causing the crash, but the compression of the .png thumbnails in the routes folders... it's the route images, not the trains. A fresh install will cure nothing, as the thumbnail images causing the issue will still be there.
But then how do you explain that the route union workshop only launches and crashes the pc when loading and not before? If it was an image problem only, the game would crash when selecting the road or the train? In this case it only crashes when loading the route at about 10 seconds! I keep thinking that something else is crashing the game
Probably a seperate issue. If you read the thread carefully, you will see the issue has been identified as the compression routines for the route thumbnails is causing the issue, and resaving them usually cures the issue with the menu freezing. The problem you are having with that one single route would appear to be another issue. Have you raised the issue in the technical reports thread?
SO . I deleted all the union workshop and smokebox dlcs and the game no longer crashes at all. I can finally take any road and train and nothing crashes. As for free assets it will be a disaster in my opinion...
I just have some more thoughts to add. Admittedly I am disappointed to see that the new update has lots of bugs. But I’m worried with what this means for older DLC. Multiple developers are taking notice of bugs happening to their DLC, one of these being NZTS Workshops and their Ja and Kb Loco DLCs on the Steam Store aren’t working properly, they have put out fixes but what will happen to older DLC whose developers may not be around to fix these bugs anymore? It’s worrying me a bit!
I've not encountered an issue with any of the third party content yet. You have to remember, these updates are to bring an old DX9 game up to date, and this is just the first stage in what will be many updates. DTG have said that there may be issues, especially with third party content. It will be the responsibility of the third party content authors to ensure that their stuff is compatible. You can't expect DTG to take the thousands of freeware addons when updating their own game into account. I would just relax, and let them sort it out. In future (once this is all fixed) I would recommend having a back up of your Railworks folder, so you can quickly, and easily fall back to a previous version in the meantime. There's a DX12 update coming today apparently (or rather there was supposed to be, but looks like they may have bigger fish to fry right now), so expect more weirdness. If it brings TSC up to date, I don't mind. It's a pain in the backside, sure, but ultimately, we should have a much better game as a result. Running any computer without back up is just a bad idea. You will always regret it, so while you probably want to shout at me right now for saying something that doesn't help you now... you may well thank me in the future, if you follow my advice. Not being smug... genuinely trying to help you in the future.
Who did you have in mind? As a general point, if you're using unsupported software of any type then sooner or later it's going to stop working. I'd rather have a few DLC fail now than the entire TSC universe in a few years time.
Very true and fair points from both of you, when I think about it then yes having a few DLC fail but with the benefit of having a much better and stable game is worth it. I don’t really have any developer in mind, but it would be unfortunate if you bought an old DLC on the Steam Store and it just doesn’t work anymore.
With regards the update, I've noticed the following benefits: Better frame rates, maybe 5-10% better. Less stuttering on scenery tile loading. It might be my imagination, but sounds seem richer. I'm very pleased with this. No downsides for me yet.
I have a copy of all my free and paid tier dlc don't worry about cala. I'm not more angry than this lifetime of DTG, I'm fully aware that problems will appear after an update, the game is old and there are a lot of assets! For free content it's not a problem, we didn't pay and DTG is not responsible for that either, it's up to us to find the solution. But as far as what we paid, I want to see it work. If I have to do without all my paid dlc because it no longer works then a refund will have to be made. imagined that all my paid dlc of smokebox and union workshop no longer work at all! I think I have the right to expect it to work, especially since these dlcs are sold on steam!
So its ok for YOU to call people fanboys for having a different opinion over you yet when people call you "karen" thats an insult. Here is an idea dont throw insults at others they wont insult you then will they. You had the option to turn automatic updtes off on ANY game in steam which is what you should have done it you didnt want it to update. you also are not liable to a refund on digital content Steam will refund you if you have less tha n2 hours of gameplay time which i imagine you have gone over so you wont stand any grounds with a refund. Your making it sound like ALL your dlc dont work your the only person with this problem. I have ran a few scenarios since update with payware content and have 0 issues. The exact same as others your just finding a small issue and turning it into something it is not claiming ALL payware dont work when it clearly does.
It’s true. It’s going to likely consign some older content to the Railworks folder in the sky, but I honestly think that this game can go on for many years to come. To do so it needs updating, I’m happy with it at the moment but the amount of horse power I’m having to chuck at it to get a decent experience makes MSFS blush. Get a working install, back it up, then await the fun and games!
That's not the same as a copy of a working Railworks folder, but at least you can manually install everything again, but a copy of the railworks folder is a one click (well... right drag and then one click), set and forget way of rolling back to a previous working version.
Works very well for me. FpS doubled. Managed to Run Trent Valley in 4k with settings maxed and re2 maxed getting around 60-70fps in a storm. Would have been impossible previously. Machine is Ryzen 5800x 32GB RAM RTX 3080 M2 SSD LG OLED TV
It's funny how you lie. Do you read what is written or not? can't you see that the majority of people have similar problems with this update? In short, spend your nerves on someone else.
It is impossible to have such a copy! I have over 600gb of dlc and free stuff! you imagined, I would need a 1 tb ssd only for a save. that's why I only keep some free dlc and not the whole game. I have fiber and reinstalling the original game with all the paid dlc only took me 50 minutes so no need to save the paid content for me.
Hi, Not one for Pookeyhead specifically ... I've tried resaving the image.png with routes on pages that are freezing but I'm still having problems."South London Network" now fine but I'm having problems with "South Wales Main Line" (00000068-a000-0000-0000-000000002016). I'm opening in GIMP, deleting the original, "export as" and export to Image.png, leaving the options as default. Are there exact steps that I can follow? G
As the smokebox developer seems quite good at patching his content, so hopefully whatever the issue is will get sorted soon
Stating facts is not a lie. Cant you see the comments people claiming to have no problems myself included. look here: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/huge-tsc-update-due-27-4-23.69292/page-5#post-645679 https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/huge-tsc-update-due-27-4-23.69292/page-5#post-645671 but yeah i am posting a lie acording to you lol I love how you missed the part in your reply out about you complaining about being called a karen after YOU called everyone fanboys. Funny you leave that part out. Would love to sit and talk sadly i am enjoying the update so much i am off to drive another payware scenario BYE
Did a lovely Quick Drive Over Shap last night in the AP class 87 - i'm still in offline mode in Steam with updates in TSC switched to off! (running version 72.3b which I think is the version before the update!) Was surprised though, even with all updates switched to off since the weekend, I got the new TSC graphics with the class 47 on the in loading screen. Just shows that TSC is connecting somehow online even when settings are set to off?
You know, TSC is a complex software product, offering great flexibility for users/thirdparties to alter all kind of features within the game. This makes TSC a great game! But that makes it a hard for the developer to forsee every possible bug. This might be an obvious bug for us to notice, but it could be, an it probably is, something that is not in sight of the developers testing. Beta testing could probably prevent this kind of bugs. But since DTG is dedicated to bring TSC to the future, I am sure they will fix this asap! Btw filtering the routes works perfectly for me.
Unless I’m missing something, there is literally no way this update can have any effect on performance. They’ve repeatedly said it’s stability only. The experimental DX12 update may well change that but if people are struggling with yesterdays update then don’t opt in to DX12, for your own sake! Barring Steam’s best efforts to screw me over, everything else seems to be ok for me.
