For anybody out there who owns TSW 3 on PS5 and if possible anyone who has owned the game previously on PS4 (not essential) Is it worth buying a PS5 to play the game to its full potential?? As I am seeing mixed response on forums as to the quality improved and am considering whether it's worth the jump...
Hey, it's me again, but the topic fits quite well, since I myself only switched to PS5 at the end of February. I've only ever played TSW3 on PS4 Pro since it was released and was absolutely thrilled with the switch to the next generation. The PS5 also stutters slightly on some routes, but it should also happen on the Xbox X series and PC, when there is a lot of traffic and a lot of scenery involved. Otherwise it's buttery smooth gaming fun with sharp textures, greater drawing distance and, of course, longer and more trains. Almost forgot: the loading times are very fast thanks to the SSD and you can no longer hear any annoying fan noise. Not to forget the 64GB limit was cleared out of the way thanks to tough testing by DTG. Since the PS5 is now available almost everywhere again, in my opinion it is definitely worth making the switch. ...made a few comparative screenshots some time ago (Pipe should know them too), a good time to dig up them again!
As the screenshots by Sparmi show, the difference in quality is immense. I switched from the base, vanilla PS4 to PS5 and my jaw dropped when I played TSW2 (back then) for the first time in 4k, 60fps. A point of consideration to my mind is whether you want to upgrade solely for TSW. If TSW is all your playing and nothing else, then the PS5 is quite a steep investment. You have to decide for yourself then if it’s within your budget. If you play (even just some) other games as well though, I’d definitely recommend upgrading. Also, keep in mind that sooner or later, you will probably be forced to upgrade. Last gen won’t be supported forever.
Hello again! Thanks for the response. I can see differences especially in the tree detail...I think it does sound like the experience will be better for sure but as I'm also not in possession of a 4d T.V.. I'm not sure how much and whether it's worth the trade of. I'll give it some thought though thanks. It does kind of strike me that the law of diminishing returns plays a part in the trade of in this situation. It is still a really good game on Ps4
This is a very good point also. I mainly play Train Sim World yes the other games are city skylines and the likes which run pretty perfectly on Ps4.
The point about support is a good one and I guess it will be a case at some point that the older console won't be supported. I'm thinking of waiting a bit maybe 12 months the Ps5 will come down in price a fair bit.
Like I already wrote in the other thread: Migration from PS4 to PS5 is nothing short of a quantum leap. You´ll notice already substantial graphic improvements at 1080p. Now, when you jump to 4k/60Hz it makes your jaw drop - to speak with Lamplight. Plus considering all the other benefits - longer train consists (which bring to american freight routes a certain sense finally), extensive layering, longer drawing and shadowing distances, more visible assets, foliage etc. It is definitly worth the jump. PS5 prices already dropped significantly at the end of the pandemic. It almost levels with XBoxX which delivers similar performance. Being Micro$oft and $ony the only giant competitors on the game console market, I doubt that you´ll see notable price discounts in the next months. Unless Sony comes up with a PS6 and MS with whatever successor the XboxX might be named. Now the question if the jump from TSW2 to 3 is justified ...... well, its another topic. And why DTG won´t tell you about the performance issues on PS4, I can only guess. There used to be morals in this business, but not anymore.
I just got my PS5 and I'm back in love with the game again. The improved graphics, increased content and vastly improved performance and loading times makes such a difference. I didn't realise how hard my poor old PS4 had to work. Regards, Peter
My 2 cents: for me personally (!), it was worth it. Just a little caveat: I get MOST enjoyment out of playing a TSW route from having the impression that the route actually is "alive". Thus, the number and variety of services (layers) is of great importance for me. Having said that, the limitations of Gen8 meant that some routes were rather sparsely populated and also only populated with one or two types of trains. For me, the best example is HMA. In its Gen8 version, there are only ICE and S-Bahn. I liked the theme of the route but it always felt quite empty and, sorry, a little boring. Since switching to PS5, it has become my favourite route. The options have multiplied with freight and regional expresses, each with a variety of locos. Also, the sheer number of other trains you encounter en-route has multiplied. So, if you are like me and find those aspects also important, it may make sense. Of course, the graphics quality is also better on PS5 but for that alone I would not have made the change. Hope that helps.
In respect of the options multiplying are there actually more services? or do you mean in respect of how much better the route feels and by extension the game feels more open and playable because it runs much better?
Also, In my humble opinion, TSW is made for the big screen and a controller. I have it on PS5 and PC. I spend enough time at a desk, so relaxing on the sofa playing on the TV is a better experience for me than PC
I have recently switched from regular PS4 to PS5, similarly as you I also don't own 4K TV. But even on FullHD TV you will still notice quite significant difference in graphic quality. To picture that, I can tell you that after running TSW3 for about a month in 4K resolution, I have switched in TSW settings the graphic quality from 4K to HD and I could not believed I was playing this game on such 'low quality' graphic before The major issue I have with TSW on PS5 is: it stutters. It is not even close to as it does on PS4 - there it was hard for me to enjoy the ride especially in 395 on London St Parncas - Ashford Intl. part of route - but still it does. And it is not only some micro stutters, I would not mention it if it would be only those. In few cases I even had the 'blurred train effect' (I think it is the issue with LOD, where the distant train is blurred and it appers properly when you get close to is or after some time), something I would not expect to experience on Gen9 console. Stutter is impacting all the platforms, but reading feedback coming from XBox X and PC users I have an impression that the latters are less impacted with it. It looks like an optimization issue and for PS5 TSW might be less optimised than on other platforms. There are also frame rate drops, in the same areas as on PS4 - again, not as drastic as on PS4, where in example while approaching Hoo Junction every time I had frame rate dropped to 12FPS on PS4. On PS5 it drops in the same place, but to 25-30FPS - so not a drama, but you will definitely notice it when 60FPS goes down to 25-30 for few seconds. Above info about stutters and frame rate drops is my experience on SEHS Extended route in TSW3, as I haven't run any other route yet on PS5. Route is great and I'm enjoying it vastly now, which was difficult on PS4 due to the performence issues. So, to conclude: if you are playing TSW a lot and planning to continue this in the future; and the price to pay for PS5 will not hit your wallet too hard; and these optimization issues, while not serious, will not be annoying you; I can recommend switching to PS5. Even if you do not play much of the other games on PS4 you can still continue playing them on PS5 thanks to backward compatibility (and playing PS4 version on PS5 effects in the same power consumption, if that matters to you), while you will enjoy your train hobby in much better quality taking advantage of all Gen9 benefits already mentioned by other users in this thread: proper consist lenght on US routes, full timetables (both AI and drivable) and layers on others, passengers numbers doubled (which is also quite noticable when after switching from PS4), and overall much more smooth experience in much better graphic quality.
Hi all I'm new here and I have already a question and that is I'm starting to play TSW3 but before I start I wanna know I do know you can transfer data to TSW3 but what is with trophies you earned will they be transferred or not? I just wanna know because it doesn't make sense to transfer data but not trophies you earned and you did it for nothing. Please let me know
If you are on PS4 you can transfer your data across, but on PS5 you start all over again as you can not import your PS4 data, except for your Mastery Awards. However, they need to be enabled to see them. Hope that helps. If I'm wrong, my apologies.
For me, it is basically about the additional layers and more rolling stock in yards. They make routes more lively and more realistic.
Thanks very insightful. I appreciate the full disclosure of your experience. It really helps me weigh up my options. The other slight thing effecting my decision. Is the cost increase in electricity. Has this factor made any influence on anybody going over to PS5? I believe it's nearly twice as hungry on wattage playing heavy duty games such as this to run,
You referred to playing PS4 games on PS5 in same power consumption. Is that in reference to electrical consumption?
I don´t think that´s an easy answer. It much depends on the efforts the console has to draw to handle a certain game. My PS4 Slim sounds like a 747 on take off when running certain portions on TSW and it sure gets hot, while the PS5 remains quiet and calm and doesn´t heat up at all. Seems like a walk in the park for it, even at 4K/60Hz. Bottom line is probably that, even if PS5 is capable of higher power outputs than PS4, it doesn´t mean it´ll be maxed out by every game. Plus I think you have to consider also the TV´s power consumption. I run PS4 on a 50" LED TV from 2013. Its max resolution is 1080p. PS5 can handle 4k, so another TV set made sense. I´ve bought a (used) 50" OLED TV from 2021 for that. And funny enough the newer TV set draws less power consumption. For sure because of more modern circuitry. Maybe the below articles shed a light: https://www.ecoenergygeek.com/ps4-power-consumption/ https://ecocostsavings.com/ps5-electricity-cost/ https://ecocostsavings.com/ps5-vs-xbox-power-consumption/ https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/the-ps5-consumes-a-lot-less-power-than-the-ps4-pro-4108017
This shouldn’t really be a factor. Whilst it will likely use more electricity the increase won’t be significant for normal usage times. Certainly not enough to stop anyone upgrading.
The general assumption is always that more power is only possible through more power consumption. But that's not quite right. You can also see that in the development of the PS4. The launch PS4, which came out at the end of 2013, used almost twice as much power as the 2016 PS4 Slim. The reduction was only possible due to the change in CPU production from the 28 to 16 nanometer manufacturing process. The PS4 Pro, in turn, leveled off at the level of the launch PS4. It's clear that a PS5 with full graphics performance cannot operate on the level of a PS4 Slim and is even slightly above a PS4 Pro. But in dashboard menu mode or when streaming or playing blurays, the power consumption of the PS5 is lower than that of a PS4 Pro. The processor architecture is designed for intelligent energy management, if you believe the advertising. On the other hand, high-end gaming PCs consume even more power! A little tip: there is supposed to be a new PS5 model in development that Sony could still present this year, although further optimizations can also be expected in terms of electricity consumption. All that is known so far is that in the future only one PS5 model will be produced, with a removable UHD disk drive, which can also be purchased separately as an accessory. A PS5 Pro has not yet been announced, but there may be a PS6 from 2028 or when TSW5 has been released.
TSW on PS5 suffers from stuttering on heavier routes due mainly to the game not being well optimised for the platform. Compared to the Series X for example, Sony’s console suffers from drastically lower frame rates and longer loading times, which should theoretically not happen to this degree. Compared to the PS4 though, the PS5 experience is definitely better due to the higher resolution and increased draw distance.
Yes. This game is intensive on all consoles for some reason (the 'some reason' is probably poor optimization). But at this point the 9th gen are by far best experience (in TSW as well as all other games). I have it on all 3 9th gen consoles (Xbox Series X, Series S, and PS5). XSX or PS5 is where its at if you can pay the cost of one of those systems. PS4 was a great piece of kit but at this point its 10 years old and on borrowed time for new stuff IMO.
The performance is clearly better. PS5 handles better 4K than PS4 1080p. So if you have a big TV, the jump is huge. on top you have more layers in some routes. More traffic and more people in trains and stations.
Thank you all for your helpful insights and advice. I'm very happy to say I took the plunge and went for a PS5 and oh my!! Like night and day compared to PS4 version. I hadn't realised how much my PS4 had been getting away with haha. It's a whole different experience. Far more immersive and engaging. I feel like I'm on a journey now, every route I do feels more alive. I feel for the first time I'm getting the true intended experience, certainly my true intended experience and yes it does still stutter but as others have mentioned its barely noticeable in any meaningful sense and for me doesn't detract from the experience. I have fallen in love again with this fantastic game! Cheers all!!
Cheers! Enjoy the "new" gaming experience. Try HMA (Munich Augsburg). PS5 has freight and regional express services. Very complex and entertaining with the fast and slow lines and LZB. And of course BML (London Commuter). 465 Networkers, Southeastern 375s, GWR 166s, and freight. Also heard of a GWR Class 43 at Clapham.
Really happy for you, enjoy the game! I didn´t transfer my PS4 profile. Instead started with a new profile on all routes from scratch. And without any regret since this is a completely new gameplay, a new experience.
Thanks! Aye...Initially I did because, I was well into the hundreds levels wise but then checked myself and thought why am I making a compromise when I've already made the step to get a PS5 and am actually loving starting from scratch and discovering it almost as a new game as the routes are so much more detailed! I'm now considering going one step further and getting 4k, do you know if it effects the smoothness in anyway from HD to 4x?
Absolutely! Screw the level count, who cares. I didn´t test FHD 1080p exhaustively. Just noticed the OHLE which looks a bit better than in PS4, but still awful, no doubt. PS5 drives 4k at 60fps on most routes. There´re significant drops to something around 30fps at the usual suspect routes: BML around Victoria and Clapham junction. On DRA around Dresden where my PS4 straight out crashed (always at Dresden-Mitte). Just to name a few. And, of course, you won´t get completely rid of the stutters, but they´re less notable. Funny enough, the older routes like MSB, RSN, GWE, TVL or NTP run almost stutter free. I suspect as a result of the work from the defunct preservation team. If you get yourself a 4k TV make sure it supports also HDR. PS5 handles this as well and makes that awful overexposed TSW3 lighting more tolerable.
Yep, that's exactly what I mean If you wish, you can check it here on Sony's website: https://www.playstation.com/en-pl/legal/ecodesign/
Another one is bro with more static stock at bremen, ice services, ai only services at bremen and 363 services. Below is a spreadsheet for all layers in german routes. Some layers are there are all platforms. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1W5-ueaP4-UmdhZMKpdH0yTADmY4gNyMw_dRNi86G57o/edit?usp=sharing
