Train Sim World 3 Self-choice

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  1. dnv3

    dnv3 Well-Known Member

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    Even selection so in short that you may bring a future where you can choose which train you drive where e.g. DB BR 442 on Hamburg Lübeck so this should only be for players the AI and the timetable should be the same both because I would really prefer that you just have the whole repair no matter where available And yes, even if it were all unrealistic, it would be more fun in my opinion, thank you in advance to DTG and thank you also to DTG for this good game
     
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    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    Are you asking for a quick drive equivalent?
     
  3. dnv3

    dnv3 Well-Known Member

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    No and I don't mean the scenario mode as if I could choose Hamburg-Lübeck as an example and drive every train there because I have with because route plans that there are so well for example if I have a regional train that I drive the RB81 with a 426
     
  4. stujoy

    stujoy Well-Known Member

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    It’s a request to be able to drive any train in timetable services, to replace the usual train used for a given service with any other and keep the AI services and the rest of the timetable the same. Other people have suggested the same in the past and it could be a fun little feature.
     
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  5. Purno

    Purno Well-Known Member

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    Yep. Agreed. It'd be nice.

    I'd also buy Edinburgh - Glasgow route if I could use the 314 rather than that silly tiny front window train included with the route. And I even might buy the Class 52 loco knowing I could use it on any route I'd want.

    It's time to upgrade timetable mode with the flexibility TSC quick drive offers. Lets include a consist editor as well please :)
     
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  6. dnv3

    dnv3 Well-Known Member

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    That's exactly what I mean and well, yes, it would be unrealistic, but it would offer more freedom and yes, as you say, it would be more fun
     
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  7. dnv3

    dnv3 Well-Known Member

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    I Hope DTG Can do it
     
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    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    Not sure how you see this working... Imagine driving a HST run on GWE with a class 20 or a class 08.
    How are the timetables and interactions going to work when the timetable is on a 24 hour cycle and people would still expect everything to work "normally"
    IRL you'd have manual signallers who could sort the mess out, but the game doesn't have this and a lot of the skill of the timetablers is figuring out what will cause a conflict and what won't

    Another dispatacher issue (unless they've fixed it which I haven't seen) is that consist lengths have to match else it breaks the passenger loading system, so if you have a 7 car consist you can swap out for another loco so long as it doesn't change the consist length (or number of vehicles in that consist). Your suggest may do that, especially if swapping MUs when going from a 2 car to a 5 car

    This would require a lot of work on the dispatcher, and a lot of work in how timetables are made or generated and right now I don't see the game having, or moving towards that level of functionality
     
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    marcsharp2 Well-Known Member

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    I'm the same, imagine choosing for example an an American freight train on a Bakerloo line service, just wouldn't work and break the game in my opinion.
     
  10. dnv3

    dnv3 Well-Known Member

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    So I imagine it that you go on the train Halle (sorry I only know German vehicles) and take the German Class 426 as an example and then take Hamburg-Lübeck as an example and that's it these plans like everything else stays you just have just another car on the track signals around plans everything like taking the German class 112

    And yes, that would be unrealistic, but you should also do it in such a way that you can only use electric locomotives where there is also an overhead line, so you shouldn't change anything. Diesel vehicles can drive anywhere anyway
     
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    dnv3 Well-Known Member

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    Well, that's not what I mean, the train should already fit the track
     
  12. ARuscoe

    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    I know you're looking at it from a "Wouldn't this be great?" aspect, but I'm viewing it from a "how would they need to develop the systems in game to accommodate this way of playing" aspect, as well as a how often would people do this, thus how useful would it be...

    From what I'm reading it's very much a rabbit hole (maybe even a warren) and would need in essence a rebuild of the timetable and dispatcher to avoid impacts and conflicts which would rebuild the whole red lights issue they've just spent months picking apart
     
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    dnv3 Well-Known Member

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    That's also true, sorry, I didn't look at that, but maybe there is a simple solution to use favourite trains on other routes
     
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    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure there is a simple solution in this instance because everything I can think of will have some way of messing it up when you do something stoopid, like trying to run a really fast train down a tube line, or a really slow train down a high speed line

    Same with how to manage "where does my consist stop now it's 200 cars long?"
     
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    dnv3 Well-Known Member

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    Well, I imagine it in such a way that you arrange the trains according to their specifications like subway fast train or goods train
     
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    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    Again, I think you're viewing it from a "would it be great?" aspect. I'm thinking of all possible outcomes and how that can be developed, because you can be sure someone somewhere wants to be able to drive an 08 from Edinburgh to Kings X with a full load of carriages
    (I'm sure I've seen someone do that on TSC and it was something like 13 hours on stream)
     
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    dnv3 Well-Known Member

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    Well, I can only speak for German trains and it wouldn't be so difficult to use a BR442 on a route where a BR112 or the BR182 runs
     
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    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    OK, but what about a V15 shunter?
     
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    dnv3 Well-Known Member

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    Looks like a narrow-gauge railway good question would be a freight train think Ruhr Sieg Nord would be ideal
     
  20. Purno

    Purno Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps we'll just have to accept that doing extreme stuff is likely to break stuff. I mean, you can't sensibly run a 08 on a HST run and not expect to massively mess up the timetable. People who do that kinda stuff just want to see what happens. It'll be a sandbox.

    Players don't need protecting that much. If you do silly stuff, silly things are gonna happen.
     
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    dnv3 Well-Known Member

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    Also true, but it's just a suggestion because unfortunately there are many good trains on routes that are not properly developed
     
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    There would only be an issue if the player train doesn’t fit in the start position allocated for that service. In those cases the game wouldn’t allow it. Also for runs of this nature with a substituted train just for the player, the return to free roam option at the end could be disabled so continuation of the timetable wouldn’t be an issue. Nobody is expecting the whole timetable to be made up of rogue trains for the full 24hrs, it is just an option for one trip.

    You can already drive the correct trains faster or slower than what a timetable service is expecting and it doesn’t break that one service. The only issue is the UI implementation of choosing a service and then a suitable ‘substitute’ train to drive on it, as that’s likely to be complicated, but once you have chosen your preferred train then the service itself would be fine.
     
  23. dnv3

    dnv3 Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you and well in tsw there are also short and long trains and man could also choose or well that the game does it itself would be okay
     

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