For those who are looking for Australian routes and addons. Please visit my post on the Railpage forums, I try to keep this thread regularly updated. I just recently found another route that I was going to model myself. List of Australian addons RW/TS (Page 1) / Train Simulator / Forums / Railpage
Started by looking at the Adelaide Metro Route The Author illustrates it with stupid music and then running everything speeded up And apart from the track and signals there is no scenery The route has not been updated for 5 years since May 2018 The Central Coast & Newcastle Line V1 route looks very good and even though it uses British assets it seems to capture the feel of the line from the few pictures I have seen of the real Australian Railways
It's very much Anglicised and fictionalised though. Based on the main line from Bell to Lithgow with the Zigzag line thrown in too. Really could do with a bit of a rework.
It's already been released mate, scroll down to post 12 Jun, 2019 @ 10:59pm then follow the Google Drive link to download the complete package.
I just downloaded this package and had a quick look inside - The Author seems to have packaged up DTG assets in their ap files?
Just checked and confirmed.. Can I get done for piracy when I already own every DTG dlc listed?. (obviously I know I can't, I'm just kidding btw.) Should really flag this tbh DTG JD DTG Jamie TrainSim-Steve
Honestly, DTG should allow distribution of assets with freeware routes. It's something that needs to be looked into. Not everyone wants over 100+ UK, USA and German routes. And not to mention some assets from older routes for example 'Bell to Lithgow' is missing assets that DTG removed the routes from Steam. Just would be nice if DTG could look into allowing route builders to distribute assets for those who doesn't have them or even want them.
Yeah, I am aware of that. But I think DTG could consider to allow route builders to distribute assets with their routes as long as they are 'Freeware' based
But ALL DTG assets ARE already available and free from restriction (within reason) to use! The only caveat being that you must purchase the payware DLC to use the freeware User Created Content, the more payware a content creator uses then yes the more expensive that freeware becomes but that is the nature of it, it's not a bad thing a) it supports DTG to continue developing the sim we all love and b) it keeps the content creator from going too mad with DLC requirements, imagine if he/she used station assets from 40 different DLCs and 30 of them you had no intention of ever playing, they'd still all need to be installed on your hard drive, that costs you money whichever way you look at it. Packaging the whole DLC and distributing it with freeware UCC is unnecessary as only very small parts of it are used, why would you need the included NWC DMU's for an Australian route when only say I don't know the tree and foliage assets were used from that DLC for example. It's also defeating the object of DTG selling DLC content because you'd just download a freeware UCC and get the whole DLC for free, it would get to the point that any paid content would be unsellable because of all the free versions available, DTG are a business if they lose a lot of money they will close shop WE will be the ones that lose out as there will be no more TSC. Not forgetting that redistributed content could also easily be open to malicious intent, I buy something from DTG or a trusted third party vendor and I know I have a base level of trusted content, obviously any freeware could potentially be malicious but when you've been around the game community for a while you know what and who to trust. I'm sorry but there is no argument that you could put forward that would convince me or justify en-masse the sharing of full payware DLC content with freeware UCC, it is wrong it is harmful and ultimately WE are the ones who will lose out.
Oh I had forgotten Whiteman Park. Quite a fun little route to build. Sadly when DTG or RSC as they were then pulled Phorum Peninsula, which had been trumpeted as a source of assets for hobby builders, it borked quite a few routes.
Thank you for letting us know. We've followed up with our Licensing team, and removed references to the route in this thread.
I'm not trying to get into an argument with you mate. I was just telling someone else that the Adelaide remake route is already available. Mind you that the Adelaide 'REMAKE' route is NOT the only route archived with it's assets from payware routes, just saying.
It would be nice if DTG could bring back Phorum Peninsula. I need this route for your Whiteman Park route and not to mention the Tumulla Bank route too
Just to highlight that everyone who purchases, downloads and installs Train Simulator signs agreement to abide by the terms of the End User Licensing Agreement or EULA (see: http://store.steampowered.com//eula/24010_eula_0). The EULA expressly forbids the redistribution of any part of our intellectual property (i.e. our software, included add-ons or add-ons available to purchase) without our express permission in writing. We have always been fairly relaxed on how our players use our intellectual property (IP) in user generated content on the understanding that either Steam Workshop is used for the purposes of distributing their content and/or that, where necessary, permission is sought from us when wishing to distribute content which needs to include items from our IP, particularly when using small numbers of assets from individual add-ons to make it more practical for the developer's end users. Best, Steve
Re this route - The Central Coast & Newcastle Line The author has made his own OHLE structures which look like those I have seen in pictures. And the use of UK Signalling is not far off what is used but the bit that lets the route down is the UK stock If Australian simmers want a proper route then maybe they should make some of the assets. In Romania there was noting available commercially until people got together and made locos, stock, assets and routes. Now there is a large number of items available as free and payware. Same goes for the Czech Republic for locos, stock and routes
The Australian community for TS isn't overall that great. Not many would be willing to put their hand up and get starting at building routes, scenery objects, track, rolling stock, locomotives and more for TS. I can say, that creating routes in TS Classic is a lot easier than MSTS. Both TS Classic and Trainz is easy to build routes. Unfortunately, TS Classic doesn't have that awesome ability Trainz route builders has using TransDEM. All you need to do is fix up the track, roads, powerlines and your ready to add in scenery. That's amazing, that TransDEM software. A lot of Australian 3d modellers do tend to give up trying to add in rolling stock and locomotives. This is because it's simply confusing. It took me since version TS2019 to finally work out how to import a locomotive into TS Classic, it was extremely frustrating. The day I finally got a locomotive to work I was jumping for joy. HAHA Without the DTG developer examples, I would be stuck at square one. I am trying my best to create my own routes and even rolling stock. Even though the XPT and NR Class locomotive isn't mind but I do have both authors permissions to add them into TS and distribution, which I am quite pleased to be able to. Just been doing other side projects and haven't worked out any way to fix up the coupling problems I'm having with those. I hope I'll solve it soon as I'd like to distribute the NR Class locomotive and XPT sooner rather than later.
Most Trainz authors also uses assets/dependencies from payware routes. Check out Illawarra South Coast NSW Australia, this is my dream of how I'd like to create my routes LOL but I'm not that good.. Trainz Discussion Forums - Illawarra South Coast NSW Australia (auran.com)
Experience has shown that it absolutely does not stop content creators from going mad with DLC requirements.
I stand by what I said, yes some content creators especially those new to the route building side of things tend to pick assets from here there and everywhere thus making the requirement list unnecessarily massive, and if it wasn't for the community at large saying "nope not downloading that waaaay to expensive to buy all the requirements needed" then the creators wouldn't hone their skills and take care and consideration over their asset picking and things would run amok and spiral out of control. When the guy who done the Cambrian Route (not to be confused with the OTS Cumbrian Coast) first released that the asset list was huge, he then released a 60's version and based on feedback reduced the list of requirements, now he's doing the Heart of Wales line and one of the first things he said when he started it was that he intended to keep the requirements list down. So yes as I said:
It’s definitely a conundrum for freeware route builders. No one route contains all the assets you are likely to need for your own project but I do make a concerted effort to keep the dependencies down. I too have experienced the nightmare, downloaded a couple of freeware routes hosted on a well known payware site but the list of required assets was a complete nightmare. Not just official DLC, but stuff from other payware routes on external sites and numerous freeware bits and pieces. Gave it up as a bad job.
