Train Sim World 3 Wcml: London To Birmingham Via Watford Junction

the route will have the same miles as Kassel - Wurzburg. The Route features a 115 mile route from London Euston to Birmingham New Street including the Class 221 in Avanti West Coast Livery , The Class 390 In Avanti West Coast Livery , The Class 350 in London Northwestern Railway Livery. The stops are. Watford Junction. Blecthley. Tring. Northampton. Hampton-in-Arden. Coventry. And Birmingham New Street

 

This is the umpteenth suggestion this week alone. Do we really need yet another WCML thread?

And no the WCML is nothing like SKW in terms of building requirements. Complex track, numerous large stations and yards plus many built up areas. As said before we would be lucky to get Euston or MKC or Rugby to Birmingham given DTG’s seeming new propensity for making short routes.

 

As awesome as it would be the have the WCML in Tsw OldVern is correct, the scale and complexity of building WCML would make Kassel-Würzburg look like the upcoming Glossop route.

Also there are far more stations on WCML between London and Birmingham then the one's you have listed.

 

Kassel - Wurzburg is 115 miles so its the second route to have 115 miles. The ECML is 285 miles.

 

Watford Junction and a few others to Coventry is the ones I know. We can have the 1972 Tube Stock as a layer

 

Just because it has a similar route mileage doesn't mean it can be developed in the same amount of time.

For example, Kassel-Würzburg has only 3 stations and runs mostly in countryside where's WCML has over 30 possibly 40 stations (many of them quite large) and runs through multiple heavily built up areas.

 

Also the ECML is 393 miles long in it's entirety, not 285.

 

Dude, you already wrote about London to Edinburgh in it's entirety. Of course you would write about this. I have some suggestions to your suggestion.

1. You spelled Bletchley wrong
2. Provide more information about where the route goes
3. You missed a LOT of stops
4. I know you said the rolling stock, but tell us more about them?
5. The Class 66 would also be added to this route
6. Can you provide a list of the stops?
7. Would it branch off? Could we add any layers to it?

 

The WCML(south) is 113 miles 42 stations. As OldVern said, DTG probably won’t release this. Best we can hope for is a Trent Valley which is 57 miles or a more northern part which is long, but there are less stations, as DTG aren’t really doing long mainlines unfortunately

 

Dtg not doing long mainlines is disappointing (yes I know it due to dev times/costs which I completely understand) but should they ever decide to bring the Wcml to Tsw they really need to do it justice and that means a long stretch of route like London - Birmingham.

 

I 100% agree, even if it’s a annual long route, I would love it in TSW (say WCML South or ECML North which are over 110 miles but not longer than 200 miles)

 

As far as the Ecml is concerned, I'd prefer the London - Peterborough section as it would offer the most service variety without needing to develop a large number of new trains and at 79 miles is still a very reasonable length.

 

Anything WCML, like Shap Stoke on Trent, ECML, GEML to Ipswich etc..... would be excellent.

Bakerloo line already has 5 or 10 miles of WCML next to it......

It's time for some direct ports (well I don't think they can do that but you know what I mean) from TSC to TSW3/4....

Ignore the others complaining about this being the 100th suggestion for WCML....

It will likely happen!!!

Are there local London trains that stop as well? I assume so because the stations are same as Bakerloo....

I think there is a huge demand for the tap changer 87 class and WCML on Shap......

That route is epic and has so much diversity, a branch I think into Scotland... heading West....

You can run the 395s on it. Also HST and in future Avanti. I think Avantis won't be far away either.

Exciting times ahead....

 

395's don't operate on the Wcml.

 

I'm sure they will in sim until an Avanti and 225 sets appear.... etc

 

If the 395 appears as one of the included trains on the Wcml (should dtg ever make it) it would likely cause outrage among the fan base because as I've already said, the class 395 has never ever operated on the Wcml and likely never will.

If the Wcml does eventually come to tsw, it will need to include trains that actually do operate along that route, class 221, 350 and 390 for example.

Also the 225 has never operated on the Wcml either.

 

Please let's not start a flame war. People will use the train on it from making scenarios.

But it won't be a train on the route. ok youre right I never said that anyway. I just meant people would use it.

Let's move on.

The 225s will be used and Avanti?

And new 800s???

 

225s and 800s do not do WCML

 

I'm not trying to start anything, but you did say that the 395's will operate there in sim and in regards to the 225's, no they will never be used by Avanti.

 

Isn't it the 807s that will eventually replace Pendolinos?

 

805's and 807's are replacing the 221's (Super Voyagers) not the Pendolinos.

 

No one started a war mate. You were (and still are) saying things which are not true. As said above the 225s do not operate on the WCML. The trains Avanti have currently are class 390s and class 221s.

On the ECML LNER operate the 225s (comprised of a class 91 loco, mk4s coaches and a DVT) and Azuamas (class 800 and class 801).

 

Ok sounds like we are at an impasses here. I will ignore certain members now.

 

Ah, so because people are correcting you when you have got something wrong you are not going to thank them for correcting and therefore helping you but going to ignore them like a primary school child would!!! This forum baffles me sometimes!!!

 

No, as MGBGT (is that named after the car) said we were correcting a mistake which you were continueously making in the same way if we got a fact wrong we would expect to be corrected. At no point have we argued with you but again as MGBGT says above were actually helping you understand something which you didn't. As the old saying goes 'you learn something new everyday' and this is your something new.

 

Haha, we’ll said! Yes it’s the car!!!

 

Thanks mate. I used to have one years back and it was a real beaut: I'd buy it back any day!

 

Did I say the 395 would be included in the route? No.

Enough. Next ones joining in will be ignored.

You just all can't handle the OP. Leave it alone.

 

Just in case, have you heard of "Off the rails" mode in scenario planner?

So please enough.

I will start reporting posts.

I have had it with aggressive posts targeting people.

 

Erm, yes you did say the 395 would be included...

 

No one here is being aggressive, you've just made some simple errors and we're trying to help correct them, in no way are any of us being aggressive towards you.

But hey ho, if you want to ignore and report me and anyone else here on this thread for doing nothing more then pointing out your mistakes in a calm and polite manner then be my guest.

 

I did not. Read it carefully. You need to do this. Off the rails. Go away now.

 

I did read it carefully, you specifically said that the 395 would be included in the sim.

And no I will not go away, your just starting to act very rude now.

 

The 395s were specifically designed for the Southeastern network with HS1 compatibility.

Having one on the WCML is just the same as a Pendolino on SEHS, it just won't happen

 

Then just stop ingoring people. 395s and 225s on WCML is very unrealistic as neither were designed for it and have never run there in real life.

 

Yes you did:
When Javelin said

You said

Anyhow as I said I am not in this thread for an argument especially when I have tried to help another forum member who has thrown that help back in my face. Also I am not being agressive but just correcting and reminding you of something you said earlier, so don't even consider looking at it in that way please. Now just so I can't be accused of anything I will not make any edits, even gramatical, to this post so I am sorry if something has slipped through the net whilst checking it. Have a lovely evening mate.

 

I want to buy one but just can’t find the right one if you know what I mean!

 

Ah yes, I do know actually, mine was a real gem!

 

Keep quoting, I'll keep ignoring.

All people need to do is stop carrying on.

People run different trains on different lines on their own computers. Get over it! Grow up.

It's not like it will affect you.

 

With all due respect mate, it is you who needs to grow up.

 

Might want to check that tone.

If people want to create a scenario with a 395 or 225 on WCML then so be it. But it will not be there as a base loco for the route.

 

WCML will be at its best with Class 86’s and 87’s on the front line services, Class 81 to 85 as a back up. Class 310 EMU’s on the local services and Class 501 rattling along the DC lines to Watford alongside the 1938 stock. My £30 is up front and waiting!

 

Now that sounds AWESOME!!!!!!! Class 310s.... were they ever done in TSC???

 

Don’t think so, ISTR MSTS had a version of them though.

 

Although I am more of a modern day person I wouldn't mind if it was set pre-Pendolino.

Sometimes the older locos are better to see and drive.

 

Seeing Birmingham Cross City finishes on the WCML (Litchfield on Trent) and Glossop starts at Picadilly.... Is this a GIGANTIC hint of what's to come next???

Also, is there a Northern line going to Old Trafford, or past it?

 

Qell, seeing as we now have two routes with the WCML (SOS & BCC), hopefully so.
Manchester Piccadilly to Birmingham New Street is the best bet, although a little long at 89 miles.

 

No sure why that's a bet at all
Northampton to Birmingham is just as likely, and that's only 50 miles and 13 stations, so within tolerance for a TSW route

 

Ok.

But there is a lot of demand for a true main line here.

It is possible yes.

But I see the passion in these forums for a GEML/WCML/ECML to be reproduced as they were in TSC. I think I would buy another WMR route to Northhampton.

I take it you like that route?

There is a huge demand for the BR British Blue stuff as well. So WCML over Shap as seen in TSC must come over....

The Flying Scotsman is in demand and I think it would make a great DLC (after a route like Shap was released).

But since Britain is the home of rail I am sure there is room for many rail lines including your suggestion.

Now back to the topic of the OP, which is WCML London to Birmingham (after your reply of course answering my questions).....