Armstrong Powerhouse Raise Prices 20%

Yes, how dare we criticise a business asking for our money.

 

Everyone is allowed to cry.

 

Interestingly, since their original Facebook announcement, AP have revised their price increase and reduced it. Packs that were originally announced to have a £2 increase have now got a £1 one. Some packs that were to have a £3 increase have now got a £2 increase.

I've revised this thread title to reflect the actual changes.

If you look at the edit history of their FB thread you can see how the pricing announcement changed.

 

Whilst it is a shame that prices have increased, it's not to be unexpected.
Everything has risen in price including domestic bills so we can't expect things to stay the same.
My monthly shop has increased in price by 80% over the last year.

This price increase doesn't mean I won't buy from AP as I own most of their content anyway (even stuff I'll never use).
I like products that sound and look real and give more variety and life to TSC.

 

Imagine whatever way you received your money, work, pension etc, did not increase even thought everything else has increased then you would find yourself struggling to pay bills.
No different for anybody in any line of work.

 

Exactly. Inflation is all encompassing. Expenses are largely irrelevant when looking at things in the whole. Even if AP's costs haven't increased at all, if the £20 they receive now is worth less in its spending power to the same £20 received 5 years, then they are still seeing a reduction in their income in real terms.

 

You're free to pay it, or not. If customers decided the prices that companies charge, then it would be a busy day at the bankruptcy courts.

 

I'm not sure what category I fit into, I bought probably 30% full price and 70% in sales.
Oh the heavy burden of owning their complete catalogue, minus the sound packs removed prior to me getting in to TSC of course, am I meant to be lambasting the evil tyrant Richard about the fact that I missed out on those? [EDIT - Jan - Quarrelsome]

 

Which is how customers decide the prices of items...
But I don't see why customers can't express their views in a more detailed form outside of buying something or not.

 

This is a fair point but I think it's a balance. The problem comes when some people voice their criticisms so nastily/vitriolicly that it just feels unneccesary and you'd be better off just not being part of the scene any more if you are that against how a certain company operates. There's more to life about dedicating so much time to things you don't like. Not talking about you personally here necessarily but a more general view on a certain sect of people who seem to delight in moaning about AP every time they do something conceivably wrong.

 

I’m surprised a certain member hasn’t jumped on this post. Normally a thread with ap or ats and a certain member appears

 

You forgot to say their name into a mirror 3 times backwards.

 

But you're not a customer. You 'proudly' don't buy anything from AP.

 

You assume that this is an unchangeable status.

 

You cannot be a customer unless you buy something otherwise I could claim to be a customer of Rolls-Royce because if I won the lottery I might buy one, then I might not and there are too many ifs and mights.

 

SO TSW_jan came in here to "clean up" (surprised he knew how to get here from the TSW forums but still) so I'm guessing the one who stirred all the poo poo (is that word allowed in this toddler friendly forum that's frequented by 95% adults over the age of 40?) reported us as jan never usually dirties himself with this forum unless prompted, and as usual the DTG staff jump to the defence of the protagonist (no not the other TSW staff one).

Meh, what's the point.

I'm out, I got a load of AP content and it aint gonna play itself.

 

Good points made on Facebook:

"I get prices going up but surely that should be reflected in future products not retrospectively as its not cost you anymore to produce packs that have already been produced? Either way looking forward to future releases from you guys as you're the best in your field regardless!"

"although this does not affect me as I have all the packs, I feel this should only affect new packs produced, as current packs are not affected by inflation as these were produced at a lower price and should not be inflated to new customers, any new packs produced should take into to account inflation and be charged at a higher price."

 

So when retailers increase prices they only do it on new products? All the product that have been developed, made, supplied, stocked and shelved prior to the inflation increase should remain at the lower price?

Curious, does that apply to houses too? My house was built just over a 100 yrs ago now, should I have paid 1920's prices for it then? Seeing as all inflation since the house was first sold has been since it was built therefore it's old stock.

Pooky I'll take one of those Sierra RS 4x4 Cozzies at original RRP, please.

 

It's not just about the price of the products though. The guy has to live. We're not talking about Tesco here... it's not a massive company. He earns his living by selling things he's already created. That's his income.

No Problem, that will be £17,700 to you good sir!

 

Given all that you have said, and your 'pride' in not being an AP customer, I think it's a fairly safe bet.

 

Oh my yes. If you get reported enough times in here, you just get canned, regardless of whether it's justified or not. You can basically get someone banned to order if you don't like them.
I was banned for a month recently. It was because someone posted a question in a thread where the answer was not not only given in the thread, but actually in the title of the thread, and I wrote a reply saying...

"Someone asked if you have read the thread, and you said yes. LOL Obviously not... not only that, you didn't even read the post's title ".

Which is clearly intended as humour... hence the smiley emoji... which is universally understood to mean you are delivering that comment with a smile... or wry humour. It was reported, and as I was already on a warning, banned. I complained, quoting the conversation as I just have in here, and the reply I received was....

"whilst your message above doesn't seem too insinuating"
..and also
"To clarify your message above, the comment was still deemed worthy of being removed."

Be careful... you can literally get people banned to order just by the number of complaints received. WHAT you actually say is irrelevant. If it upsets the snowflakes... that's it, you're outta here.
This is why I stopped participating in the competitions etc. I just can't be arsed with this place any more. The moderation is ridiculous and not impartial, and you just can't be yourself, or even make a critical comment about anyone, or anything. It's like living in North Korea.
Oh well... that's probably done it again.... LOL.
So long, and thanks for all the fish.

 

Are you accusing me of making the reports?

I would very well consider becoming an AP customer if they changed some of their business practices.

 

No, the problem is that on the TSC forum there are a couple of posters who just swan around thinking they own the place. They criticise, insult and even swear at other posters, including DTG staff, just because they don't share the same opinion or call them out. No better than a pair of high school bullies quite frankly who pick on anyone who comes to school in different coloured trainers.

This makes the whole atmosphere toxic and means you can't have a proper debate because of the high mindedness of a couple of people. There is absolutely no need to post obnoxious, snide or 'smart Aleck' comments. It'll put off new people entering the hobby from getting involved because it's not welcoming and makes TSC feel like a closed club.

 

Tbh at this point you probably should anyway, pretty sure this thread has run its course.

Not exactly sure why you'd state that Jamie, this has never been about DTG or their pricing, this is about an announcement made by Armstrong Powerhouse for Armstrong Powerhouse products.

 

The TSW forums are so much worse, I really hope the toxicity stays there.

 

Agreed.
It may have been a space for some to express their sad panda face, but reading it, particularly yesterday I had a feeling it's just to try and bait certain reactions and then start the equivalent of a pub brawl. Cucumber season.

 

Totally agree, the TSC community is more collaborative and generally more easy going. A few of us (I'm including me) have gotten into silly, regrettable debates in the past, but it does feel like there's more interest in real railways and traction on this side of the fence.

 

Do us all a favour, and just lock any AP thread instantly, because the same people just arrive and start slagging AP off every single time... then run to mods to complain when people argue with them. Pathetic.

 

I got banned for 2 weeks for saying you should stick with the gender you were born with only due to marcsharp2 reporting me

 

I don't agree with your statement - you can choose whatever gender you like - it's your life, no one else's, but I defend your right to say it, and being banned for saying that is ridiculous. Seriously... you can just get people banned to order in here. Just repeatedly complain about them, and they'll get banned, regardless of what was said.

 

unfortunately free speech on the internet tends to lead to a proliferation of hate speech (see Elon's glorious unusable new version of twitter) and every thread would just descend into a total mess of irrelevant arguments (I appreciate the irony of me contributing to such an event on this thread here). The above gender related comment is certainly not the kind of free speech I would feel is worth supporting on an inclusive forum about train simulators.

 

Hasta La Vista