PC [update 13 July] This Time I Am Really Annoyed

All the new Series S Carbon Black's difference is double the storage amount.

Unfortunately there are no changes to the RAM so you still get the same problems.

 

Microsoft dropped the ball there, a boost to RAM capacity would transform the "S". As it is, it's more of a gen 8.5 console. It could also be deliberate planned obsolescence if a mid-gen console is on the horizon.

 

yea I waited for the X for that same reason. I’m glad I did

 

You know a vast majority on Xbox and PC don't want or need the add-ons manager, and people in the beta group have also shown their disdain towards having add-ons manager on Xbox and PC, it's really not needed.

 

Thank you DTG Matt for your reactiveness, that was quick and have a nice weekend.

 

Can confirm progress has been matched up in both lists. Thank you for resolving it so quickly!

 

Kudos to the DTG team for a quick fix!

 

Thank you for hearing us, DTG. Well done on fast resolution.

 

Thank you Dovetail that's great news

 

Thank you DTG Matt and team for fixing this I can confirm everything for me has been restored.

 

Appreciate:

1. The quick communication to acknowledge the issue
2. The quick identification of the issue (and why it's an issue for us)
3. An attempt to make good without any delay
4. Rolling out a patch within the same day (for PC at least, the submission process for consoles is beyond DTG's full control)

That's all I could ask for, so thank you.

 

Thankyou DTG Matt. We couldn’t really have asked for anymore from that response.

Appreciate it.

 

I’m back, my progress is back. thank you for the quick fix. For my Xbox I know is on deck.

 

Matt, a real big Thank you for your Work and any other DTG Employee that have worked on it.
Yes i can confirm the progress now counts on both Timetables.
I have edited the Topic-Start so everyone, who is new to this topic, can see this Problem is solved.

 

I can't thank DTG Matt and the team enough for getting this fix out imminently and this thread was only created last night, kudos to the whole team at DTG

 

Is a testament that the collective feedback, information we give out in this forum is very important for the TSW3 community. Thank you all

 

Of course, it's only fair to support the players on the older platforms. But this shouldn't produce massive disadvanntages for those, who don't need this support. That's the point here. For expanation: the addons manager primarely supports PS5-players to be able to use their whole content. It also has a positive effect on other platforms, whicht don't need the manager fot accessing their content. In this case we have the other side around. It has a supporting effect on the Gen8-Platforms, but also a big negative effect on those platforms, whicht don't need such a support. Thart's the problem.

But I'm happy to read, that there is a solution already.

 

THANK YOU DTG Matt!!!
Now THAT is customer service!

(Sorry for cussing)

 

I agree. The post I was quoting referred to dropping Gen8 support altogether, which is what I disagreed with. However, I agree that more powerful platforms shouldn't be stuck with the same limitations.

 

I think the problem is that fundamentally they would have to build multiple versions of the same route with varying levels of detail (placed objects, timetables, train detail and features) and texture resolution. I don’t think it’s feasible to expect them to do that sadly, nor is it probable that they can add DLSS, FSR, DX12 etc whilst supporting Gen8 consoles. I’m reading between the lines admittedly, but when Matt says that he wants to see those features in the game but can’t say when that might happen I hear, rightly or wrongly, ‘I want to see those features in game but forget it whilst Gen8 is still on the table’.

I get why Gen8 is still supported, but at some point someone has to think longer term and bigger picture than ‘we must support Gen8 consoles until their owners decide to pony up and upgrade’. What if that balance doesn’t tip for another 5 or so years? It’s just not feasible, nor does it make longer term business sense.

We’re already over 3 years into Gen 9. Those consoles showed up 8 years or so after Gen 8 released, so in 5 years time it’s very likely Gen10 will be a thing, if not before. Will DTG still be supporting Gen8 at that point? Given the rhetoric I’m not convinced they won’t, it’s ‘only’ 5 years after all.

 

You can't blame DTG for the 8th gen consoles. I know it sounds like still the same lame excuse of chip shortages but we are still seeing the fallout. Because of the shortages game companies kept supporting 8th gen (rightfully) so upgrading to 9th gen is not that mandatory anymore as it used to be. Normally we shouldn't see big AAA titles being released for both titles anymore this far in the transition but it still happens.



We all know DTG is after our wallets so I'm sure there must be plenty wallets left on 8th gen. You can"t blame them for wanting every penny from us. Cost of living has gone up since supply of 9th gen became normal. So as long as there are too much people that cannot afford a 9th consoles anymore we will get stuck with that platform.

You could set up a fund for TSW 8th gen console users to help them buy a 9th gen console if you want the transition to go much faster

 

Sorry to crowbar myself into this discussion, but I think the answer is "yes", as long as it makes enough money.

Imagine you're the head of the company. Gen 9 content sells well, despite the "shortcommings" the people in the forum are angry about. Gen 8 content still sells well too. Why change any of that ? Would any company, ever, just for the sake of a minimally different/better product cut off their income ?

Basically, people in here are asking for a better product while denying DTG a good chunk of their income to make said product in the first place. I don't think that works out.

 

Yes they would, because they could be attracting new business if they push the envelope so to speak. I've definitely in the past not picked up a game because it looks outdated and old. Case in point, I barely play TSC, because it looks ancient without spending like another £100 on third party addons from AP and others. Tons of people will be in the same boat.
You can't support 10 year old tech, that wasn't even that powerful when it came out. At some point they do need to move to the new hardware, and frankly having the new game on Gen 9, could push some Gen 8 users to Gen 9.

 

The issue lays in the part "could push some users".

I get your point, don't get me wrong. But I just think noone at DTG will abandon anything if it still throws off money on their account, as well as doesn't cost / makes to much effort to make. If the playerbase shrinkens or the issues get to massive, or Gen 10 comes out, or new tech that makes making the game a lot more easier and faster, or bug-free, just anything that in some way heavily impacts either playernumbers or development; then we will see a change. But not before that.

"Never change a running sytem" comes to mind.

(I know that this saying is wrong and a killer for inovation and progress, but if you have the monopoly on Train Sims, with basically no competition, they can sit on their butts for a little while without much of a change.)

 

Never fix something that isn't broke indeed. The problem is, currently it is broke.
Gen 8 and Series S memory constraints are massively holding the game back, as can be seen very clearly.
We are having to have current things reduced in complexity and amount (the luckily reverted timetable change for example).

 

I fully agree, but, if they'd see current release quality as an issue for us or their sales, I don't think they would have continued like this for so long now.

I don't want to be the pessimist, and yesterdays SEHS patch proves that there is still the passion and care for the customers behind this product. But I just think, unless something significant happens, nothing will change in the near future, especially in regards of dropping an entire platform.

 

I think what DTG could do this summer is to overhaul the settings on PC to allow to disabling of unwanted layers and additional LOD sliders to enable scenery to be configured to the machines capabilities; we should not need to edit INI files.

 

I've no particular horse in this race so I have no comment to make, but...

This interests me a great deal. If permitted to talk about it, why has this requirement come about Matt? And what ends up being different about them?

 

Your taking the time to write these detailed reality checks is always appreciated, Matt, thank you!

 

It's more a testament to how effective cussing, fussing and stamping your collective foot can be.

Me, I don't give a fig about medals, achievements and mastery, but I'm glad that those who do have got their toys back in the pram.

 

Thank you Matt for taking the time and giving us a sneakpeak behind the curtain !

But, out of curiousity; could you shine some light on the ever growing list of content, versus the state of the game ?

I am worried for the backlog of reported issues or bugs, while new content gets released with it's own share of bugs or issues. It feels like growing list that is only going to expand, with the inevitable result that one day, some DLC will be left in the state they are in, with no hope of ever recieving a fix for it.

As a customer I feel like this has not enough weight behind the scenes to be pursuit with full commitment. And the most believable reason for that that always comes to my mind is money, and that money needs to be made with content that needs to be released.

And personally, that seems to be a ever lasting loop that is one day going to bite everyone in the butt.

I would be very thankful if you could shed some light on that please, so I / we can know how much importance that has for DTG and the future of the game.

 

Just reflecting there is an interesting analogy here. We of the PC master race sitting here ruminating on ditching the older consoles. But put the shoe on the other foot and DTG decided the next iteration of TSW would run far better if Windows 11 only and ditch Win 10! Sure I’m not the only one who ran the MS W11 compatibility test on their potato PC and it basically split its sides laughing. Buying a half decent new gaming PC Win 11 capable not likely to leave much change out of £1200!

 

@DTG Matt

What I don't understand is why more things aren't scallabe by using settings. I.e. the amount of static scenery looks to be a constant issue on multiple fronts. On one hand you have players complaining that the world feels empty with so many empty sidings, while on the other hand, each major dlc, you're juggling with stuff like memory limitation for last-gen console.

One-timetible-fits-all sounds nice in theory, but from the outside it just looks like a total nightmare to properly develop. From timetable designers (non-developer people) having to always think about memory, when placing every single static wagon, to lots of time being spent memory profiling. And you have to know this problem will only get worse should sony or ms do a mid-generation console refresh, or, god forbid, a new spec console altogether.

Why doesn't the game have sliders for these things? I remember that even MS Flight sim 1998 had these kind of scalability settings.

I undertand that whatever new scalability you introduce now would most likely only affect new routes, but it still feels better than this huge loaded, only to get heavier, wagon you're pushing right now.

 

Thanks DTG Matt for possibly the most informative thread I have ever read on any forum. Everything you said makes sense and I can see how you have it all balanced. Like you say it will be the BIG games that force the shift to Gen9 consoles and TSW will make that move at the appropriate time. I am on PS5, and I know I am lucky that I could afford ‘the beast’ as it is affectionately known. There will come a ‘tipping point’ in the future, but that will be driven by games other than this one.

 

I mean I could just go shopping at Overclockers UK and buy a new motherboard CPU and GPU, maybe PSU and a SSD HD but last time I tried that made a bit of a mess of it. My eyes tend to go fuzzy if I do too much close up work and neuropathy means I haven’t quite got the dexterity for the fiddly bits. So as I said the other day, a complete replacement is a WIP with the Mrs!

 

My current PC was from them and although I've added a few bits to it, been solid for nearly 10 years.

 

Been building my own PCs since the early 90s and have always enjoyed it. So much easier to set up these days of course, no interrupts to configure or customised config.sys and autoexec.bat to faff around with in MS-DOS, thank goodness! Went from a ZX Spectrum to a SNES, then after having transitioned professionally into IT support I built my first Intel gaming PC (386 CPU based). Nowadays the price of GPUs has become silly as greedy companies try to keep pushing pandemic price levels on consumers.

 

I've never called my PS5 the beast

Oh except that one time when I'd just bought it and I opened the box and said "that's a sexy beast"

 

+1 for PC Specialist

 

I'm probably the only one who didn't mind this change.

 

The end part though....

 

Any update on when us PlayStation players will be getting the patch? I keep looking forlornly at the 700 in my wishlist but as I’m not touching SEH until it’s fixed there’s no point buying it yet.

 

I remember one of the community managers I think said the goal is this week

 

Yes, waiting for the patch on Xbox. I’m still using the 700, but only on scenario planner. Loving it!