Time To Go For 8th Gen

What would you say if a Porsche driver would say to you, that you can use the highway only, if your car runs faster than 250 kph?

 

I do not answer this silly question.... If you dindt Accept my point that's you're problem. Always sitting in front row whitout paying a fair price is not how the public life is working.

 

To buy expensive cars and to buy expensive hardware are comparable things. You could make the same comparison with low and high price bicycles, houses and so on too.

 

Sorry I have no idea what you're point is... Useless discussion.... I hope to bring the point that in this material life where kinds are very young didn't learn the lesson that's not everything is free and that you have to make choices in what you can spend and not always use the shoulders from other people or other users

 

DTG said they will not drop Gen8. Because they exactly know that the large majority of their customers will not invest 200 € or more per year in PC Hardware. Otherwise TSW wouldn't be an economic success for DTG.

 

If you understand this text they never written that they will bring all the updates to the gen8 but you can play the game further on with the existing addons... Thats a different approach. And the excuses for losing Income is never be a source thats checked by officially information by numbers

 

The purpose of running a business is to make money, not to lose it. There is no need for a company to explain that.

 

Give it a bloody rest. I'm so sick of these kinds of pots.

 

If you keep appealing to the same audience, you'll find your audience eventually disappears.
Have a look at Harley-Davidson. Kept manufacturing products that appealed to its core market. However, its customers are slowly dying off and there's nothing in the product range to appeal to new customers.

 

I'm almost starting to wish they would drop 8th gen so the excuse becomes moot and we are all faced with the reality that the game will not be catapulted into the future and we find out it was not gen 8th that is holding the game back.

Most games out there are still being developed for both generations and none of them looks to be suffering from gen 8 holding them back. Only this game seems so uniquely magical that it can't reach the expected performance you would expect from the current generation hardware.

I think the best solution is to release TSW4 dropping 8th gen but keep supporting TSW3 with the same new routes as TSW4 until TSW 5 gets launched.

 

Doubtful that they would continue to support TSW3 when TSW4 releases. Unless they want to keep posting an additional lie every month to their roadmap alongside TSW2.

 

They will without a doubt drop TSW3 core. The only thing they'll improve is NYT but appart from that. Maybe 3rd party dev will improve their own work ?

 

I doubt even the 3rd parties would bother. For example the improvements that Rivet made to West Cornwall haven't made their way to TSW2 and I doubt they ever will.

 

When I got my Series X, I had strongly considered buying TSW3 for Series X instead of PS4, especially after seeing how good TSW2 looked and ran on Series X. But then I realized I would lose all the progress I made in my profile and how I would have to contact customer service because I bought the Xbox versions of TSW2020 and TSW2 on disc instead of digital, so I decided to buy TSW3 on PS4 instead of Series X. At this point, I might just wait until a TSW game actually requires 9th gen before making the switch. Though if something like a timetable update or DLC comes out that is exclusive to 9th gen, then I will finally make the switch and start playing TSW3 on Series X.

 

Then why no native DX12, DLSS / FSR support?

Why does Ultra look like broken biscuits?

 

Particularly still means higher-spec platforms ARE being held back though right?

Good question lol.

 

DTG JD DTG Matt Yeah this is the question that I think this is a really good point... The game has never get a good performance and quality update with such already very common things for games in 2023....

 

TSW really should make use of DLSS/FSR/XeSS. Preferably all three, but at least DLSS/FSR.
It's basically free performance at this point.

 

UE5 natively supports DLSS3 and frame generation. Just saying

 

I am no developer but I'm an avid gamer. The reason I think gen 8th isn't holding the game back is because this community is about the only one complaining every day gen 8th is holding the game back. I'm not going into the Series S discussion. That's a different discussion but other communities seem to do much better without blaming 8th gen for performance issues on 9th gen versions of games.

 

My poor technical knowledge aside and having seen the improvements to MML for PC users, would DLSS/FSR/XeSS enhance things for everyone (PC & Console) or is this something that would be PC only.
Sorry if I’m missing the obvious, it’s my age I think. Thanks

 

Let's turn around.... Did they use the performance of the pc and Gen9 in full possibilities? No! In the end the users with better specs does not get what they can handle.. I think the complaints are more related in this case. You can run a Gen8 for granted but DTG have to make decisions to bring better upgrades for the PC and Gen9 to get people interested in Gen9 with the lowest risk of losing users. So what I mean is.... Bring new futures to the better users and leave Gen8 in game but minimise the upgrades on the Gen8 to make the upgrade a better solution without losing customers

 

DLSS/FSR/XeSS are all similar things that are made by different companies.
It would be PC only for DLSS (Nvidia) and XeSS (Intel). But FSR would be possible on consoles, and some console games do use it, although it's much rarer than on PC.

 

Thank you buddy, I thought it might be predominately PC, but I was just hoping lol. I think I went too early on an Xbox I really should have waited and bought a PC.

 

That's not DTG's assignment. That's on Microsoft and Sony. I can't imagine that there are people who buy a console just to play TSW. People buy a console for games and discover TSW. TSW is riding on the hype of the consoles. People will upgrade consoles when Sony and Microsoft force them to. Have you looked at the Xbox line up? Hasn't been all that stellar up until probably next month. It's the console exclusive games that make people decide to upgrade. Not a game like TSW

 

How is this topic still going when probably the most concrete public statement about anything from DTG was made about gen 8 support? Whatever is released next month will still support gen 8.

 

Because it's still relevant lol. Just because a concrete statement is released, doesn't mean discussion should stop if people disagree with it.

 

Public Statement by DTG (paraphrased);

‘We’re taking a break from releasing DLC to concentrate on fixing bugs, errors and omissions in previous DLC’

Also DTG approx 2 months later;

TSW3

DTG;

‘We’ll be releasing the promised fixes for TSW2 imminently’

Also DTG;

Releasing patches is really hard!

DTG;

‘There’s gonna be an editor, multiplayer and all kinds of cool stuff’

I could go on half the day with this but you get the picture. Just because something is the situation one minute doesn’t mean it remains so the next. It’s not just DTG that does it though, it’s the modern way that far too many companies do business. Tell your customers what they want to hear, not what they need to hear.

TSW will support Gen8 until it doesn’t. That could be today, tomorrow, next week, month or whatever. For all we know it could already have been dropped.

 

Console owners don’t always get it easy, look how long it took to fix the 64gb dlc limit on PS5, and how long it took to fix the Xbox jackhammer audio issue on TSW2 (then the audio broke again on TSW3 and still remains unfixed and unacknowledged).

 

Luckily that's almost exclusive to TSW as with other game releases it's almost every time me wondering what PC gamers are complaining about

 

That’s a whole different kettle of fish, with recent PC games releasing in a poorly optimised state, with shader compilation stutters abounding. Most console games are fairly well optimised (not including TSW unfortunately) as there’s very few hardware iterations to deal with.

 

When did Last hear the jackhammer for xbox? I've not heard it since tsw 2 days.

 

In TSW2 as mentioned. The TSW3 issue is entirely different although possibly related.

 

In TSW 3 on Xbox they managed to compress the audio so all the loop cutoffs are boosted in the audio. It probably depends on what set up you are using but if you use a high end home theatre environment or if you use headphones the game becomes unplayable because the audio is a constant mess of loop cutoffs. I don't remember there being any route that not suffered from this.

 

This do nothing with Microsoft or Sony.... If you drop the Gen8 DTG is missing a huge part of players.... So if DTG is smart they try to get users to Gen9 with new features for Gen9 and PC so that users make a switch to newer equipment...

 

Why? That does not make any sense. TSW does not come even close to the titles that actually make people buy consoles.

 

You’re absolutely right. I had to ditch my headphones, I can’t believe that it takes so long to fix issues like this.

 

That's always the case... By pc and Gen9 the same but if you do nothing and stay with the same situation never will something changed. Anyways there more games that bring this card in... And minimise the graphics in relation to Gen9....

 

It's games like Starfield and Spiderman2 that make people buy consoles not TSW 4.

 

I get that, but on console TSW is a bigger fish in a smaller pond when compared to PC. Basically no competition on console (something about a derail?). A solid review and a little targeted marketing around the holidays and I’m sure it would do well, the install base is there.

I bought the base game cheap and I shelled out for pricey DLC. Hopefully the next game is NOT free to play, but I could totally see this being the model going forward. This would introduce tons of new players and likely more sales for DLC.

 

Sure but it's not DTG that can make people upgrade their console. The market is controlled by Sony and Microsoft. Sony and Microsoft could not deliver enough next gen so they kept delivering 8th gen supported games. If Covid had not happend TSW would have been already 9th gen only because the userbase for next gen would be way higher.

Today we see price cuts. This is what will trigger people to upgrade their consoles and if we are lucky DTG looks at the sales numbers next year and sees gen 8 is not viable anymore but at the moment they look at the sales numbers and those numbers say they should not drop gen 8.

 

Imagine it now, I bought the Series X just for TSW. I saw the writing on the wall before Rush Hour and thought 8th gen would be dropped by now.

But I was wrong. But the only reason I bought my Series X was for TSW. And it is the only game I have ever installed

 

Thank you for your statement JD with the confirmation of further support for gen8. So all the railfans have the chance to share our hobby.

 

I am on an Xbox One and will soon acquire the X version. Performance on the Xbox One with many routes added is comical. Takes over 60 seconds to launch the game plus it seems to run slower and slower with the more routes added.

 

Are you going to Xbox one X or series X ? I’m on Xbox series X and that takes about 40 seconds to load. I have all uk routes added but this does not appear to slow anything down.

 

Original Xbox One that I purchased back around late 2013 or early 2014 approx! As well as the load times routes seem to be running slower with the more added. Was planning to get the series X regardless of this issue but definitely noticing a slow down.

 

You've had a good run on the Xbox one, but I think you’ll like the series X. It seems to handle most things seamlessly, although there are some routes that have a bit of stutter or pop in, but that’s the DLC not the Xbox performance. Hope you enjoy

 

I'm imagining it and I can already hear all the audio issues plaguing the Xbox version. I can imagine you are often wrong