Introduction: Given how we are now many years into the 'Train Sim World' franchise, it would be nice to see some investment in an all new route that has much loved history in Train Sim Classic - as such I would like to submit a route suggestion for the wonderful North Wales Coastal. The North Wales Coastal route would cover the entire length of the mainline route from Crewe to Holyhead, including the branch line to Llandudno from Llandudno Junction. This means the route will reach up to 105 miles in length from start to finish. Why the North Wales Coastal? At 105 miles in length, this route will take in the suburban scene at Crewe before diverging into glorious Cheshire countryside between Crewe and Chester. With depots available both at Crewe and Chester, this immediately gives a wealth of scenarios and opportunities for the route. After Chester, you diverge towards Shotton and Rhyl, and start to work out why this route has the word 'Coastal' in the name! On one side you have fantastic sea views, and on the left you have rolling hills of the Welsh Mountains - a true way to show off the game and all its beauty! After Llandudno you have to cross the spectacular Conwy Bridge and what a sight this is - the screenshot opportunity would be fantastic. And now you head towards Holyhead via the longest station name at Llanfair PG (not PG Tips!) and eventually reach the terminus of Holyhead where the harbour beholds you. With carriage sidings here also, you have manoeuvre services into the sidings overnight. Most of all, this route should be created because it has been done before by Dovetail Games and to a fantastic standard - further proof this can be brought to life in TSW3! What time period will the route be set in? I propose to set the route in the current day. Not only does this make route researching a lot easier, but it means we can enjoy the upgraded depot at Chester for the new fleet of Class 197 trains. The variety these days on the route from Class 67 services, to the Avanti West Coast Class 221s (soon to be replaced by 805s though I don't believe these should be included as they aren't in traffic yet), means you can really enjoy services with a lot of potential. What rolling stock would be included? Transport for Wales Class 197 DMU (new build) Transport for Wales Class 158 DMU (existing 158 from MML) Transport for Wales Class 150 (existing 150 from West Cornwall Local) Transport for Wales Class 175 (new build) Transport for Wales Class 67 + Mark 4s (new build) Avanti West Coast Class 221 (new build) Class 66 GBRf (existing 66 from GWE) I do understand the humongous effort involved in designing an all new train for TSW, so I propose for the route to be released with the Class 197 + 158 + 150 + 66 to get started and the rest released at a later stage. Images for reference (all my own work):
Awesome idea but as it stands current class 150/2 needs hell of a lot of work to bring to even the class 158 standards however in principle is a good idea
Great route suggestion we need a Welsh route in the game also what Sophie said about the 150 I agree it needs alot of work I won't buy another rivet route again unless they sort there mess out
Nice call but this is a route crying out for BR Blue Classic, most of the traction already available (40, 47 Class 101 DMU even the 33 in the latter days with a blue reskin).
Definitely would love this in it's modern Variant. I love the TfW Livery, as it's my local operator down here in the south. The route is great fun in TSC, and would be great to see the 175 in TSW, and the 158 in TfW livery.
This is easy to be done by a joint DTG and Skyhook games team the latter can take a train down to Crewe from Liverpool or Direct Holyhead to Liverpool trains. This is actually the British section of the Irish mail route which means London Euston to Holyhead by train ferry Dublin to Holyhead which is why most of the trains here are boat trains.
It would be a great route to have if it was set in the late 70s or early 80s so, as Vern says, we can make use of our existing BR stock, I believe the Peaks were also regular performers on the line too if my memory serves me right!
Will have to agree to differ! Bought the TSC version and hardly touched it with the whisper quiet 175's and the overpowered Voyagers.
Same here, want more modern, long routes. Get my fill of BR Blue from NTP, TVL and the soon JT route.
Quite agree, I understand the appeal and nostalgia for those who want that era, but for me, it's long before my time and I have no connection or interest in it.
as such I would like to submit a route suggestion for the wonderful North Wales Coastal. This means the route will reach up to 105 miles in length from start to finish. Why the North Wales Coastal? At 105 miles in length, this route will take in the suburban scene at Crewe before diverging into glorious Cheshire countryside between Crewe and Chester. With depots available both at Crewe and Chester, this immediately gives a wealth of scenarios and opportunities for the route. After Chester, you diverge towards Shotton and Rhyl, and start to work out why this route has the word 'Coastal' in the name! On one side you have fantastic sea views, and on the left you have rolling hills of the Welsh Mountains - a true way to show off the game and all its beauty! After Llandudno you have to cross the spectacular Conwy Bridge and what a sight this is - the screenshot opportunity would be fantastic. And now you head towards Holyhead via the longest station name at Llanfair PG (not PG Tips!) and eventually reach the terminus of Holyhead where the harbour beholds you. With carriage sidings here also, you have manoeuvre services into the sidings overnight. Most of all, this route should be created because it has been done before by Dovetail Games and to a fantastic standard - further proof this can be brought to life in TSW3! What time period will the route be set in? I propose to set the route in the current day. Not only does this make route researching a lot easier, but it means we can enjoy the upgraded depot at Chester for the new fleet of Class 197 trains. The variety these days on the route from Class 67 services, to the Avanti West Coast Class 221s (soon to be replaced by 805s though I don't believe these should be included as they aren't in traffic yet), means you can really enjoy services with a lot of potential. What rolling stock would be included? Transport for Wales Class 197 DMU (new build) Transport for Wales Class 158 DMU (existing 158 from MML) Transport for Wales Class 150 (existing 150 from West Cornwall Local) Transport for Wales Class 175 (new build) Transport for Wales Class 67 + Mark 4s (new build) Avanti West Coast Class 221 (new build) Class 66 GBRf (existing 66 from GWE) I do understand the humongous effort involved in designing an all new train for TSW, so I propose for the route to be released with the Class 197 + 158 + 150 + 66 to get started and the rest released at a later stage. Images for reference (all my own work): View attachment 121717 View attachment 121718 View attachment 121719 View attachment 121720 View attachment 121721 [/QUOTE]
Would love to see this route, but I would like the 67 more in TfW livery than DB, but as the primary Ireland-Britain rail connection it’s okay in my book either way — as long as it’s not more rail blue.
...is much less than what it was during the 80s. I still stand by the fact this route would be much better done in the 80s.
I disagree, we would actually get new trains in a variety of liveries if it was created in the modern period. If it's created during the 80's, we're just going to get pretty much the same BR diesels we already have on NTP, TVL and on the future JT route, in the same BR Blue liveries. It's just boring.
We could get 25s and another 1st gen plus layers from existing routes. You may find it boring but I find it incredibly exiting and interesting to actually have to drive the locomotive.
I mean you're driving them all (Steam, Diesel, Modern Electrical EMUs). They're just being driven in different ways. They all have their quirks. To say anything else is simply being elitist for nostalgia reasons. I really enjoy Steam, and Modern trains. I think a lot of people do as that's reflected in route timeline choices. Modern allows for a much, much wider variety of trains due to the nature of privatization. Whereas the BR era, everything is standardized due to it all being owned by BR. You're welcome to enjoy the BR Diesels of course, I'm glad the new JT route is coming out for people that like that period. But, what I do see, is anytime someone makes any kind of suggestion about a modern route, one of maybe 2-3 people will always turn up and make a post saying it would be "better" being in the BR Diesel era.
158 needs upgrading too I don't know why they don't just ask AP to work for them and get the sounds done that way because DTG really struggle when it comes to mixing sounds
I am not arguing that, I would be the first to argue against all modern D/EMUs being the same push-pull machines but you don't drive them in the same way you do an old diesel or kettle. I can instantly think of a couple of 80xs which stand out to me in the same way a couple of HSTs, or 47s stand out to me because of quirks but the diesels I just enjoy driving more like you do your EMUs. BR and standardised don't belong in the same sentence! I can think of many classes of diesel which only share the same paint scheme and otherwise are different beasts. It is because we have been flooded with modern routes and people like me would like to see trains from our younger years, but also young people want to see what used to run on our railways. I do think this route would be better in the 80s the same way you think it would be ''better'' modern. Imagine if the last modern route to be released was ECW a few years ago and then all routes since then were BR Diesels. How you would feel then is how I feel now.
And I completely understand you enjoying BR Diesels, and wanting more. I fully support that, and want much more content for every era of rail in the UK, even if it isn't my personal cup of tea. My issue stems from every single modern suggestion thread I read. You, or one of a few others is posting "This route would be so much better in BR Diesel". Almost without fail. You're even trying to get BR diesels introduced onto the steam routes. We really haven't been flooded with modern UK routes. The BR era you like, and Modern stuff is almost tied for content. Modern: SEHS, BML, EC, Edinburgh - Glasgow, Intermediary: WCL, GWE, Cathcart, Birmingham Cross City, Glossop Line, Midland Mainline, BR "Blue/Green": TVL, NTP, Somerset Railway, JT Route. Steam:SOS, Peak Forest I'm not going to include Diesel Legends of the great western despite that technically being a BR Diesel era timetable, the map isn't properly dated for it. Also leaving out bakerloo line as that's a weird one. There's nothing modern about the 1972 stock, the timetable just happens to be set in 2021. Could easily have a 1980s timetable applied and nothing other than the clothing the passengers would wear would change. The Era we are most flooded with are late BR era (Intermediary) trains Such as the HST, 150, 158, 314, 323. None of these trains are modern by any standards. They are all pre privatization and were ordered by British Rail, which is almost 30 years ago. So while their timetables and liveries might be set in the last few years, their timetables and liveries could be swapped and be set in the early to mid 1990s with pretty much no change.
And here comes the usual BR blue beggers haha. Jokes aside this is a route that HAS to be done modern day - we NEED this traction in tsw much over more BR blue northern routes (which I personally find to be really boring and repetitive) and it also allows for more uniqitiy. Why can't we get some backdated southern routes before we get more backdated north. Let's do an era and longitude swap.
MML is definitely modern day... it just used traction from the mid 2010's. Its not like present day but its certainly not intermediate either. Heck neither is Glossop Line - it uses the same traction as modern day including layers. I'd argue GWE isn't really intermediate but tbf it's definitely more backdated then the other two.
It might be set a few years ago. But the traction is the HST and the 158. Both old trains, from 1982 and 1990 respectively. There is zero modern traction on the route. As I said, you could alter the timetable, slap on a different livery and it would be a 1994 route.
I'm assuming it's just cause DLC only really wants to introduce one new train per pack. So we got the Class 158, as it was probably easier than the Meridian to make. Shame too, as I would have loved the Meridian and the 158. I just want more trains, and less reused ones. All the routes I class as Intermediary are using traction that was ordered by BR, so before 1995. The timetables and paintjobs might be modern, but the trains certainly aren't.
In my eyes it's moreso one major feature or train - mostly train but features with routes like GSL. Guess it makes sense though.
Before I start, the same goes for me understanding you enjoying modern routes. In fairness here the same happens when a backdated route is suggested. It is simply just putting our view on how we would like to see the route. This is because in the year peak Forest is set diesels were the most prevalent traction on the route not steam. We are actually missing services because there isn't a DMU on the route. I have photographic evidence in my loft of Peaks working expresses over that route in '63. These are modern routes and still don't feature classic traction anyway. The Sprinters and 323s are modern rolling stock even though they are getting old now. It's not just about the traction but the setting and environment which in these routes is a modern environment and so they are modern routes. They have all run on the current modern day railway and the routes they are in are all post 2010 therefore making them modern routes in a modern era and setting. They are much more modern than 20s, 31s, 40s, 45s etc. Again it's not just the traction but the environment, so they are still modern routes. I am by no means saying that modern routes should stop being made but there are whole decades which have no representation. I would be happy with a classic diesel route every other year but the last new British diesel loco in game was 3 years ago. Imagine not having a modern route or loco being made for that period of time. I do feel that this has swayed off topic for this thread but would be more than happy to discuss it further on a private conversation to stop clogging up this thread.
