I wasn't offended not to worry. I just happened to quote your post, it wasn't aimed at you especially. I can't 100% say I will purchase TSW4 as I don't know what it involves, I will be surprised if I don't though to be honest.
Same here; it seems like the TSW3 release was actually better than anticipated over TSW2. I waited a couple weeks to purchase it (to "see what happened"), and I'll take a cautiously optimistic approach to whatever is announced later this month.
What I would like to see and I don't even know this is a feature but to stop making good routes only 40-60 miles, (60 if we are lucky) that is one thing what annoys me and not including branch lines or if they do there are only about 1-2 miles. Edit: plus there's only one long route in the game and that is Kassel - wurzburg and all that route is *tunnel* bridge* *tunnel* *bridge* and guess what *OMG* you guessed a tunnel. If we want a long route we need good scenery maybe ECML WCML and no not only for 50 miles. And one more thing before I finish they need to stop working on a route for 3 months release it everyone's like "it's broken again" *sigh* then DTG release a patch after 1-3 months (if we are lucky) that doesn't fix all the fixes what we want and we are STILL left with a broken route
Another post speculating, wildly looking for a DTG reaction, worded to entice, provocate, and seek affirmation, or denial to fill that lost void in life between August 6th and 22nd. All these polls, wild rumours, you're breaking me ( and I'm sure others)
So all the critics on here have stopped buying TSW for ages and haven't found anything other to do so they stay hanging around on the forums? I don't think so. People who already say they are going to buy TSW4 seem to me the people that are very self aware. Who cares about people pre ordering? It's the final sales that matter and most of the people who complain about TSW will end up buying the routes anyway. Pre order or not, people keep buying this game.
Not that I drink much these days, but TSW is a bit like the morning after hangover when you vow never to drink beer again. But next Friday or Saturday down the pub knocking them back!
TSW4, if it exists. Will have three routes for a cheaper price, and will be the focus of updates and new content going forward. It's only going to be £40-£50. For something I will inevitably play a lot, so why wouldn't I buy it? £50 isn't an ammount of money I need to be "careful" with. It just comes out of the portion of my monthly income I set aside for Games/Hobbies. It was only going to be spent on some other kind of game/content, it's not impacting my bills/expenses/savings on anything else.
Ah fair enough, I'm on steam, so not really bothered by achievements. That 100% should be fixed though.
They've been very quiet about things really they haven't denied its coming but personally I think it's to early for a new train sim world they need to sort tsw3 out first before releasing a new one and it's only been out a year
That was my initial response on TSW3. TSW 3 did improve a lot of stuff but also broke stuff. It's DTG so TSW 4 will fix a lot of stuff and give us headaches at the same time.
Yes, DTG are in this for money, it is a business after all, but I think gamers forget that developers have a vision and it’s their baby, nobody loves or cares about the game like they do. However they envision the next iteration coming out, I’m sure it will be an effort to paint their baby in the best light possible. They aren’t going to make a decision that is counterproductive to their vision. I guess I’m just too new to this game to be jaded by lack of support or bug fixes. I am happy to support the next big thing as there isn’t a better or more relaxing simulation game on console. Sim games are hot right now, (Trucking, Farming, Lawn mowing, Powerwashing, etc) and I think DTG know that these types of games are doing better than ever, even on consoles, and I fully expect the next big thing to be great. While I just spent an average looking penny diving in, hopefully these maps will continue to be supported on the next one and whether you want to upgrade or not is up to you! Pretty sure there will be exclusive maps and features to push you to buy, but that’s literally every new game that comes out and no reason to shout at the sky.
Lol, a poor choice of words! I’m good at that, super long posts too—just trying to bring the perspective that it’s exciting times for this franchise right now! Fans should be happy their game and devs have excited new news to share soon and I’m happy to be here for it.
Just my 2 cents. Train simming is a very niche area and companies like DTG need money to support it. If they are not making money, they are not putting out routes. They used to do TSC release every year with free engine upgrades but it will always be bundled with some routes to make it more enticing. But they own the engine that TSC is built on so they can do it for free. But if they are licensing UE from Epic, then they have to charge for any game upgrades as well. But from what we have seen, DTG always bundles routes with the new version releases and makes the changes backward compatible so older routes (with exceptions) work with new versions as well and basically port everything over. I am not defending DTG in any way. They need to fix some core gameplay issues. If the upgrade fixes bugs and charges money for it, that is just wrong but if its a step forward, then I am ok with paying for it.
I'm not sure what you mean by this, but historically DTG have not provided updates for previous games, even after saying that they would.
No they don't. There has never been a rule that upgrading versions of Unreal requires a payment so large thousands of players have to be charged £40 for bugfixes that should have come out years ago and very minor upgrades that could have been added to the base game. Railroads Online had an upgrade to Unreal 5 and that was free. Dovetail cannot use Unreal versions as an excuse for biyearly upgrades. Don't try to justify others' behaviour. Plus the comparison with TS is a load of rubbish; they bought the engine off EA when RSC was formed and still have other things they pay for like PhysX, Autodesk Scaleform and SilverLining - and in my ten years of owning Train Simulator I haven't been asked to pay for an engine upgrade. Plus many of the upgrades that people try to use to justify TSW2/3/4 have already been done in TS for free. Volumetric clouds have been in TS for years and recently were upgraded and will soon be again (added for free, updated for free once and it will be free again), graphics upgrades have been done many times for free as well, including the major overhaul in TS2012, dynamic weather already exists... There's a pattern here.
But there is no rule that says companies can't release a "new" version of their game and charge for it when they see fit. So yes there is a pattern here. I'm suspecting DTG to be a company.
And there are plenty of other things that are allowed but that shouldn't be done. I can't believe I've had to say it twice on the same page in one thread, but don't try to justify the behaviour of others - they're not even a friend, they're a company that's had some pretty dodgy behaviour for years now. It's just DTG being greedy with a sub-par product. And again, TS engine upgrades have been free since 2010, and those upgrades have been far more substantial than all of TSW's engine upgrades combined.
But why would you repeat it twice on the same page? I don't think of DTG as a friend. I think of DTG as a company that wants all the money in my wallet just like all other companies I have to deal with everyday.
That's exactly what they are: a company that charges people for their products. Not different to other companies.
It makes me laugh so much when people think other people think some company is their best friend lol, companies don't care who or what you are, be it alive or dead, they only care if you have a disposable income so they can have a chunk of it. They also couldn't give a stinking rat's arse what you want either, they make what they want, and then if it just happens to be what you want, you are one jammy lucky sod.......
I'm still rather bemused by the conviction out there that whatever is hiding behind the Smithfield codename is TSW4. It could just as probably - indeed, more probably - be a "v.3.5" upgrade like Rush Hour was. Yes, apparently the depots include revamped/compatible versions of the existing DLC, suggesting a fairly heavy revamp of the core engine; but that was true of Rush Hour too. And, no, I don't think it means Unreal 5, because Matt P has flat stated in the relatively recent past - well within the development window of "Smithfield" - that DTG have no plans at this time to move to UE5. So I think we can put that one to bed.
Let's just say when a mummy train and daddy train love each other one tries to mount the other one, and sometimes breaks the back of the other.........
This doesn't even make sense, because those two sentences are contradictory. They care very much what customers want, so they can sell stuff to them. That may, however, be distinct from what some customers say they want, as well as from what's actually doable.
It makes perfect sense, they make what they want and what they think will make them the most money, they don't care at all at what you the player wants, their next DLC isn't going to be made because Johnny from Stafford or Mark from Grimsby wants it, Johnny and Mark just get bloody lucky if what they wanted actually gets made, that's the whole point, the player base has minimal effect of shaping the decisions of what gets made.
Nonetheless, they do make what they think a hypothetical large number of people will want, because they do hope to sell it. It's not like some staff member's favorite line is narrow-gauge mine railway in Slovenia so that's what they make. Even the idiot writers of Netflix' The Witcher, Amazon's Rings of Power and HBO's last two seasons of Game of Thrones wrote what they thought (wrongly) the potential audience would want (mistaking their own tastes for those who don't breathe through their mouths)
The only thing watching that last season of The Witcher achieved, was putting the book series on the top of my “must re-read ASAP” list!
Does it matter what it's called? TSW3,5 TSW4, Train Sim World Plus, ... it's just titles for marketing. We all know it won't be a new game, just a continuation of the TSW series
What does matter is that a new number comes with a price tag, whereas a decimal iteration is a free update.
Depends. Sometimes a new release makes is easier to move forward (eg drop old platforms or make new changes) but if a company botches a release and doesn’t make it decent by the next release (and TSW 3 is an example) then the usual course of action in the software industry is to make the upgrade free.
DTG shouldn't be rushing it because you will get constant crashes very early on making it unplayable. Sort of Like How Battlefield V was Unplayable in the first half of 2018 but became playable later on that year
