Current State Of The Game - No More Patches?

Just a quick one, as it would be nice to know what the plans are regarding patches. Everyone knows something big is coming soon, but does that mean that we will not see patches in August?

Glossop Line haven't received any patches, Class 700 is the same, and I know DTG promised some stopping board updates to SEHS (and there are other issues with the unit as well, like you cannot deactivate the overspeed warning).

Or everything is now pretty much deserted like before, and the team is only focusing on the new release?

(Forgot to mention Peak Forest, I think that route also haven't had any updates...)

 

You can imagine that if something big is coming up there is a deadline looming in the distance. Everybody will be working on making what is coming successful. I don't expect too much patches for the current game. Not saying there won't be any patches coming but I bet their Focus is now on the big reveal

 

They explicitly said that they would add the Class 700 stopping boards shortly after release. But they also said a few months before TSW3 that they'd focus on fixing the game. That didn't happen either.

 

I agree but I have to say a lot of old routes got a lot of improvements once we had gotten the next big thing now known as TSW3

 

I wouldn’t expect too many patches (if any) this month as it will be crunch time soon for the new content and inside DTG their focus will be very much on what’s coming up. There are many routes that have had patches that barely touched the surface on what really needed fixing and that is the DTG way.

Long version - You can go way back to the first loco bundle for TSW3 and see loco DLC that hasn’t had a patch and we still have the trains running without headlights on. I’ve been going on about that here and there for nearly a year, always worth a mention, will never be fixed as far as I can tell.

Everyone here will have similar stories about the bugs they have reported and are still waiting for a fix. There are some TSW2 players waiting for things that they were told were fixed over a year ago to actually release.

There was a feedback thread for add ons manager when it came to PS5 and nothing on that thread has even been acknowledged by DTG let alone fixed. All services still show the destination on the menu screen mini map when they should show the starting point, and that’s just one small point, but it’s one I’m reminded of every time I’m looking through a timetable for a service to drive.

And of course all the issues brought up about the TSW3 UI after it released have still not been addressed. Selected items are still greyed out and every single item, route or loco, is labelled NEW.

Short version - don’t expect any fixes for anything this month or any other month.

 

I fully agree with you, but that’s where the money is. DTG don’t get paid for patches I’m guessing?

 

I agree with every word you have written but I would suggest a nickname change to KillJoy

 

It is not just that it is the constant fobbing off with "its waiting for a suitable release window" which never comes. If we do indeed get TSW4 next month then its fairly obvious they will say oh well TSW2 is two iterations ago so we have to move on. Very poor conduct really and thats what undoes a lot of their good work. They fix a few things but then draw a line under it and move on.

Its hard to believe they scrapped the preservation crew whose work should have been expanded not deleted. Over time there will be more and more work to do to keep the huge library of items consistent, but here we see that isn't really what pays the bills so it all gets second place in the priority behind new paid content.

 

This is going to be the same as last year:
1) "We're going to focus on bug fixes for TSW2 during the summer, no new content"
2) "Oh look, TSW 3! But we promise TSW2 will still get patched"
3) "The patches are waiting for testing...suitable release window...almost there... etc etc."

As far as I know, those patches were never released for TSW2. If there is going to be a new release in the form of TSW4 or something like that, I fully expect the updates will be for that product ONLY and any promises for the old version will remain unfulfilled.

 

I’m surprised it’s taken this long for someone on this forum to make that joke with my name. It made me laugh. Nice one

 

There's going to be a lot of angry and disappointed people if TSW4 is released and the so called planned patch(es) for TSW2 never see the light of day and I wouldn't blame them either!

 

On the ambassador love stream with Alex and the British Ace when they did the 700 Alex was using a early access build with 700 sound fixes the stop boards what we was promised to I don't know why the haven't released the update yet even though we saw it in action.

 

If the same happened with tsw3, there would be some who would be rightfully pissed off. I've learned not to trust DTG until they actually deliver. They have no problem making a quick buck by sacrificing quality in the process. It's a shame

 

Ten isn't really a lot

 

10 people aren't playing tsw2. It's more than that

 

I do agree with the OP. PFR had one patch to quieten the safety valves on the 4F and hasn't had anything since. And that feedback thread I think it was JD who posted a list of the issues they were aware of.

Im not against new exciting content but there has to be some focus on current content. Tbf DTGs new content hasn't been too bad recently compared to the mess that is console MML. But when they say they're taking some time to focus on fixing stuff it'd be nice to see more fixes come out

Not to mention when they break SEHS they can turn around patches pretty quickly and put things into release slots. But as said TSW2 patches are still nowhere to be seen amongst other things? It does seem a little smoke and mirrors to me at times.

 

There's a lot of patches we need MML Edinburgh to Glasgow 700 New York to Trenton and some more.

 

Now see, happen there'll be a lot more than 10, I say a lot more than 10, Mr. Elliott

 

Oh for sure

But only 10 who care enough to be angry and disappointed

 

To whit (forgive my rusty SQL):

select from "TSW2 players" where (not ("owns tsw3")) AND ("reads tsw forums") AND ("is aware of supposed inbound tsw2 patch for last 12 months") and ("cares enough to post complaints about no patch turning up")
> results found: 10

 

There’s fixes needed going back to the G6 Journey scenario that can’t be completed. The empty stock move on Boston Sprinter that collides you with the carriage shed door if you follow the path designated. Various issues still outstanding with steam physics. Missing distant hills on Cajon and PFR. Frankly they need a full time department dealing with post release fixes and updates, oh hang on wasn’t that what the Preservation Crew was for?!

 

Well they do in term of reputation and future sales.

I have completely given up on TSW at this point due to all the bugs and issues. I used to buy routes that had potential, hoping that "surely they will get fixed later on with patches, right?", but the patches never come. Even if they come, most often they are simply not enough or even make things worse.

So my money goes elsewere for now. The game is full of unresolved issues, the selection is stale and boring, and the news of the upcoming "big thing", what seems to be TSW4, just point to an even worse future... I might return to TSW later on, when Union Workshop finally release their (hopefully) japanese routes, but until then, I cannot be bothered with TSW. It just doesn't worth it to pay for content that is full of issues and aren't even that exciting to me to begin with.

 

The Preservation Crew doesn't exist anymore. They cut them out after TSW 3 came out. The were changed to the special projects team.

 

And I'm curious about the QA " Czar " who was supposedly hired last year to sort out the problems in that department.

 

Preservation Crew have done nothing since.

 

I thought the Preservation Crew were relabelled the Special Projects Team ?

 

Yes I know. I was being ironic.

 

I really hope that DTG address at least some of this and don't just try and sweep the concerns under the rug and distract us with something new and shiny.

 

I’m not sure how I feel about the silence. Is it a case of;
It’s too quiet, something must be wrong or
Say nothing, don’t spoil the surprise ?
What ever it is I just hope it all works as it should, without the need for patches from day one.

 

If TSW4 is a reality in just over a month or so, then yeah, you can expect support for the previous iterations to dwindle away no matter what anyone promises. TSW2 is done and dusted, and quite frankly should be. TSW3 will be next year's TSW2 when it comes to unresolved issues. Even if DTG has the most sincere intentions, that's often the way it works with game companies. Best prepare for it now.

 

Same thing though and just a different name.

 

Get ready for things like the updated New York - Trenton timetable only releasing for TSW4...

 

This is exactly what I was going to ask about the New York-Trenton timetable update. I hope it has not been forgotten.

 

There are still patches in the works. The SteamDB dev and shipping builds are being updated regularly. Nothing really interesting from what I can tell yet as most are unnamed, but seems something coming for the Class 31?

 

Error: SQL Engine felt so sorry that it got sentient & decided to leak the patches to the victims

 

It's been said the 31 is being layered onto the JT route.

 

We've been here before...If TSW4 is indeed a reality; expect all the current items on the TSW3 roadmap to change to a TBA release date with priority given to releasing on "TSW4" first.

Fast forward to 12mths from now and they will most probably still be in TBA for TSW3

 

it’s an essential part to future sales and reputation

If reputation falls and a majority start to see nothing but issues and them not being fixed, then they will expect and see the same with new content. sales will drop for future content as those players don’t want to keep buying broken content.

for me theirs still outstanding issues for Luzern and Edinburgh Glasgow, so content made by their owners are off my shopping lists until i see it get fixed.

Due to other issues, I ain’t in any way looking for a new iteration “TSW4” so it also won’t be on my shopping list until such a time those issues aren’t issues.

 

I think if more people adopted that approach then over time DTG would have to start fixing things. Unfortunately, and I’m guilty of this with UK routes, people “see New” so people “want New”. I felt let down by MML and said I wouldn’t buy day one releases after that, but along came Glossop and in my basket it went!
I’m sure I’m not the only one who does this, and I know, I know, “ it’s my own fault” I need to be less hasty, but I just love trains.

 

At this point, it really begs to be compared to SimRail.

TSW is coming to its 4th iteration, broken more and more, in it just for the quick buck and leaving customers dissatisfied with false promises, glaring issues and sometimes possibly outright lies - they're not going two iterations back with fixes for TSW2 now, that's for sure. And since these big releases need to be planned well ahead, it had to be known for some time TSW2 fixes are binned.

SR, on the other hand, is still "stuck" on the initial route, but they're chucking in fixes, content, and functionalities without the customer having to pay extra. Really trying to polish the platform as a whole before moving on. If they keep it up, soon there will be very little keeping TSW ahead (if they even are).

 

The thing keeping TSW ahead, and will continue to keep TSW ahead is that Simrail is set in Poland. I have less than zero interest in the route, and in the trains. Until Simrail adds in a UK route with UK trains, or a US route with US trains, it might as well not exist for me, and I imagine quite a few people. It's features do seem somewhat interesting, and the devs seem decent. Although I have no interest in multiplayer so it's big draw does nothing for me.

The thing that brings me to TSW, is not just driving a train on a route. It's driving specific trains, on specific routes.

 

Very true. I have looked at SimRail briefly. Looked very impressive but when I bought TSW a few years ago the aspect that was appealing was all the different trains you get to drive. I'm more into collecting digital trains than the simulator part which SimRail seems to do good very well.

 

If that was the case, DTGs’ star would have fallen a long time ago. The infamous DTG wheel exists for a reason - it works - whether we like it or not.

How’s that console release coming along? Haven’t heard about that in a while.

 

if think it still is the case, it’s up to each one of us players when they tap out. The theory is there just don’t expect theory to be practical. They are other reasons that counter act it to make people stay, including and my self included continuing purchase when they are quite serious outstanding issues.

 

Yet they have Searchlight working on a US route for them already. My guess is that might release by the end of the year.

 

Sand Patch also took years to get to consoles, didn't it? And we're still talking early access title. It might go bad, it might go wrong, I just compare it as it is now.

 

TSW2 American starter route for console is the first release.

 

Yeah... TSW2... by that time, the route was already 3.5 years old.

 

I don’t disagree with you. It’s just that for as long as I’ve been part of this community, I’ve seen people predict the downfall of DTG for these reasons (lack of quality, rushing, customer dissatisfaction, …) yet nothing ever comes of it. I have no interest in DTG failing, quite the opposite. DTGs’ business model doesn’t seem to be their downfall if it still works well after a decade or so.

Nobody knows what’ll happen. However, unless Simrail comes to consoles, it’ll never be competition to TSW (we’re still taking about ~66% of sales). I’d welcome Simrail and the competition it would bring (though I don’t know what all that multiplayer hullabaloo is about). It sounds promising, but unfortunately, so do many early access titles.